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#1 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

Real tough choice tbh, I really like to see they explore Dark dimensions more, possibly introducing Mangog.

On the other hand, GOTG 3 will features Thor, and most probably Adam Warlock and the Soul realm. Seals the deal for me. GOTG 3

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#2 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

Under a red sun the native Kryptonians didn’t have superpowers just great tech, but I don’t know if it much better than the Nova Corps or the Asgardians who he appears to have beaten, granted the Asgardians were far from full strength.

Even without yellow sun, Krypton's gravity is still in orders of magnitude stronger than Earth. Hence, all Kryptonians are at least Luke Cage level strength and durability. Evidence is: in BvS, after Supes get depowered by Kryptonite gas, he can still tank armored Batman's punches relatively unharmed, dropped from 20 stories tall building and with Batman landed on him.

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#3 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

@pkety said:

@chazzer: I see u still dont know that supes got that insane buff after JL. The one where his two combat showings showed 1. He statues entire JL bar flash a

he was not statuing them at the start. He only went fast after flash entered

2. He did basically toy with and easily would’ve KO stepp but had to save civilians.

that's no excuse. If he is fast as claim him to be he could have saved them before steppenwolf could react.

Captain marvel literally sat there and watched thanos reach up, pull a stone, wind up, and punch her away.

if you watched the battle then you would know she was holding thanos back and thanos punched her in a second

THATS her reaction time. She’s never shown impressive reaction times, the missile feat is not as good a strength feat as pulling tectonic plates,

oh the outlier

and blitzing giant ships

when?

isn’t going to help in a 1v1. Marvel is WW combat and reaction speed at best. And we saw what that did for WW.

god if you can travel in light speed of course you would have a good reaction speed. Enough to counter superman. MCU captain will become as powerful as superman in time perhaps. She already has good strength feats and one shotting thanos,the same guy who broke vibranium, and has flown faster than DCEU supes had ever dreamt of in her first movie!

He is obviously statuing them, him and Flash are way faster than WW whom is a bullet timer already. Speed wise, that is way above all MCU characters has shown.

Outlier? Are you the same guy who argue Thor's star tanking feat is not an outlier too? Oh if you want to include Cap. Marvel off-screen implied super combat speed, then you should at least acknowledge the on screen Newspaper headline feat.

You failed to address the fact that Supes has never once harmed/hurt/bleed from non-kryptonite amped weapons.

And I'm pretty sure Cap. Marvel has a black eye given by Thanos there.

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#4 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.

What more do you want?

Yeah, yeah

Except he's apparently amped before he decides to pick up Mjolnir. During first clash, Thanos knocks him back, and he shattered a large concrete/boulder. That is even above Spiderman durability.

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#5 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

Only one out of those can pierce Superman's skin.

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#6 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

@rebake said:

Cap could probably survive that with his shield. Thor should definitely. The cage is mostly for bfr.

There's no way Cap is able to survive terminal velocity impact to the ground, with or without shield. Endgame worthy Cap probably, but even when he is worthy to process the power of Thor, his physicality still inferior to Thor himself

But I agree, the cage is mainly for BFR.

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#7 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

CHEESEBURGER...

I'll tell you why. We see how the Avengers are like gods to ordinary people, they save the world multiple times, went up against aliens and demons, Tony Stark in particular seems so invincible: he is a genius, a billionaire, a playboy and a philanthropist, and finally a hero. Seems so relatable, just as many people argue the same with Superman.

But when Happy talks to Morgan about how Tony used to love Cheeseburger, I lost it... simply because despite all those achievements and sacrifice, despite his larger than life personality, the moment shows us he's just like us! a flawed man, trying to good...a lot of good. Never has he try or claim to be a hero, he just want to fix the world, and likes cheeseburger, just like us.

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#8 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

Overall these are the 10 smartest characters

1. Ironman

2 Ultron

3. Ancient One

4. Shuri

5. Banner

6. Loki

7. Doctor Strange

8. Thanos

9.Odin

10. Rocket Racoon

Nice list.

But I think it's very tricky to conclude cosmic intelligence among Earthlings. Odin's magical abilities might stand from the fact he is their Chief of Science, similar to Quantum Physics on earth. But one thing we can reasonably rationalise is strategy and tactical approach is universally recognisable, because it's the results and achievement that counts.

Concluding that Tony above Thanos and Odin is tad bit ridiculous tbh, like we know Tony can't pull off intergalactic conquest like Thanos can, or running a whole type-3 civilization like Odin did.

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#9 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah I think they established Tony as the smartest for sure now.

Thanks, I will make some updates after the comments

@goddamnironman: Awesome list, the only thing that I saw that I don’t agree with is using the feat of Tony creating an element in the first one. That’s more of a chemistry feat.

It's hard to define where the boundaries are between Chemistry and Physics really, there are a lot of overlaps for sure. But the way Tony creates the new element seems appropriate for me to place it as a feat of Physics.

Where's Ebony Maw?

Not sure him reverse-engineer the Pym tech considered an Engineering feats or Physics or chemistry feats. Pretty unreasonable if I started placing him on all 3 categories based on one off-screen implied feat.

@jedixman said:

Not a bad list at all, honestly.

Thanks! I will make some updates after the comments

@byondeon said:

Why is Thanos only in Strategy? Because he should be S+ in all..

Hard to pinpoint where does his role begins and end. He definitely has tons of help, but one thing for sure is he is a cosmic mastermind able to pull off intergalactic conquest.

