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@ltbrd said:

Here's a thing I don't understand about this debate that is completely obvious and yet at the same time a completely double standard.................we have dozens of male characters running around in skin tight outfits and not a single person comments on it.

Skin tight outfits != general lack of outfit at all. A good proportion of superheroes wear skin-tight outfits; when was the last time you saw a guy superhero fight in an outfit that had a hole cut out of the middle so you can see their well-proportioned chest? Or hell, just cut away most of the costume so you can see it a la Star Sapphires? I for one would love to see how ridiculous the proper male version of a Star Sapphire would look like (except they'd probably just colour Hal's regular suit purple hah).

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@aussiebushwacker said:

i'm confused if it was a dude who slept with multiple girls on the team and not caring people would call that sexist. men are protrayed overly muscled, and most men seem to be astoudingly good looking and getting a lot of sex. it seems kinda equal as it should be. this not real. maybe its sexist that people think the red hood and catwomen are.

Hahaha oh man I would love to see that happen, but guess what? It never would! The problem isn't the fact the the super heroine isn't sleeping around; after all, we're not slut-shaming here. It's the fact that that detail seems to only exist to serve some male fantasy with the only facet to her personality being that "she sleeps around" (apart from amnesia so she can't remember who she's slept with), and as a reason to get her out in her undies half the time so she can pose to the reader.

Who is she even looking at (whilst simultaneously showing both her breasts and her bum)? The reader, d'accord!
Who is she even looking at (whilst simultaneously showing both her breasts and her bum)? The reader, d'accord!
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@Marshal Victory said:

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no clue that was off top of my head.I try very hard not to break every thing down as we dont have enuff of x or y.But theirs plenty if one looks around .X-force has had varous stages. hell any of the x books actualy. http://www.comicvine.com/howling-commandos/65-32653/ would be one people point at in cap movie but forget they were very diverse even back in the day.

http://www.comicvine.com/the-authority/65-40399/ springs to mind now ./shrug like i said i try not to look at things as omg we dont have enuff of ( fill in minority here) in comics omg! People are people same as the in real life ,most dont act human about things. The diference between ultiamate spider man an this is that was a obvious last gasp at saveing the series.Many other posters who say their minoritys on other sites see it as such.An it feels insulting to some the way its marketed. instead of building up the character makeing it a mystery an gaining suport then reveal its " hey everybody new um spidermans black/hispanic! "comes off bad. Where as with this role in the movie the character has always been white.in comics, cartoons ,tv series, But i bet in the ne Dcu52 scaddo ultimate final crisis zero thingy they will remake him to look just like the actor. An they would do that why?Cough the lawsuit cough. Actualy id hate to guess a % because what one sees as diveristy others dont.

Sometimes it's just good to check our privilege every so often and actually look at how many minority superheroes there actually are in comic books. When white male is the default superhero make-up, it can become very easy to marginalise or completely omit people outside of the majority. I'd be interested in the actual percentages of this sort of thing; for diversity, I'd say almost anyone outside of being a) straight b) white c) male would count as a check mark. And of course, quality of character is also important, but worrying about that would naturally come later.

As far as Spider-Man is concerned, I thought that the whole point was that it was a character other than Peter Parker? Peter Parker's white, but Spider-Man doesn't have to be. Nothing about Spider-Man is predicated on him actually having white skin! If anything, I'd argue it was the fact that he was a teenager initially that shaped who and what Spider-Man represents: a teenage superhero who wasn't just a sidekick, who had to deal with adolescence at the same time as having superpowers. (obviously 50 years of comics has changed the themes/age of the character somewhat, but this could be seen as a nice return to his roots)

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@Marshal Victory said:

@cdeoleo said:
As I keep reading this conversation it just make me more and more sad. Come guys I really thought we were past this, guess I was being naive. Unless the fans are okay with comics wont ever be diverse, it is apparent from yesterday and today that most fans are not okay with Diversity.
Seriously we wount have diversity an fans arent ok with diversity you say? Lets try this the whole forced diveristy , pandering bs then i hope your right but we have diveristy in comics.

rember http://www.comicvine.com/night-thrasher/29-2098/ an the New Warriors? no? how about http://www.comicvine.com/patriot/29-2258/ an http://www.comicvine.com/young-avengers/65-40426/ ?

wait you missed when http://www.comicvine.com/storm/29-1444/ lead the xmen?


http://www.comicvine.com/shadowhawk/29-5195/ oh wait did you just mean at dc?

http://www.comicvine.com/mr-terrific/29-19179/ pre newdcu crisis of infinate zero thngy..
http://www.comicvine.com/justice-society-of-america/49-18052/ was pretty diverse
http://www.comicvine.com/batwoman/29-9052/
http://www.comicvine.com/renee-montoya/29-3716/
http://www.comicvine.com/teen-titans/65-19081/ an im not even trying hard. Even the people who run this site is rather diverse./shrug maybe um look around a bit?Just a thought..

10-20 examples out of 59,006 characters in the database. How many more do you reckon there are? (excluding the ten or so ducks there seem to be).

EDIT: Not meant to be standoffish, I'm genuinely curious.

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@MydLyfeCrysis: I said white privilege, not white privileged. I made the assumption on the fact that it is almost always white people that complain about people wanting diversity (that, and your profile picture suggests as much as well). Furthermore, you calling "white privilege" an "ignorant phrase used when people cannot intelligently discuss what can be a volatile topic" is you effectively shutting down the fact that white people have more privilege than minorities what a radical notion

You literally called the idea that Judd Winick had of "hey let's make an african superhero there aren't many of those!" a "slice of bigotry".

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@MydLyfeCrysis said:

The problem here is the fact that the entire introduction to this character so far is, "We need more PC diversity...too many white people." Hell, doesn't that feel like a slice of bigotry in itself?

Yup, especially after the many years of hardship, slavery and discrimination white people have faced throughout history. It cuts both ways, guys! God.

Seriously though, your entire post smacks of white privilege. The dreaded "D-word"? Really?

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@GraveSp said:
I will say that a lot of my interest of the book comes from judd writing it. at this point i have faith in his writing ability to take the chance on the book and i do kinda like the concept. that being said i agree that Egypt is definitely in the continent of Africa, but my understanding from my former relationship with an egyptian girl is that they do somewhat consider themselves part of the middle east and are influenced partial by that region. just kinda wanted to bring up that, but like i said i am really interested in judd writing batwing
You said that they are influenced partially by the Middle Eastern Region.... shouldn't it be the other way around since the Egyptians where kinda first..... Just say-en. Egypt is in Africa like the man said, simple as that.

The (ancient) Egyptians might have been first, but the Greeks, Romans, Byzantines and Arabs have conquered Egypt since then. The Arab identity is not derived from ancient Egypt.

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