hulkbuster94

@kgb725: how aren't the sabre duels in the prequels realistic? Watch the behind the scenes training for them the actors themselves performed the duels. The only part cgi was used was for example when they do the mad flips well apart from Ray Park as darth maul. but the sabre combat was all done by the actors like the duel between obi wan and anakin, the fuel between maul and obi wan. The duels in the new one aren't really realistic just that Disney don't really have much idea about the way lucas wanted the duels to be portrayed.or anything about light sabres or the force in general. The reason obi wan and darth vaders duel was slow in a new hope was because alec guiness was old and due to the light sabres being easy to break it suited those films but he wanted actual faster paced combat as the jedi and sith are basically super human.

Maul wins all 3 defeating qui gon jinn, and losing to obi wan through plot is better than anything ren has done. Hell ren gets stomped by rey who has no training.

Ends in hello there.

The clones purge these jokers for the Republic.

People trying to compare the fight that obi wan had with maul to the fight he had with jango they both have different context. In the phantom menace obi just watched his. Mentor being slain by Maul which unleashed a bit of anger, whilst in his fight with jango the 10 years between tpm and attack of the clones he had become more wise and composed. Jango was also not taking any chances with a well known master jedi. Hence why he had boba firing blasts from his ship, and also keeping obi's lightsabre away from the fight as much as possible. Had obi wan fought with the intensity he had in his fight with darth maul in the fight against jango he probably would have won it faster. But it genuinely seemed like he wanted to question fett rather than out right kick his butt.

Jango gets another force user notch in his c.v kylo was getting given a run for his money by finn. jango went toe to toe with obi wan, he also slays that jedi in attack of the clones, then you have the bounty hunter game where he slays a sith apprentice to become a subject for the clones. Sure he lost against mace windu,who happens to be probably the best sabre user in the clone wars apart from maybe yoda. Kylo also got owned by rey who never even used a lightsabre in her life. So jango stomps handily.

Slaying 5 jedi counts for more than a character who gets stomped most of the time he is on screen.

Snoke has next to no feats, obi wan isn't the most powerful jedi in terms of the force, but as a sabre combatant is really awesome his only defeat in the movies came at the hands of dooku who knew how to combat his more defensive style. Kylo and rey are fodder. Kylo got given a run for his money by a garbage pushing storm trooper in the force awakens, rey is at most a plot device, and gets whooped by obi for not being trained by anyone. I mean kylo should be over rey in terms of combat as he was actually trained slightly but quit it to become a whiny wannabe sith. Which is frankly insulting.

The reason qui gon lost so much stamina was his light sabre style is a far more aggressive one. Obi wan for example fought with more rage in the phantom menace, by attack of the clones he had more of a composed style with soresu which is purely defensive. Which would have suited jinn more due to him being out of his prime. I still believe that jinn would take it handily as luke again I've seen the films I've not gotten around to reading the books,there is no way luke from any of the original films is on par with anakins dueling ability from revenge of the sith. Sure attack of the clones maybe, but by the third film he out right destroyed one of the best sabre duelists in his time apart from windu, yoda, and palpatine. Lukes one and only chance in this fight is if he happens to catch a lucky strike which is unlikely. as qui gon will press hard on offence and leave luke to play defensive and once there is an opening qui gon takes luke out. I'm more impressed with jinns fights against darth maul, than lukes fights against vader. Maul had a lot to prove, whilst vader when he got serious in empire lopped luke's hand off. Even return of the jedi vader after their chat before entering the throne room was conflicted about fighting his son and probably held Back a whole lot more.

Jinn stomps. Original trilogy luke had little to no training apart from his segment with obi wan, and the part where yoda had him doing flips. Qui gon has a more offensive style which was his downfall against maul in the phantom menace. Luke in empire was getting knocked around with large dodgeable metal objects showing his reactions weren't the greatest. Qui gon may be a mid tier combatant but he was more impressive in his two fights against darth maul than luke was in his fights against vader. Reason being was that due to his lack of training, and vader trying to turn him to the sith and wanting his son to join him in over throwing palpatine showed that darth was holding back in his fight against luke.

I still don't get the hatred the prequels gather. I grew up watching the original trilogy and the prequels just watched the prequel trilogy in the last 3 days again and I still hold that opinion. Sure some of the dialogue could have been better but they actually feel like star wars movies.and everything plays out brilliantly for example anakins fall to the darkside etc. Out of the new films I've only seen the force awakens, solo, and rogue one. Seen the throne room duel from a clip on YouTube and the fight choreography is just flat out terrible. Force awakens was okay but nothing special, the new characters could have been written so much better. Rey for example is force sensitive to my knowledge, but still doesn't mean that she doesn't need to be trained. Anakin had a higher midichlorian count than that of yoda and all the other jedi masters, but he still had to be trained in the ways of sabre combat and ways of the force. Being force sensitive just means that they have greater potential and could become really powerful not that they don't need to be trained at all. It is totally true that Disney just don't seem to understand anything about star wars in the slightest. That being said the new mandalorian show looks good which I'm hoping is.