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We literally know nothing about Kyle Ren yet lol

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Oooohhh that's a really cool fight

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Wolf can hold himself respectably for a time, but Ki-Adi-Mundi wins for a majority.

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@wollfmyth: I was referring to her encounter with Cade being longer than 3 bladelocks. Not against Shado Vao and Wolf Sazen. I even mentioned her release of Antares Draco; this is towards the end of the Legacy series.

She never had the upper hand. And Shado Vao on his own stalemated Talon:

That's a good showing on Vao's part, not a bad one on Talon's. And blasting away Sazen with TK, off-balancing them with physical strikes and force attacks, as well as posing serious threat to the lot of them (both Jedi and Imperial Knights) is having the upperhand.Even if it weren't stalemating the lot of them is impressive enough.

> Implying MagnaGuards, Obi-Wan or Grievous are fodder

Kit Fisto wasn't fighting Obi-wan or Grievous 99% of time. He was fighting blaster wielders and droids 99% of the time.

And mostly lost to them. Also, none of them have Fisto's skill set. And feats and how said feats are achieved > black and white skill sets. Obviously they play a part, but general capability to compensate for the forms disadvantages and additional technical skill is more important.

She did not mostly lose. She lost to Cade Skywalker whom had the advantage of literally sparring with her constantly for months straight just previously, as well as a serious force advantage.

So it's better than Fisto killing droids? That's obvious.

Then you shouldn't have asked me the original question in the first place

Hand = one of the top enforcers of that time. Fisto's accolades = one of the greatest Jedi to ever be produced by the order

"Despite her relative inexperience, Darth Talon is still one of the most formidable lightsaber duelists within the Order."

"The Twi'lek Sith Lord is fast, agile and has a diverse array of skills that makes her one of the most deadly combatants around."

"A select few Sith Lords are given the title of Emperor's Hand, a tradition that Darth Krayt has resurrected from the days of Palpatine. These Hands function as the Emperor's agents throughout the galaxy, performing secret tasks at Krayt's whim. The position of Emperor's Hand is one of great honor, and it is fought over among the Sith Lords viciously."

"being a contemporary of Agen and Saesee(the latter stalemated Mace, the former stomped Vos). I'd say Fisto's better."

He's a contemporary, that means he has existed in the same time, not that he was equally skilled. Yarael Poof and Adi Gallia are their contemporaries too, are you going to argue that they are equally skillful duelists as well?

That's the only encounter when they locked blades that Cade used his power to win. No other time when they fought in a duel did Talon force him to use telekinesis. Only when Cade was trapped or didn't have any lightsaber to begin with did he actually use TK to beat her.

Wrong.

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It's funny you say that because MagnaGuards were specifically designed that one would be capable of beating your average Jedi.

So basically Jedi fodder that are designed to make Magnaguards look cool?

So beating a MagnaGuard is at least as impressive as beating an average Jedi.

Magnaguards aren't force sensitive, so I disagree.

Physical reactions and speed is exactly what's needed to actually deflect lightning. If Fisto sees it coming(which given his superior reflexes he will) he can just easily counter it. Especially considering someone less skilled and slower than Fisto(i.e. Shado Vao) did.

Just like how Kit Fisto was punched in the face and stunned by a non force-sensitive, blaster-wielding, no-name opponent and saw it coming. Just like how he was sliced across the chest by Durge and saw it coming. Fact is, he isn't going to see it coming or effectively defend himself 100% of the time And I think it's safe to say lightning is a wee bit faster.

This is a double standard. If Kit Fisto could possibly evade/deflect her lightning, but it's not 100 % sure he will, then it's not 100 % sure Talon will zap him with lightning either and actually succeed in hitting her mark.

Obviously. It's still an advantage Talon holds over Fisto.

Being randomized insinuates being predictable and repeating lapeses in offenses and defenses? KEK.

Apparently so, given that Shii-Cho holds an inherent weakness to 1v1 combat. There is a reason why the form is so effective against multiple opponents on the battlefield and not 1v1 dueling. I'll take the laughter as a concession of this point, seeing as you have failed to rebuttal.

And neither Grievous or Kenobi could actually take advantage of these lapses so why would Talon?

I'm not impressed by the goofy and inconsistent TCW Grievous, he couldn't even kill Ahsoka. And again, Shii-Cho is likely the perfect form for combatting Grievous in the first place.

Talon is a more impressive Ataru user than AotC Kenobi, seeing as he began almost entirely relying on Soresu after he watched his master get dropped by Maul because the form was too tiring.Soresu isn't exactly the most aggressive style either, and given AotC Kenobi was far from his prime it really comes to no surprise. And they were sparring, not trying to kill one another.

It's broad, wide and unprecise attacks and defenses is why it's weak for single combat.

Yeah, I know; lapses in defense like I said earlier. So I guess you must agree with me now.

Which definitely factors in here.

Never said it didn't. But it's not enough.

It can be Shii-Cho, Djem So, Ataru,

Given the characteristics I had mentioned earlier, Juyo is much more likely. Especially given his time under the training of the Sith.

heck even Makashi can be highly offensive if used in such a manner(take Malak as an example).

