Heart of Infinity

Methos says:

"The_Creator says:

"And Thanos chose to end half the life in the universe with the click of his fingers which he did, all to impress Death. Since the infinity gems predate the known universe (Eternity) then should they not superceed any control powers she might possess. Thanos was faced by the majority of the Marvel Cosmic entity club (Celestials, galactus etc) and defeated them without hardly a thought. He could have collapsed the entire universe should he have choose to."

The Gem's predate the universe... How? seriously... how? how can something actually predate creation? that's not just illogical and unreasonable... it's ***stupid*** M"

Ok I shall clarify. The gems used to be apart of a high being called Nemisis. He was the only being in existance but he got lonely. He decided to destroy himself and it created a big bang. Technically Nemisis didn't die he scathered his essence into the infinity gems each one with a portion of his power.

White crown pheonix is powerful but i dont think she can match Thanos power. She could really go back into time to stop him because Thanos exist outside the time stream when he has the gems.

I dont see white crown pheonix having mastery over the same areas as thanos would with the gems and that covers just about every area

The next cool battle would be Thanos with the Heart of the Unvirse vs the One Above all =p

See Eternity may take notice of white crown pheonix but everyone including eternity banded together to fight thanos at once

Black Adam. Maybe if you somehow combined all three of their powers but even then I think Black Adam will still be significantly faster

Omnus says:

"Well how about the last depicted scene where the Hulk comes back from the whisper and pounces on BB and busts him up before he can even open his mouth. If BB underestimated the Hulk, whose fault is it? Doesn't that justify the Hulk winning especially when a single punch of this Hulk could actually kill BB."

They dont show him busting BB up if i can remeber clearly

Gambler says:

"Forever says:

"Great thread. While Buckshot doesnt need to see anyone lift that much weight to enjoy the story, Creator rightfully brings up that many characters have been shown to lift weights along the level that you are mentioning and Valkaad is worried about the physical structure of the individual lifting the weight, I'm worried about the thing being lifted itself. To put that much strain on such a small fulcrum (only where the character's hands touch) would seem to be too much for the structure lifted. Maybe a space ship made with exotic materials to withstand intense pressure from gravity wells, but even a battleship or aircraft carrier would probably crack if you tried to support it's weight on so small a portion of it. I have no problem with them lifting that much weight, only with what they lift to display that strength. Heart of Infinity says:

"Good point. I think marvels official ratings are stupid. They say 100 plus for some characters who can lift thousands. Its like 100 is some magical rule for marvel not to rate past besides putting a plus over it. I guess its to keep you guessing or something of that nature maybe they do this when we have spiderman who can lift 25 tons and Hulk who could lift 100 plus. If we put hulks real rating lets say its the same as supermans 2500 then it would make spiderman look very bad. Its just a theory it may not be the real reason"

Think of it another way. Marvel is writing this up as if someone has been studying these characters and measuring their abilities. Some group, perhaps S.H.I.E.L.D. tests the characters whenever they can. How much weight do you think they have on their military press? 100,000 tons? 200 quintillion? It makes much more sense that the cutoff would be some reasonable weight and in this way the writers dont paint themselves into a corner when they want a character who has been listed to be able to lift 50,000 tons to lift a 100,000 ton helicarrier. Besides this is also what DC does in the way that they dont actually list an amount that their characters can lift."

Great post."

agreed I liked his explination of the writers not painting themselves into a corner. It seems to make sense

MotorSteel says:

"Legendary Bio Vishanti says:

"MotorSteel says:

"Legendary Bio Vishanti says:

"Goku IT's Supes into the middle of a large planet and then destroys the planet with an SSJ4 level Kamehameha."

You are made of fail logic. Failures: 1. Goku can't breath in Space 2. Goku can't catch up to superman because he's way to fast to see 3. You are an idiot. 4. Goku has to charge up to reach SS4 5. Goku hasn't blown up any planets before 6. You're a troll, and an idiot. 7. SS4 is weaker than SS3, noob."

