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He wouldn't win but he would give Sidious some difficulty, and certainly 'compete.'

Seriously doubt it, Anakin would get fisto'd most likely when the gloves came off.

Yoda is Palpatine's equal, so no, Yoda would also be strained to defeat Anakin.

In regards to dueling I have reasonable suspicion to believe otherwise, in the movie Yoda was shown to have a more favorable advantage before he lost his saber and they blew each other back. In the Jr novel and script Yoda disarmed Sidious. Which would mean this is twice he has been disarmed.

Yes, but that does not equate to instant domination.

It does when Mace fights on a completely different level than Dooku.

Did you actually watch the movie?

Yup, however Shatterpoint is a good read.

Dooku ran because the clones were overwhelming the droids.

In the comic he also blatantly avoided Mace and was utterly speechless in the novel when Mace destroyed Jango:

I looked at Jango Fett on the sand in the Geonosian arena. A perfect combination of weapons, skills, and the will to use them: an interlocking crystal of killer. The Force hinted a shatterpoint, and I left a headless corpse on the sand. The deadliest man in the galaxy. Now: just dead.

Dooku wants no problems with Mace, especially when he thinks hes one of the greatest threats to the galaxy.

Spreading this nonsense on Comic Vine will end in complete failure. Try the YouTube community, where casual movie-goers might actually believe you.

Too bad im not refrencing the movie (where Mace again CLEARLY had the upperhand), anyone who actually reads the novel and doesnt worship sidious blindly would agree with me:

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear. Easily, almost effortlessly, he turned the shadow's fear into a weapon: he angled the battle to bring them both out onto the window ledge. Out in the wind. Out with the lightning. Out on a rain-slicked ledge above a half-kilometer drop. Out where the shadow's fear made it hesitate. Out where the shadow's fear turned some of its Force-powered speed into a Force-powered grip on the slippery permacrete. Out where Mace could flick his blade in one precise arc and slash the shadow's lightsaber in half.

The cleanest Disarm in the entire EU along with one of the most embarrassing. Mace legitimately outskilled him here, him taking his attention to Anakin's shatterpoint was a distraction for Mace.

Fighting to an impasse with Palpatine with a set of favorable circumstances only to disarm him by drawing on Anakin's fear is certainly not better than stomping Dooku.

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LOL, this is absolutely hilarious seeing as Yoda stomped dooku as well (you can pull that one source where its described as hotly contested, ill come with several more that state otherwise) but lets go along with the fairytale that Stomping Dooku > Going blade-to-blade with the granddaddy sith for a second...... Mace legitimately proved to be his better in sabers, he wasnt even tired while Sidious was:

One piece flipped back in through the cut-open window. The other tumbled from opening fingers, bounced on the ledge, and fell through the rain toward the distant alleys below. Now the shadow was only Palpatine: old and shrunken, thinning hair bleached white by time and care, face lined with exhaustion.

Mace was putting so much pressure on the emperor with Vaapad that he didnt have time to force abuse, and when he did get off a force push he was all over him again litterally an instant later:

Mace disengaged from the shadow's blade and leapt for the window; he slashed away the transparisteel with a single flourish. His instant's distraction cost him: a dark surge of the Force nearly blew him right out of the gap he had just cut. Only a desperate Force-push of his own altered his path enough that he slammed into a stanchion instead of plunging half a kilometer from the ledge outside. He bounced off and the Force cleared his head and once again he gave himself to Vaapad.

After this is where he disarms sheev btw. Not to mention Mace kept up this force speed in this duel effortlessly, and subconsciously:

Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift. The fighting was effortless for him now; he let his body handle it without the intervention of his mind. While his blade spun and crackled, while his feet slid and his weight shifted and his shoulders turned in precise curves of their own direction, his mind slid along the circuit of dark power, tracing it back to its limitless source. Feeling for its shatterpoint. He found a knot of fault lines in the shadow's future; he chose the largest fracture and followed it back to the here and the now—

Which now brings us back to square one where Anakin couldnt even see what was going on and the sheer way he described it in the force seemed like something he wanted no part of either:

Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

Maces disarming of sidious and quite frankly embarrasing him in a duel is IRREFUTABLY better than stomping dooku. And yes, effortlessly matching someone, disarming them, and reflecting their full determination to make you no more all while taunting them at the end is embarrassing. Thats like saying Lebron facializing Lopez wasnt embarassing when he just did a grown man move and straightup posterized him.

This was one of the best duels in the entirety of the EU (top 3, i personally like Jaina vs Caedus aswell but thats just me) nothing Dooku has ever done compares to it.

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Composite goku is so broken.....Clones, matter manip, doesnt need a physical body to exist, etc.... the budokai series had more toonforce than the entirety of dragon ball

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Hal aint even touching Alan, quasar puts up a smidgen of a fight but gets dominated in a much less embarrassing fashion.

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@anonymousjedi: Saying Zonakin is 'tiers' above Mace as a combatant is a laughable notion tbh.

1. Zonakin would not win or even compete for long in a duel with Sidious and would get made into confetti by Yoda, as per legends (inB4MaceLvlAhsoka).

2. Zonakin is the utter most perfect being for Vaapad to reflect:

Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being. Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center—

And let it fountain out again. He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt.

3. Could one not argue a style advantage in Mace against Dooku? The count physically is below Mace so if it becomes a test of speed and physicality(which most likely it will with two more offensive oriented combatants) he does indeed dominate.

4. Dooku saw what Mace did to Jango and wanted none of it so he ran.

5. Disarming sheev, handily > Stomping Dooku.

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Kakashi handily.

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@hope_w: But you know, Vaapad isn't always used like that, it's usage in of itself was situational in that instance. This process didn't occur when he fought Sora Bulq, it didn't occur when he fought Maul, it didn't occur when he fought Dooku and it didn't occur when he fought Kar Vastor, despite all of these people being proficient dark side users.

Mace had no restraint in his duel with Sidious, he was no longer aiming to arrest him but rid his existence from the galaxy once and for all. He has NEVER aimed to outright kill his opponent rather than to bring about peace, Mace absolutely baptized himself in Vaapad and was going after Sidious' shatterpoint with what Anakin could only describe as killing energy in the force as he faded in and out of existence.

Its like saying an S class Mercedes wouldnt get dominated by a CTSV in sportsmode, its untrue in every facet.

If you genuinely think Mace can 'dominate' Dooku, I don't know what to tell you

Why cant Mace legitimately Dominate Dooku in sabers? I mean appearing to be phasing out of existence to the guy that in turn already dominated you, reflecting the emperors full hatred back at him, and having a dream of oneshotting said guy only for him to then avoid confrontation then blatantly run away from you; spells something for me.

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LOL @ Hulk losing to WW; PC or otherwise and Thor not being able to pull 4 out of 10. This is next level ridiculous.

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@hittheassasin: there are many debatable aspects about the duel however, Vaapads reflective powers are irrefutable:

Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being. Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center—

And let it fountain out again. He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt.

Yoda was also dominating in the dueling aspect, which is why sheev didnt hesitste with lightning.

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@hittheassasin: Mace reflected the emperors power back onto him and legitimately bested him. I dont view his mindstate as an amp at all really, the context in which the duel was described just shows Mace absolutely fighting with everything in him and it was still not enough. You could Say Vaapad is a supplement to an amplification but its no reason he wouldnt be able to do the same here, especially against Vader.