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Thinking about, Zuko opted for CQC combat in his first fight with Azula and only attacked her with his knifes, which might explain why she stomped him as badily as she did. Azula has already proven to be an exellent H2H fighter, even besting Suki. At the same time, it could be argued that Zuko was jobbing since he clealy was not fighting his fulliest. He has displayed more powerful fire bending in Book 1.

I'd probably agree. Zuko wasn't exactly focused in his first fight with Azula, and his firebending wasn't spectacular. I'm not sure he was jobbing exactly, but he definitely wasn't at his best

I thought jobbing was when a fight does not fight to his fulliest potential and not using all their power?

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Thinking about, Zuko opted for CQC combat in his first fight with Azula and only attacked her with his knifes, which might explain why she stomped him as badily as she did. Azula has already proven to be an exellent H2H fighter, even besting Suki. At the same time, it could be argued that Zuko was jobbing since he clealy was not fighting his fulliest. He has displayed more powerful fire bending in Book 1.

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@mattydavehalpeo: Although I can't say I agree with you, I find New Earthh Superman and Lois to be just what those of us who loved the old continuity needed, I do agree with you Barry Allen is in fact to blame for this whole crap situation we have right now. His decisions, his actions, his fault. As simple as that.

Isn't it funny? The old DC's straightest arrow became a greater "villain" than Hal Jordan ever was as Parallax.

I thought Barry rectified that mistake when he changed the timeline back to it's normal state at end.

Can't say he did. I mean, if he had, there would be no New52, would there?

Also, I feel there needs to be some retribution, some consequence to Barry's messing with the timeline for such a self serving reason as to save his mother. I get, it sucks his mother got killed, but was she the only mother to be murdered throughout Barry's life? What about Bruce's parents? If Barry can re-write time to save his mom, why shouldn't Bruce do the same in order to save his parents? Or Clark, who has a much more compelling reason. What are one or two individual lives worth against the billions of Kryptonians killed when Krypton went kablooey? Should Hawkman go back in time to prevent his original incarnation from being assasinated? Or should he and Shayera go back and save each and every one of their incarnations? Would anyone begrudge Ralph Dibny from going back and saving his wife Sue from being horribly murdered? Or from going even further back and preventing Dr. Light from raping her and thus making "Identity Crisis" a moot point? Where does it end?

In my humble opinion Barry Allen hasn't gotten half of what he's got coming. Not even a tenth.

I re-read it and he defintely did. The last several panels show him running back in time and stopping himself from changing the past. And then he has the conversation with Batman at the end talking about the whole thing. So he did change it back.

You miss what Professor Zoom says to Barry, that Barry changed time like an amateur. He seemed pretty sure that he'd changed things back, but we all know that he clearly didn't because otherwise post-Flashpoint continuity would be identical to pre-crisis continuity. In narrative terms, Barry's negligence killed off the Justice Society that we all know and love, as well as the real Wally West.

So can yo explain why in the closing panels we see Barry running back and stopping himself from changing the timeline in the first place, and his subsquent conversation with the orginal Batman about whole ordeal.

Their costumes have changed, that alone should say that although Barry's tired his best to revert to normal continuity, he's not completely succeeded. He stopped himself from saving his own mother, but he's still an 'amateur' at changing time, and so things weren't reverted completely. Also throw in the fact that the weird Pandora woman made Barry combine the main DC continuity with the Vertigo and Wildstorm continuities - surely things aren't completely back to normal in a universe where Martian Manhunter and Midnighter are considered colleagues.

So why were Barry and Bruce talking as if they known each other for years?? Barry seemed to think that he reverted the timeline back to normal. After he stopped himself, he went to Bruce's mannor to give him the letter. If it were changed, he wouldnt have known Bruce at all. I am not doubting what you are saying, I am just not sure if I fully understand the whole "changing timelines/continuties' part. Comcis are not exactly friendly towards newbies.