Goku has been seen in space *fighting*. 2)Goku's probly on par with supes 3)no I'm not. 4)I know he does 5) Just because he hasn't done it doesn't mean he's not capable of doing it 6) You're a retard and a chump 7) no it isn't. And I've been on the Vine longer than you have. Note your less than 70 posts and My over 1000 posts."

Back to this, 1 No he hasn't, scans or stfu 2 Whatever helps you sleep at night 3 yes you are, you troll 4 Then supes would speedblitz him, probably freeze him, and take him into the sun, where sups just chills 5 Whatever helps you sleep at night 6 Still a troll you ignoramus 7 Pffft....SS$ goku couldnt lift a building!!! Hahahahha!!!! I see my posts, but i make more sense than you do. The numbers son't mean a thing, I have more experience in threads and been kicked out of plenty myself :P SO don't talk to me like you KNOW everything there is to know, troll, now scans or stfu "

Motor can you clarify what Speed blitz is?

finally we agree upon one thing!

Popeye the sailor man beats both supes and goku with one arm tied behind his back

Game over

MotorSteel says:

"Heart of Infinity says:

"MotorSteel says:

"Supreme Marvel says:

"Apparition says:

"Heart of Infinity says:

"Apparition says:

"Heart of Infinity says:

"strength maybe but it doesnt the speed agility alone win it for goku. And not to mention goku could probably throw 15 S strength punches before Supes could throw one. If they both could go the same speed I dont know who would have the highest physical strength"

what makes you think goku's faster than superman? i've never seen them say how fast goku moves so why are people assuming its faster than superman?"

because it is quoted that radditz moved fast as the speed of light and goku becomes a sh!tload faster then him superman is a little shy of light speed (well so is all dcu since no one in DCU is written to exceed light)"

who quoted that? i heard that was just something piccolo said because radditz dodged an energy blast. even regular people in comics dodge energy blasts. batman, nightwing, captain america, punisher... so just because piccolo said it doesnt mean he really is that fast. or was it quoted somewhere else too?"

Akira Toriyama wrote and Drew the DBZ Manga and in that Piccolo says it. So because the creator wanted people to know how fast he moves. and from then on the speeds goes nuts because if hes moving faster than light imagin how faster Goku will be going at full power. What Goku is this anyway? Dragonball, DBZ or DBGT? Because DBGT, i don't like."

look at my scans idiot, pg 6. The ORIGINAL manga scan! The canon one! I don't see "faster than light" anywhere in the scan, do you?"

I still dont trust manga translations when they are written in english. But regardless you don't need to call people an idiots you could of just told him of your scan. "

I'm sorry it's just that people need to put the time into their research before they debate, or it's just Bs. Some, and most people, don't know what they're talking about."

Yeah I agree

Colt Python says:

"Forever says:

"Colt Python says:

"Did you guys realize that Goku wins yet?"

You have to know that joke of yours is getting old by now... Heart of Infinity says:

"I still dont trust manga translations when they are written in english. But regardless you don't need to call people an idiots you could of just told him of your scan. "

You have to trust it as much as you trust the English dub of the anime, so Goku's speed is definitely in question."

It's not a joke.I only say stuff like that when it appears the thread will never come to a conclusion."

Agreed

We all know how this battle would realy happen anyway

Superman and Goku have the same nature and will shake hands and fight a few badguys together

Forever says:

"Colt Python says:

"Did you guys realize that Goku wins yet?"

You have to know that joke of yours is getting old by now... Heart of Infinity says:

"I still dont trust manga translations when they are written in english. But regardless you don't need to call people an idiots you could of just told him of your scan. "

You have to trust it as much as you trust the English dub of the anime, so Goku's speed is definitely in question."

I agree its in question absolutley. I said it in one of the earlier post. I know the very least hes fast and I know hes more powerful then gotenks. Seeing gotenks go around the world that fast makes me think that he is possibly light speed or greater. But there are still no statements of speed so its it can't be determined

but no one can say superman wins yet either just because we know his ratings but we don't know gokus official ratings. And like I said until Toriyama comes out with the DBZ U encyclopedia we will never find it out

Perhaps if we can get the manga scan of gotenks flying around the world and see what he says then maybe we can peice together something