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I cannot imagine how some fanboys can't accept the fact that batman is a good character but he is nothing against shang chi. Even a god like ares said that shang chi was the only mortal who could easily defeat a god without magic. He can control hi chi and shang chi has mastery over the 10 rings style. Batman is just a richboy running in leotards because someone killed his parents in a coty where every second person is insane.

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Superman fanboys are so jealous of any hero who can possibly beat him. Superman's speed is used as an argument in every debate. You forget though Batman has himself stated that firestorm can defeat superman easily. He can even emit the radiations at the level of kryptonite. Speed wouldn't matter in that case.

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@edgelord91: actually you said the real world. I told you even if his heart is made of pure rubber, it would implode because it would need a larger chest cavity or it would be impaled by one of his rib bones. Secondly, lucci never said his heart will not implode. He specifically said it will put a lot of strain on his heart. The stamina and nutrients you are talking about are only to be concerned with if luffy is in a longer battle. In a shorter battle, he will destroy anybody with a single blow. Like I said, EVEN IF YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT SECOND GEAR, luffy's haki will destroy spidey. It's stronger than his spider senses in case of observation, its hard in case of hardening and if luffy goes directly snakeman, spiderman will be destroyed completely. The advance haki luffy has now, is the same but only a little weaker than roger or wb themselves. That is the only reason why his hits on kaido really beat the cr*p out of him. Read the manga bro. Luffy is strong enough to fight the yonkos and spidey can't even fight a warlord like doflamingo.

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@carlator1: that only happens when banner or hulk entirely give up. Which is only one of the many possible cases. If superman even uses his heat vision once, he will only irradiate the gamma levels in Banner and make him even stronger. Even if he freezes the hulk, the only thing that will happen is the hulk will break it off. Hulk will become stronger with every blow while supes won't. Hulk is planetary already. Supes will only end up making him universal. Which has happened many times before.

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What you are forgetting my friend is the fact that his whole body is like rubber. Even his arteries can be used like rubber. You are using the enies lobby argument but you are conveniently forgetting that Luffy said he can't maintain the form for long because that will make his heart implode. That is not because of the arteries but because of the fact that his blood will be pumping into the heart at a much faster rate. So even if he can go for 5 mins in second gear, spidey is done for. Even if he can't, spidey doesn't posses haki bro. He can harden any part of his body and punch spidey's head off with the advanced ryuo he has now.

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@carlator1: bro if hulk is getting angrier, no way banner is coming

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1. Superman can speedblitz and destroy hulk but Hulk has one of the most powerful regeneration in the world. His regeneration is even better than logan himself. Everytime he is destroyed he will get angry and with more anger will come a hulk very very powerful.

2. There is no way that hulk will be destroyed, the only way will be to destroy hulk from existence using reality stone or some other reality altering material.

3. At some point, hulk will get stronger and faster enough to see and dodge superman.

4. The only way superman wins is if he goes and takes a dip in the sun and I don't think he will do it instantly, giving hulk enough power to hold him

5. This is Bruce Banner/hulk we're talking about. He has NO upper limits. People here who are saying hulk is weaker than doomsday don't get it, even if doomsday knocks him out cold once or twice, hulk will definitely tear him apart the next time.

This is the same guy who got powerful enough to make his mind travel through time and multiverse, the same guy who can break a planet with a single fist and the same guy who can create his own oxygen in vacuum. You need to understand that superman cannot breathe in vacuum, no one can. He can just travel through galaxies in mere seconds but if this is a FIGHT, running away would never be an option to end it. Superman is way stronger than hulk, HANDS DOWN but hulk has no upper limit. He gets stronger. The only way I see superman winning is the reality altering version.

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Johnny definitely burns brighter as he can go to supernova level too but ace had haki although we never witnessed it. He could have easily killed Johnny.

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Goku can react faster than anyone right now in the manga, he also can use hakai, on the other hand, luffy has just achieved *spoiler* ryou and advanced color of observation haki. Still, luffy couldn't dodge a hit from Big Mom who is at her best, a raging lunatic. She might be even god level like kaido because of her powers, that is what people don't see. Coming back to the original post, if you asked the biased me, I will say Luffy, although we all know it's Goku for now. Until and unless luffy awakens his devil fruit, he will never be a match for someone like goku. MUI is not just predicting the flow of the fight, MUI is literally reacting at the speed which is inconceivable to people. Jiren and goku were so fast that nobody could even see them anymore. Any science or engineering grad can tell you that means they are reacting and fighting and at speed higher than the speed of sound and maybe even at mach 10 or more. Luffy can come near that once he perfects snake man but without haki he will never even phase goku. So let's wait and watch but this bout goes to goku.

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Most of the people base their argument on Trigon being able to beat superman while superman has on multiple occasions beaten up Darkseid. However, I think that is not a very good point. I still feel like trigon will be defeated in this case because of the omega beams. If not, what is the argument against that?

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