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Can either of you please refer me to the quote which disregards the novels, I'm interested to see it and can't seem to find it

Thanks

I thought the novelisations of episodes 1-6 were Canon. Are there no Canonical novelisations of the Episodes 1-6?

I know that the Junior Novelisations are listed as Canon

I'd also like to add that Qui-Gon interests me as he is described in The Phantom Menace novelisation as:

'one of the most able swordsmen in the Jedi order. The Jedi Master he had trained under had considered him one of the best the Master had taught in his more than four hundred years in the order'

An accolade such as this is rather impressive, yet Qui Gon never seems to win in any of the threats that I see on this and other forums, which is something that interests me

I don't believe there is a canon explanation for this, or are we to infer that he has atrophied over his years in service to the jedi?

This battle is CANON only

@noone1996: Perhaps I am overthinking, but I believe it best to avoid any lack of clarity before making a decision

Like I said, my forte is Star Wars not Ironman or Marvel. And as much as I like to view things objectively its still painful to see iconic SW characters such as Vader being unintentionally mismatched so often. Usually I stay out of any debates regarding Star Wars vs (other), due to my lack of knowledge in anything that isn't Star Wars or DC Comics, but wanted to know the details of Ironman's telekinetic countermeasures. Especially after reading through at least 10 other Vader vs Ironman threads!

I wasn't aware of internal countermeasures or "dampers" within Ironman's suit capable of circumventing internal telekinetic assault so thanks for clearing that up, interesting...

@noone1996: Thanks, this is interesting. I see that the Suit does indeed have some protection against internal assault

However, its important possibly to distinguish between Jean Grey's method of assault and the method of assault likely adopted by Vader, or any Star Wars telekinetic:

(1) In this specific example Jean Grey's telekinesis was an attack on his brain, in an attempt to "fry" his brain, which may be sufficiently distinct from a telekinetic assault applying offensive pressure to Tony's skull, brain, throat etc.

(2) "frying" someones brain connotes more an attack on his synapses and electrical impulses within his brain so as to "fry" it, meaning to shut down the brain or limit cranial activity as opposed to offensively crushing it. Frying a brain would require a far more complex process and would give Ironman and indeed his suit enough time to combat it, as his suit did in the given example

(3) However, Vader wouldn't use such a method. He would instead, likely very quickly, crush Tony's throat, irreparably destroying his tracheal cartilage and killing him. Would this not be sufficiently distinct from a cerebral attack (as evidenced in your source) as to possibly suggest that Vader could crush Tony's throat? Indeed, the suit may prevent cerebral attacks but would it safeguard against an internal pressure or the crushing of ones throat (applied with enough force to crush an ATAT)?

(4) In such a quick and ruthless manner, Tony and his suit would not be given the luxury to react in time as he did against Grey, whose assault required a much more lengthy application to truly damage Tony or indeed kill him.

I understand that, if Vader could not do this, Tony would certainly solo, as you have said earlier, but I just wanted to make sure you weren't writing Vader off so quickly without properly considering this aspect of Ironman's suit and whether it is sufficiently protected

I personally think it could be argued either way given the distinction between the nature of the sources TK attack and Vader's chosen method of telekinetic assault (unless there are other sources you have come across which more obviously support the notion that Vader could not kill Tony instantly through the aforementioned means)

Sorry if my post is a bit "wordy" and formal lol, I just notice a lot of "debates" on these forums turn into arguments very quickly (hence why I stopped posting so often), and just wanted to make sure this topic was discussed reasonably and objectively without any bias (as it should be on these forums)

What are your thoughts on this, and are there any other Ironman sources which indicate defence against offensive attacks inflicting internal bodily harm as opposed to cerebral damage?

@noone1996: So, I haven't posted on this forum for over a year, but I am seriously confused about something, so I feel compelled to post to try have clarity on something

My expertise is Star Wars, namely Star Wars Canon. When it comes to Ironman, I am aware of his feats in the MCU but other than sources you and others on this forums have posted previously, I am not well versed in Ironman as per the comics.

In a combat situation, I completely agree that Ironman's speed alone attains him the victory 100% of the time in an engagement with Vader, whether it be EU or Canon Vader. However, you posted previously that Vader couldn't crush Ironman's suit (which I completely agree with), thereby making offensive telekinetic assault completely invalid, as per your previous substantiating feat:

However, my main question is: Does Ironman's suit prevent his body and organs, within the suit, from telekinetic attack or just the armour itself? If it is the case that it does not grant TK protection to Tony's body and internal organs, whats to stop Vader crushing the cartilage in Tonys throat? Vader has the capacity to effortlessly crush an ATAT and pull down an entire factory with ease, so his ability to completely crush or disintegrate a human throat isn't in question.

Thanks in advance for clarification, just want to know the details of Tony's telekinetic protection and whether it protects from internal as well as external assault, as if it doesn't prevent internal TK assault, Ironman may have a problem unless he blitzes Vader instantly

Team 2 every time...

@sirfizzwhizz said:

Is there much difference?

If so, I'll edit the OP and have Round 1 as Padawan Barriss and Round 2 as Dark Jedi...

Callouts:

@shootingnova@thevivas@wollfmyth209@jkbart@wollfmyth@darkdefender@burnface@brightsteel@zaluk@juiceboks@sirfizzwhizz@themuser@silentbat@killerwasp@bat_siri@emperordmb@nfactor1995@echostarlord117@silver2467@jedixman

If you don't want to be called out anymore or would like to be added to my callout list just mention in the comments

Or, if you prefer/dislike certain battles i.e. Canon, Legends, Prequel, Original, Sith etc... make sure to mention and I'll alter my callout list accordingly with regard to specific threads

Thanks,

H24