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@captain13:

I don’t know why I am giving this the time of day here, but here goes... These bullet points basically follow your essay in order, so I hope you can find the parts I am referring to. I don’t mean this to be a personal attack on you, but my enjoyment of the series may make me come over as somewhat passionate:

  • · It makes sense that to make a character likeable we have to make him not a mass murderer. That’s like saying “to make a character likeable you need to make him likeable”. If you’re upset that it removed the heroic death – that did still happen, it doesn’t diminish it; adding parallax into the mix makes it his struggle even more significant, don’t you think?
  • · Trying to explain the back-story is easy. Colour Spectrum has an overlapping Emotional Spectrum – Power is drawn from those emotions. Every emotion has an entity which embodies it. Simple.
  • · Hal is a test pilot. He doesn’t actually fly into combat.
  • “Another bit of fantasy” – Yes, it’s a comic – suspension of disbelief. Instances like the one you cited can be found in any comic, and any other form of storytelling.
  • · I think the planes no longer being flashy and cool is reflected in the story. Ferris Airfield is undergoing financial difficulty.
  • · You must remember that the story where he is captured by the Russians is set during the year gap. Superheroes are in disarray. The big three are doing their own thing. Without a way to contact him – it’d be hard to know where he was or keep tabs on him.
  • · You can’t say something is dumb and not explain why it is dumb. You simply described the plot of an issue.
  • · The Star Sapphire crystals focus on the love of the hosts. If both characters are in love with Hal, then yes they would both want to erm “mate” with him.
  • · This “Johns loves Hal” thing has got to stop. Hal Jordan was a charismatic, free-living, ladies man way before Johns was writing. Does Johns like the character, of course he does – it is reflected in how much attention he pays to the characterisation.
  • · Geoff now has issues with women... I don’t think that is founded in any real evidence. A writer can write a story about a murderer, it doesn’t make him so. The Zamaron’s are possessive and controlling. It’s almost like they are morally gray and sometimes villains...
  • · People don’t want to move into a city which was levelled. Yeah, it isn’t any less dangerous than anywhere else in the DCU, but consider the real world – the same thing would happen. Also the people moving into Coast City is a metaphor for the people’s faith in Green Lantern. This culminates at the end of the Sinestro Corps War where the people decide to stay despite being told they are in danger.
  • · Hal is able to overcome fear because he has met the embodiment of fear. Consider how much more scary the monsters you don’t see are.
  • · Sinestro’s rings are not powered by their opponents fear. You must remember that the power of all the Corps’ rings comes from their wearers, otherwise anybody could wear them. The Sintestro Corps rings are powered by the ability to instil great fear. This means the ring is powered by malice and other such emotions.
  • · While “fear” is what the Sinestro Corps insight – it is the lack of will (mostly through fear) which is what leaves them vulnerable. Making Kyle relive his mother’s death and moreover saying “This is what we are capable of” is of course going to make Kyle falter.
  • · The green lights in the window bit is not “cringe worthy” it is a vital moment in Green Lantern. Since Hal’s return he hasn’t been trusted or accepted fully. This moment defines Hal’s re-establishment of a hero and in turn leads to his victory over Sinestro.
  • · Wait... the Sinestro Corps WAR... has killing in it?? ...oh my.
  • · Building statues is easy with a ring of infinite wonder.
  • · Yes, the Cyborg Superman wants to die...which is why he is helping end the universe. Saying something is stupid just by saying the thing that happens doesn’t make it so.
  • · Each Lantern Corps has a set of beliefs. These beliefs conflict. They fight. Is that not how every fight goes? In addition... it is not as simple as them fighting for no reason at all. They all have their own goals and motives. Each Corps has defining characters too, with their own stories to tell.
  • · Blue Lanterns cannot “blow shit up” unless they are in proximity to a Green Lantern. This is quite clever and actually answers your questions. While the blue rings of hope can help heal, there is no good in hoping if you do not have the will to act.
  • · Empathy is a by-product of compassion.
  • · The zombie story was violent? :-(
  • Geoff thinks that over the top violence makes stuff cool... Read a Garth Ennis book some time (parental advisory, of course). Not only will it show you how mild Geoff Johns’ comics are (also – he isn’t the one drawing them) it will prove to you that violence doesn’t mean bad story telling. Perhaps you are coming at this from a “comics are for kids so we shouldn’t have bad things happening in them” stance. Which is a really antiquated view. Most comics are more for adults and mature readers these days. Also – you see Yellow Blood... I see custard :)
  • · The Zombies Never Shut Up ... They feed on the emotions of their victims by channelling memories of the host’s loved ones and using it against them. Talking is how they evoke an emotional response. I know we say “zombies” because they are undead – but remember, they are Black Lanterns.
  • · The emotional spectrum is connected to the White life force. Like when you shine a light through a prism. The emotional spectrum is therefore fuelled by life. That makes sense, a lot of power’s come from life forces and natural energies. Black Lanterns are the opposite – so yeah, they don’t like that emotional spectrum too much.
  • · Of course the stealing of the emotion filled hearts stops when Nekron shows up. It was what was charging the black powering rings to bring Nekron back. Therefore, once he was back – they didn’t need to do it.
  • · The over sexualisation of characters (both female and male) is a bit much and is an issue of contention which goes way beyond Johns. But this is a fair point.
  • · Comics are far beyond children’s entertainment. It is so beyond that.

