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#1  Edited By GothamCiti

7/10.

(Fullmetal Alchemist Chapter 76)
(Fullmetal Alchemist Chapter 76)

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@blackspidey2099: Just a heads up, it'll take around an additional 2 weeks to get my post up as my final college semester is about to end and the workload is ramping up. I should be consistently free afterwards though. I apologize for the delay.

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OT: 7/10.

(Yu-Gi-Oh! Chapter/Duel 2)
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Peter was super pissed off when he re-encountered the burglar who murdered Uncle Ben while depowered.

(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #200)

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@jay_z94:

Daken and Wolverine have both given him trouble in combat multiple times, dodging his hits and well as getting their own hits in. In a 1v1 Spider-Man would win via web incap, but he's facing 3 people here that can one-shot him and are fast enough to keep up.

Those instances were when Peter was inexperienced and restrained his capabilities which won't be the case here.

Regardless, Daken only gave Spidey trouble with pheromones (which again is restricted here), and Peter subsequently proceeded to easily beat Daken through his Spider-Sense.

(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #597)

So a nerfed Daken is essentially a non factor here.

While Spider-Man is focusing on one person and webbing them up he's going to get blindsided by 2 others, regardless of his spider-sense. For example, he could be webbing up X-23, then dodging Daken, then get hit by Wolverine.

Eh, the Spider-Sense is specifically tailored to counter cheap shots. Like how Peter swiftly evaded an incoming hand gun bullet from behind at the last minute in point blank range.

(Spider-Man Vol. 1 #28)
(Spider-Man Vol. 1 #28)

Heck, even Iron Fist admitted he struggled with his Spider-Sense and acknowledged Spider-Man as an opponent he never truly beat despite his significant skill advantage.

(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #652)
(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #652)

In a past encounter, an inexperienced Peter still held the upper hand in pitch black darkness through his Spider-Sense despite Danny having the home turf and technical skill advantage.

(Spider-Man Vol. 1 #41)

And as I showed beforehand, the Spider Sense can at least position Peter's body in a way to minimize damage (a'la a flesh wound) even if he can’t fully dodge for whatever reason.

With his overall speed, precognition, and Spider-Fu, Spider-Man is more than fast enough to multitask and react since the trio aren't significantly faster than Peter anyways.

By the way, that scan against Iron Man is from upgraded Spider-Man isn't it? When he had organic webbing?

He had organic webbing, but it essentially functioned the same as his artificial web fluid. In any case, the instance still stands as a time when Peter used his powers/webbing more efficiently while uncharacteristically furious.

Anyways, it's not as if Wolverine is completely helpless when it comes to webbing, he's been shown to rip through it multiple times:

Those instances can only go so far when Spider-Man is still overall faster and has the option to spray wide spread webbing akin to AoE since he won't be holding back.

(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 2 #34)/(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #475)
(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 2 #34)/(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #475)

Not to mention, Wolverine, Daken, and X-23 aren't strong enough to actually break through the web fluid with their brute strength if their limbs are restrained.

Spider-Man should be able to incap him eventually, but that leaves a lot of time for X-23 or Daken to land that one-shot they need. His Kingpin tactic is pretty much a death sentence here. I can understand that Spider-Man is now more skilled, but obviously he's still nowhere near Logan in that regard. Honesty, the team is too much for Spider-Man here when he's already had trouble against one.

Spider-Man already outpaced and tagged skilled opponents such as Iron Fist, Wolverine, and Daredevil in the past while not at his best. Plus, the Kingpin instance nonetheless showcased how Spider-Man doesn't necessarily fight sloppily in cqc while enraged.

What makes this particular instance against Daredevil impressive was how Spidey was able to essentially blitz Matt with his combat speed in spite of being hindered by hypnosis and not operating at peak efficiency even though Matt Murdock can skillfully deflect handgun bullets after they're fired (Daredevil: Reborn Vol. 1 #4).

(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #438)

If Peter was already able to survive numerous encounters with Logan and land blows on skilled opponents without any formal training plus hindering morals in the past, it will only be worse for the team now that Peter is more experienced, technically skilled, and will use his powers to their full extent.

A single tag/physical contact will make a difference here as he can outright overwhelm Laura and Daken with unrestrained physical strikes in cqc under these conditions.

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@jay_z94 said:

@gothamciti: How is he going to web all 3 of them up before getting tagged himself? Wolverine is fast enough to keep up, Daken has shown he can keep up with pheremones and X-23 is a legit bullet timer who is as fast as, if not faster than Wolverine.

By simply keeping his distance and spamming his webbing to be honest. Just because Peter is pissed off here doesn't necessarily mean he's purely berserk. Spidey generally jobs against weaker opponents due to his morals hindering him, but he has been shown to fight more efficiently with looser morals.

Such as when Peter spammed his web fluid against Tony Stark while heavily pissed off.

(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #544)
(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #544)

And when he efficiently outmaneuvered and blitzed Kingpin while extremely pissed off with tranquil fury.

(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #542)

Not to mention, His Spider Sense has been shown to let him position his body to minimize harm from attacks he can't dodge as well as run through all possible battle scenarios and telling Peter which ones are good for him while Peter is fighting. So his precognition should give him enough of an edge to not get completely blindsided or cleanly stabbed in combat.

Anyway, there are already scans posted of Spidey web incapping Wolverine and stomping Daken by relying on his Spider-Sense to counter his phermones (which are actually restricted in the OP) in this thread. With his past experience, Spidey should have enough sense not to strictly rely on cqc. Although, Peter has gotten tremendously more skilled since those past encounters with his Spider Fu training. Such as when he took down an amped version of his physically superior clone Kaine (who by all means is also a bullet timer).

(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #671)

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#9  Edited By GothamCiti

Spider-Man webs them up and pours webbing down their throats.

(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #542)
(The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #542)

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