Literally nothing in Cade's fighting style suggest Makashi.

They're comparable enough but if anyone's superior it'd be Fisto.

I was never saying Talon was the superior duelist. I've been saying equal, sounds like you are inclined to say so as well.

Him matching Grievous, pressuring Obi-Wan, wrecking droids and groups of X'Tings.

Already addressed this

Good for her. Ahsoka can break through Force Barriers and Fisto hurling a ship, lifting and rolling around a several meter tall canister with ease and being implied to have superior power to Obi-Wan circa AotC should rival/surpass Talon's own feats.

Lifting a canister isn't that impressive, especially considering it wasn't applied during combat. And AotC Obi-wan's power wasn't all that incredible.

See the scan I've provided above for her smashing through rock with incredible force with TK. I can provide more scans of her swiping away several of the Jedi and Imperial Knights of Legacy as well if you'd like.

When did Fisto hurl a ship?

Little answer for? He has his lightsaber, and superior reflexes.

Bad phrasing on my part. But again, this has been addressed. Can doesn't mean will.

Why not? His only feat underwater that isn't applicable here would be his Water Orb, which isn't TK. The rest of his feats are showings of telekinetic magnitude and skill which would definitely apply here. It being underwater is of little relevance as he can bring the same amount of power here.

Because if you watch the video he is condensing the water to be used as blunt object, and it is also easier to lift while in the water. Water wouldn't exactly be hard to manipulate if you have a way of creating a current and a way of condensing.

It being underwater is of little relevance as he can bring the same amount of power here.

Which isn't as much power as you're making it seem for the reasons I've stated.

It's like me saying Talon's TK doesn't matter cuz she was in a forest.

Lol it's not like saying that at all; being under water and being a forest are two completely different things, obviously. He has no water to use to create a blunt object with, and has to deal with a higher force of gravity.

Obviously. Hence the debate.

Not obvious, seeing as you didn't get my reply until that moment.

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@wollfmyth:

For a like 3 bladelocks, then she started using Force powers.

It was longer than you are suggesting. And regardless, in their final confrontation, she had the upper hand for the entirety of the fight until she left in order to release Antares Draco to Cade.

Huzzah for killing fodder that only served to die to make herself look cool.

Sounds a lot like what Kit Fisto is doing 99% of the time.

What motivates Cade to be a so far better duelist than Fisto that Talon holding her own against him for a few panels would mark her a his equal?

The fact that she has contested with opponents that are in a similar skill-set of the enemies Fisto has fought, as well as dealing with situations that easily equate or even surpass Kit Fisto's battlefield feats. Talon's position as Krayt's hand is easily comparable to Fisto's accolades as a duelist as well.

We don't know that. We only know Cade wanted to get to Krayt and that Talon just stood in his way and got thrown around by TK.

That's not the only encounter I am speaking of.

Much like Fisto's duels with the MagnaGuards.

Right. I am saying that they are easily comparable.

These aren't his only achievements. He wrecked AotC Kenobi in spars despite deliberetly hampering his speed and skill and holding back, and Obi knew immediately he was his inferior.

Talon possesses a different skill-set than AotC Kenobi and will be implementing force attacks, physical strikes, and use of her environment via TK against Fisto, as she does frequently.

So? It's not like he's fighting multiple Force sensitives. Unless Talon can clone herself.

If combating multiple opponents is irrelevant, why even bring up Kit's feats against Magnaguards? Magnaguards can't use the force either,so naturally the Jedi/Imperial Knights would pose greater threat, especially considering the accolades surrounding the specific characters she has fought (i.e Marrassiah Fel's bodyguard/mentor) and the Imperial Knights as a whole.

Given Fisto's superior speed and reflex feats to Talon(baffling JK Droids, baffling Obi-Wan Kenobi, speedblitzing MagnaGuards, etc.) he could deflect it.

100% of the time? All while going through his own combative sequences? No matter what sort of lightsaber maneuver, physical strike, force attack, etc she uses to off-balance her opponent? I don't think so. These feats you are speaking of are regarding more physical movement rather than actual deflection anyways. He can evade them out together, but just cause he possibly could, doesn't mean he will 100% given the circumstances of the fight and his opponent.

How when Shii-Cho is described as being randomized?

Being randomized insinuates lapses in both offensive and defensive openings. Shii-Cho's weakness to 1v1 combat is proof of this, regardless of Fisto's immense refinement of the fighting style.

Based on what does Cade use Juyo?

I believe it is stated in the Legacy RolePlaying Guide, but I will check. Regardless, his unrelenting offensive and his blood-lust/battle fervor make it a reasonable inference. What other form would you speculate?

Anyways, Fisto has superior unarmed/martial skill

Ok

equal/superior dueling skill

Which is it, equal or superior? I've already addressed this, am I to take it you are you agreeing he is equal?

superior speed and strength

Speed, yeah. Strength? Based on what?

probably equal or potentially superior TK.

Based on what? Kit has broken the force barriers of several force sensitives, and has smashed through rock with TK alone. And again, she has force lightning which Fisto has little answer for. And Fisto's feats underwater with his TK are circumstantial, and not applicable here.

So I'd say he wins this.

I still disagree.