This attack on a really entertaining series is unfair. You could do what you did to nearly any comic series ever. But what I really take away from this is that, despite your explicit hate for the series, you read the whole thing. Hope my comments clear up some of your problems and may hint at why some people do like this series so much. Sorry for being a raging fanboy.

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#3  Edited By Green_Tea_Light

Are those not the moments in the issue 1's when where Pandora was in the background?

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#4  Edited By Green_Tea_Light

I hated the movie, And that's without the Twist.

I found batman & robin more enjoyable, At least I can laugh at that

This.

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#6  Edited By Green_Tea_Light

I hate the internet sometimes

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#7  Edited By Green_Tea_Light

This was obviously intended since Batman and Son. The character has come full circle. This could be a very fitting ending.

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#8  Edited By Green_Tea_Light

Oh!! This makes much more sense. To be fair - I assumed throughout most of the story that the bad guy would be connected to a Clay Face and ignored what they really stood for. Thanks to both of you!

I'm still not sure I enjoyed the story. But tonally i think it pushed the boundaries little.

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#9  Edited By Green_Tea_Light

I have just finished reading City of Crime (which, may I add, took a long painful time) and I am completely confused about what happened in that story.

Has anyone read it, who can explain it to me?

I have read a lot of Batman stories and have never been this baffled.

This is what I have deduced that far:

The story opens with Bruce Wayne meeting a young girl at a party who is living life on the edge. He berates her for her reckless lifestyle. The next day she turns up dead, dying of a drug overdose. Bruce feels guilty about this.

Later on, a woman accidently sets fire to her flat. While Batman and Robin are rescuing victims of the fire, Batman stumbles upon a room containing six dead girls, all pregnant. Batman believes them to be part of a pregnancy ring.

Not long after, the mother of a young girl named Cassie Wells, reports her missing. Batman believes her to be involved in the pregnancy ring too. Still feeling guilty about the death of the girl from the party, Batman vows to find her and bring her home.

It turns out that the pregnancy ring is run, in part, by the penguin. With Batman on his tail, the Penguin's employer sends a man to kill the Penguin, causing what appeared to be a henchman blowing up the Ice Berg Lounge with Penguin inside. It is revealed later that the Penguin survived and that the henchman who attempted the assassination was made of dirt.

People made of dirt begin springing up all over Gotham, in the disguise of various people (shapeshifers if you will). One such doppelganger is the partner of a corrupt police detective who is also investigating the pregnancy ring and the missing Cassie Wells. This all comes to a head when the partner tries to fake the suicide of the Wells' and the corrupt detective - luckily the doppelganger does not succeed - but the police detective is driven insane and can trust no one, resulting in him being taken to Mercy General Hospital.

