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#1  Edited By Hellespont

@lightingjack: Yes only Jason can transmute organic matter. I believe this was stated in Firestorm issue 12 when Jason atomized a group of multiplex clones and Ronnie (who was inside the Firestorm matrix) commented that he was impressed with Jason being able to do things he never could.

Oh and Deathstorm can as well if you want to count him.

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@lightingjack: Depends on which Firestorm were talking about. If it's Ronnie, he can't transmute organic matter and your statement wouldn't apply.

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@scarlet_wiccan: @marveld2: How on earth do you guys both post so fast...... LOL...

I have other CaVs to attend to and since Marveld is taking a break from CV anyways, I will be a little while respond. But it’s coming don’t worry.

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Firestorm,"The Nuclear Man"

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One fateful day teenage Ronnie Raymond and physicist Martin Stein found themselves in the middle of an experiment gone wrong. The two were pulled into what is known as the Firestorm-Matrix and fused into a composite being; the nuclear powered superhero Firestorm! Since then many have dawned the Firestorm mantle and wielded the powers of the Firestorm-Matrix against the forces of evil. - [More here.]

Power-set:

  • Superhuman strength, speed, and durability
  • Flight
  • Energy manipulation, projection, and absorption
  • Matter / molecule manipulation
  • Electromagnetic-spectrum manipulation
  • Temperature manipulation
  • Element manipulation
  • Size changing
  • Precognition
  • Intangibility
  • Portal creation
  • Enhanced vision

Not all of these abilities are commonly used or particularly relevant, but it still goes to showcase the Swiss-army knife that is this character.

Initial Battle Analysis

Foreword

Honestly, I am expecting an uphill battle here. Given Hal's sheer number of feats, popularity, etc. Winning a debate against him is bound to be an arduous task. That said however, I adamantly believe Firestorm is the perfect man for the job. To make this case, I am going to argue Firestorm's victory from the following three premises:

  1. Firestorm can keep up physically.
  2. Firestorm's firepower is superior.
  3. Firestorm is more versatile.

What these points will serve to do is 1) Keep Firestorm in the fight by tanking & evading hits. 2) Put Hal down with energy blasts. 3) Over come any circumstances of the battle with his multitude of powers. Thus conducing a victory. Now all I have to do is prove it...

Premise 1: Physicals

Unfortunately due to the diversity of his powers and the nature of his combat style (he isn't much of a brawler), Firestorm's physical prowess is often overlooked. It is because of this under appreciation that I would like to make it known that Firestorm rarely brawls because he doesn't need to, not because he is incapable. To substantiate my point here's an encounter between Firestorm and the new god Kalibak:

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This confrontation is from Firestorm #35, where it is expressly stated that Kalibak's powers were previously amplified by Darkseid. They were amplified so greatly that in the same issue Kalibak stomped and one-shot Scott Free and Orion:

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For those unaware, Orion has traded blows with (and often bested) Superman. Yet, Orion gets his punch blocked, his arm broken, and KO'd for the remainder of the issue. Now compare this to Firestorm, who tanked repeated blows, took a skyscraper to the face, and dealt damage with his counter punches. In this instance, Firestorm's hand to hand prowess dwarfed the best of the new gods.

Now, can Firestorm beat Hal purely hand to hand? I am not sure Firestorm has enough on panel brawls to make that claim. Here's what I can say though:

I think we can agree this battle is likely to play out as a long range fire fight. But if a close range scuffle does break out, his battle against Kalibak alone solidifies that Firestorm has enough durability to tank the best of what Hal's constructs have to offer, and has the skill/ striking to effectively counter.

Premise 2: Firepower

As the "nuclear powered man" this is Firestorm's forte. There is no chance Hal can take more than a small handful of direct blasts and stay conscious.

For starters, remember that fight with the absurdly amped, Orion stomping, Kalibak? Well when Firestorm decided to stop brawling and just nuke him... This happened...

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Which one-shot him.

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In fact, Firestorm has quite the long history of one hit KOing powerhouse opponents. Like Black Adam. Who was put down as a bi-product of an AOE attack.

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* If your worried about the context of the scan, that "charge" he got, wasn't amplifying his power in any way. It was just tapping into power that Jason (the newbie Firestorm at the time) wasn't utilizing. It's from Firestorm #17.

Since I doubt you can argue that Hal's durability substantially dwarfs Kalibak and Black Adam's, these blasts will be lethal.

Premise 3: Versatility

Anyone would be hard pressed to find a guy more versatile than Hal Jordan, who can conjure up anything he can imagine... Unfortunately for you, you're matched up against that guy. Firestorm is the more versatile by many orders of magnitude, which is saying something when your being compared to Hal J.

See Firestorm can similarly create anything he can imagine. The only difference is it isn't an energy construct. It is the real object. Created by rearranging the molecules of his surroundings, manipulating the matter into whatever he wants. For example, he can transmute a missile into a Rubix Cube, the Eiffel Tower into rose petals, humans into water vapor, and even thin air into a fan, a warship, and a living Dragon:

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Pretty insane, I know. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. This is a list/feats of some of his other abilities that I think could be useful in this battle.

1. Intangibility: To avoid damage and bypass your shields/ constructs.

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Firestorm can phase through matter. Which has already been proven to be able to bypass Hal's constructs by Martian Manhunter in both the Blackest Night arc and JLA: Year One #8.

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2. Temperature manipulation: As a means of attack.

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The most notable facet of Firestorm's temperature manipulation, is his ability to generate absolute zero (while on the surface of the sun). I am well aware Hal is no stranger to the cold temperatures of space, but absolute zero is a bit different. It is the lowest temperature on the thermodynamic scale, so cold that all molecular motion ceases. This is the same temperatures that Captain Cold uses to wound Kryptonians and freeze speedsters dead in their tracks. Unless you have specific feats against temperatures of this degree, I think it could do a number on Hal.

3. Energy absorption / redirection: To nullify your offensive power.

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From ground zero of a nuclear explosion, Firestorm drains all the bombs energy, preventing any casualties. This could serve to minimize Hal's offense.

4. Shields: For defense.

Hal's not the only one with potent shields. For example, Firestorm has rendered a combined attack from Killer Frost and Dr. Light void with a shield. When in the same story, Dr. Light dropped Superman out of the sky with a single energy blast.

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Note: This is also Firestorm immediately following being injected with Joker Venom and getting hospitalized.

In Closing

Whilst often underrated, Firestorm is a beast, more than capable of claiming a victory over Hal Jordan. He has the stats, the power, and the versatility to prove it. With that said. Over to you bro! I'm excited to see what you've got in store.

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@destinyman75: I’m curious as to why you think round 4 and 5 are tougher than Thanos.

On topic: I’d say stops at 4.