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@fodigg said:

I can't even imagine what some of the sci-fi writers I enjoy would do with Superman. Richard K. Morgan's take alone would be bananas.

Of course it would be. Most Sci-Fi writers aren't "open minded" enough to write decent Superhero tales, funnily enough.

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@jphulk26 said:

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Making characters who are established as straight and turning them gay is ridiculous. It pisses off fans and I know a lot of gay people who find that stuff offensive. If companies want more gay characters they should create new ones.

I´ve always thought wonder woman was bisexual and that should be explored.

Well, of course you'd think that. You also think paper is food.

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Perez: Amazons alive & contributing

Azzarello: Amazons demonized & gone

Perez: Diana youthful & happy w/humans

Azzarello: Diana hardened with one human only, ever

Perez: fully, fleshed recognizable foes- attractive god & non gods

Azzarello: one dimensional foes-- deceptive, angry gods and no non gods

Perez: a theme about a woman not trying to be a male demi-god or macho hero but full of faith and wonder who motivates other male and female characters to face their demons/self images and/or be better.

Azzarello: theme(used loosely) of a woman warrior hardened by something who is ready to fight/strike/kill anyone on her sole life function to save one mother and child.

Perez: Mission of peace, truth and love.

Azzarello: Mission to arm up and kick anyone's tail.

Perez: Aged Steve and Etta, excluded campy items, allowed a young girl crush on Superman based on his image alone, excluded secret identity separating and elevating her from most counterparts, kept costume, lasso, optimism and gentle but strong woman.

Azzarello: no place for Steve or outside DC world, changed costume, added abrasive attitude, excludes optimism, wisdom, and integrity of a true hero not to kill as an ends to a means.

Perez: Told more than five complete stories with contained adventures with clear beginning, middle, and end; explored Diana's thoughts, emotions and human qualities; showed her less easy to anger and violence, showed people awed by WW; respected elements of her past incarnation while spinning new elements still used.

Azzarello: unresolved story going over tow years, no exploration of Diana's overall goals, feelings, life outside of fighting gods, easy to anger or fight, no respect for established iconic elements, the general public has almost no positive reaction to this character other than getting out of her way as she fights, and spinning a tale so long and involved a new reader may be deterred to start in the middle.

WW has won decisive battles and triumphed for years with just bracelets, a lasso and a tiara. She didn't need a sword like a knight or pirate. She didn't need to Hulk out or go into a Wolverine berserker rage. Perez got that and used mostly those items and power of her character to create situations that played to why she was not Wolverine, Hulk, Batman, Hawkman or anyone but a unique hero by her own individual standards.

Perez: wrote Wonder Woman

Azzarello: writes a female warrior out of Conan.

Perez deconstructed and rebuilt a fine engine of iconic image.

Azzarello has borrowed and dogged a classic car with people cheering at his drag race performance.

Brah, if I was a woman, I'd want to have your baby.

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@jphulk26 said:

I don´t think people complaining about Azzerrelo are complaining about it being too dark and edgy, we´re complaining about it not being WW. I was actually looking forward to a darker more mature take on wonder woman, especially her villains. It would be great to see an edgier version of Ares, or Dr. Psycho, or Dr. Poison, or Alkyone. The problem with the current run on wonder woman is it isn´t wonder woman and I have heard no argument to convince me that it is.

I personally have always seen Wonder Woman´s mythology as dark, even in the Marston version there were very adult themes, which are yet to be explored to the fullest. Obviously much earlier publications and the Lynda Carter show were alot more family friendly, but in recent years wonder woman has turned to a grittier character. For me the most gritty and best run was Greg Rucka, but the difference is he kept the integrity of the character and her mythology, which made it all the more interesting.

Well...a more mature version at least. Darker doesn't really equate to mature in all instances from experiences.