It is also revealed that The Ventriloquist was the Penguins partner in this whole affair, and the dirt people come after him too. They manage to injure Arnold Wesker, but he is saved at the last minute by Batman and Robin. Wesker is left in a coma and is sent to Mercy General too.

Penguin meets Batman and tells him to investigate a small community within Gotham to get to the bottom of the problem. Batman goes there and infiltrates the community under the guise of a beggar. Through observation he notices that the head of the construction team - who are building Gotham's new waterworks, which is funded by the Mayor who is up for re-election - is certainly the "leader". Bruce Wayne infiltrates the builders and befriends this man.

One night Bruce follows the man. The man meets another person - who is not named but referred to as the "smiling man" on account of his big grin (no - he is not The Joker). The smiling man goes into the forest which is at the center of the community. Bruce follows, but is suddenly crippled by fear (remembering his past mistakes) and blacks out. Luckily, the head of the construction team finds him, and takes him back home - nursing him back to health.

Meanwhile - a crazed man from the community wanders the forest and comes upon the smiling man, who offers the crazed man some cheese.

Later on the crazed man runs through the community in a state of frenzy. It appears he is giving off some kind fear toxin (no - the villain is not scarecrow either...), which sends the whole town into a rage. They fight among themselves, and begin killing each other. However, the head of the construction workers gets a hold of himself and kills the crazed guy. Suddenly, everyone snaps out of it.

The body of the crazed man is taken to Mercy General, where he is ressusitated and brought back to health. Casing the same effect in the hospital - and it begins spreading all over Gotham. Also - at Gotham General - dirt henchmen begin infiltrating the building to kill Wesker and the corrupt detective, who both know too much. Luckily Robin is also at Mercy - and he calls for backup (aka James Gordon). The trio, and some extra policemen, begin to take Weskers still comatose body out of the hospital via the roof - so the Batplane can pick them up. However the group become hit by the fear toxin and start fighting among themselves.

There is a side plot where the dirt people have replaced the aid to the mayors wife with one of their own. Placing him under their control. They convince him to convince the mayor that he is under attack by Two Face - (I don't really understand this bit!) and get him to get the commissioner Atkins to turn the Bat-signal on (again, don't really get why).

Batman recovers and attempts the forest again, this time he ignores the hallucinations. In the center of the forest he finds the dirt peoples base, which leads him underground into the catacombs. In the catacombs Batman finds a derelict cathedral, which houses a pool of mud - which transforms people into mud men. Batman witnesses a man with no face leading a cult meeting - made up of dirt people. They are about to initiate the head of the construction workers into their fold (who is more than eager to become stronger through their power) but Batman knocks him out before he can reach the pool.

The fighting at Mercy is halted when the corrupt detective, in a delusional state, kills the crazed man - and then himself.

The man with no face puts on a mask to reveal that he is the smiling man. Who Batman apprehends, but not before the smiling man detaches his own head. Batman then sets about putting a plan in motion.

Later on Batman goes to respond to the bat-signal - where he is intercepted by hundreds of dirt henchmen. He leads them on a merry chase back to the waterworks - where he promptly detonates charges he had set on the building. This causing the dirt men to be blown up, and the catacombs beneath Gotham to flood - which submerges the cathedral and the mud fountain.

At the end Batman visits the mother of Cassie Wells and reveals that has figured out she had nothing to do with the pregnancy ring - and that her mother herself had in fact murdered her and lied about her involvement in the pregnancy ring to take the heat off herself.

Here's what puzzles me the most - What was the dirt peoples plan? What did the pregnancy ring have to do with anything? What were the dirt people trying to do with the waterworks, if anything? What was the mayor subplot all about?

Any help will be really appriciated

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#10  Edited By Green_Tea_Light
DC's answer to rocket raccoon?

@Onemoreposter: My thoughts exactly!

Although, also getting a Jazz Jackrabbit vibe