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@mattydavehalpeo: Although I can't say I agree with you, I find New Earthh Superman and Lois to be just what those of us who loved the old continuity needed, I do agree with you Barry Allen is in fact to blame for this whole crap situation we have right now. His decisions, his actions, his fault. As simple as that.

Isn't it funny? The old DC's straightest arrow became a greater "villain" than Hal Jordan ever was as Parallax.

I thought Barry rectified that mistake when he changed the timeline back to it's normal state at end.

Can't say he did. I mean, if he had, there would be no New52, would there?

Also, I feel there needs to be some retribution, some consequence to Barry's messing with the timeline for such a self serving reason as to save his mother. I get, it sucks his mother got killed, but was she the only mother to be murdered throughout Barry's life? What about Bruce's parents? If Barry can re-write time to save his mom, why shouldn't Bruce do the same in order to save his parents? Or Clark, who has a much more compelling reason. What are one or two individual lives worth against the billions of Kryptonians killed when Krypton went kablooey? Should Hawkman go back in time to prevent his original incarnation from being assasinated? Or should he and Shayera go back and save each and every one of their incarnations? Would anyone begrudge Ralph Dibny from going back and saving his wife Sue from being horribly murdered? Or from going even further back and preventing Dr. Light from raping her and thus making "Identity Crisis" a moot point? Where does it end?

In my humble opinion Barry Allen hasn't gotten half of what he's got coming. Not even a tenth.

I re-read it and he defintely did. The last several panels show him running back in time and stopping himself from changing the past. And then he has the conversation with Batman at the end talking about the whole thing. So he did change it back.

You miss what Professor Zoom says to Barry, that Barry changed time like an amateur. He seemed pretty sure that he'd changed things back, but we all know that he clearly didn't because otherwise post-Flashpoint continuity would be identical to pre-crisis continuity. In narrative terms, Barry's negligence killed off the Justice Society that we all know and love, as well as the real Wally West.

So can yo explain why in the closing panels we see Barry running back and stopping himself from changing the timeline in the first place, and his subsquent conversation with the orginal Batman about whole ordeal.

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@mattydavehalpeo: Although I can't say I agree with you, I find New Earthh Superman and Lois to be just what those of us who loved the old continuity needed, I do agree with you Barry Allen is in fact to blame for this whole crap situation we have right now. His decisions, his actions, his fault. As simple as that.

Isn't it funny? The old DC's straightest arrow became a greater "villain" than Hal Jordan ever was as Parallax.

I thought Barry rectified that mistake when he changed the timeline back to it's normal state at end.

Can't say he did. I mean, if he had, there would be no New52, would there?

Also, I feel there needs to be some retribution, some consequence to Barry's messing with the timeline for such a self serving reason as to save his mother. I get, it sucks his mother got killed, but was she the only mother to be murdered throughout Barry's life? What about Bruce's parents? If Barry can re-write time to save his mom, why shouldn't Bruce do the same in order to save his parents? Or Clark, who has a much more compelling reason. What are one or two individual lives worth against the billions of Kryptonians killed when Krypton went kablooey? Should Hawkman go back in time to prevent his original incarnation from being assasinated? Or should he and Shayera go back and save each and every one of their incarnations? Would anyone begrudge Ralph Dibny from going back and saving his wife Sue from being horribly murdered? Or from going even further back and preventing Dr. Light from raping her and thus making "Identity Crisis" a moot point? Where does it end?

In my humble opinion Barry Allen hasn't gotten half of what he's got coming. Not even a tenth.

I re-read it and he defintely did. The last several panels show him running back in time and stopping himself from changing the past. And then he has the conversation with Batman at the end talking about the whole thing. So he did change it back.

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I don't agree with people saying that this is the "real" Superman, since Prime Earth Supes is just as real as any other- in fact, a little more so considering that he's regarded as the current mainstream incarnation of Superman- but I love this idea.

They mean as the orginal Superman. The one we all know and love. Pre-52.