Hank Pym's science defies all laws of physics as we know them. He's basically a wizard with what we see him do with his shrinking and growing technology. He should be higher than A rank in physics.

Think about what we've seen him do. He can create near infinite energy by growing a Duracell battery, create mass from nothing since objects he grows seem to have far greater density than they would if they retained the same mass, destroy mass since he can apparently shrink a tank down and reduce its mass enough that he can casually carry it on a key chain, etc.

That is discounting his ability to traverse the quantum realm.

They describe his technology as "closing the space between atoms" but really he is basically a reality warper.

Here's the thing, Hank didn't seem to get any further out of his tech other than growing and shrinking, he got help cracking the quantum realm equation, and it's Tony and Banner that took it further into time travel territory in fraction of the time after meeting Scott.

@goddamnironman: Shuri didn't invent most of Wakanda's tech lmao. It was thriving long before she was born are you stupid lmao? The only stated thing she did was create magnetic levitation train and now is the leader of Wakanda's design group. They had cloaking and hover craft since a looong time.

Well, I am definitely stupid compared to those geniuses. Yes, no one says she invent all Wakanda techs, but she has got to be the smartest one within the highest average IQ nation in the world to be their chief of science right? Can you definitely say that Einstein is smarter than Newton? We're all standing on the shoulder of giants, the fact that she is mentioned to be the smartest in MCU by officials from Marvel and after taking into account all feats, her ranking makes sense.

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#10 Edited by GodDamnIronMan (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

MCU Intelligence hierarchy :

At the top level of any fields, as we all know, the gap between each tier is HUGE! So I divided it into different category:

  • S+ tier (cosmic level, transcendence)
  • S tier (Super-genius level)
  • A tier (Genius level)
  • B tier (Expert level)

1) Physics (theoretical/Experimental)

S Tier

  1. Tony Stark (Time Travel, created new element)
  2. Shuri (according to official statements from Marvel)
  3. Bruce Banner (tons of off screen feats, close second to Shuri due to insufficient on screen feat)

A Tier

  1. Hank Pym (Pym particles, entire SHIELD with tons of brilliant minds couldn't replicate it)
  2. Rocket (lack of on screen feats compared to others in this cat, but he probably knows more than Tony)
  3. Erik Selvig/Arnim Zola (lack of feats, but each one of them has standout achievement)

B Tier

  1. Howard Stark (None standout feats, mostly commercial application, more of a businessman)

2) Engineering

S Tier

  1. Tony Stark (this is his domain, unparalleled, basically leave everyone else in dust)
  2. Shuri (She is the Chief of Science in Wakanda for years, invented most of their tech)
  3. Bruce Banner (help Tony creating Hulk-buster, Vision and time travel platform)

A Tier

  1. Rocket (lack of on screen feats compared to other, more of a mechanics)
  2. Ivan Vanko (successfully replicating Arc Reactor, reversed engineered Tony's suits and made it unmanned)

B Tier

  1. Howard Stark (None standout feats, mostly commercial application, more of a businessman)

3) Biology/Chemistry

S Tier

  1. Bruce Banner (tons of on & off-screen feats, even Tony acknowledges Bruce is the best in the world)
  2. Hank Pym (Pym particles, entire SHIELD with tons of brilliant minds couldn't replicate it)

A Tier

  1. Abraham Erskine (Presumably he's the only one successfully created the SSS, and off-screen Bruce failed, hence becoming Hulk)
  2. Peter Parker (created the web fluid and he's only a teenager! he will only get smarter)

B Tier

  1. Tony Stark/Shuri (lack of feats, but they shouldn't be too far below)

4) Computer Science/IT

S+ Tier

  1. Vision (conceived by the Mind Stone and Ultron, able to overpower and shut down Ultron instantly)
  2. Ultron (created with the Mind Stone by the Science bros, 2nd only to Vision)

S Tier

  1. Tony Stark (again, unparalleled on screen feats, created JARVIS, he's running circles around every Earthlings)
  2. Shuri (tons of off-screen feats, she is the Chief of Science in Wakanda for years, invented most of their tech)

A Tier

  1. Rocket (lack of on screen feats compared to Tony, but still tons more than Banner in this category)
  2. Bruce Banner (make sense he should behind only Tony and Shuri, off screen feats)
  3. Peter Parker (Hacked Tony's Spidey suits while using only normal computer)
  4. Black Widow (Out-smart Ivan Vanko, took over War Machine, hack into Arnim Zola's network)

B Tier

  1. Ivan Vanko (effortlessly hack into HAMMER's suits)

5) Strategy/Tactical/Planning

S+ Tier

  1. Thanos (You don't became the most feared guy in the Universe without superhuman strats and planning)

S Tier

  1. Loki (Master of mischief indeed. Tricked everyone that he was dead and dethroned Odin)
  2. Dr.Strange (Clairevoyant with the help of Time stone)
  3. Nick Fury (the finest spy on Earth, running circles around everyone else including Tony, his secret has secrets!)

A Tier

  1. Tony Stark (deduced Loki's plan during 2012, Titan attack plan etc)
  2. Captain America/Peter Quill (both uses tactical approach more, but both are excellent commander)
  3. Rocket (serves as 2nd in command after Quil, he has good feats too)

B Tier

  1. Black Widow (She is trained specifically in this category to maximise her efficiency as a spy, good on screen feats as well)
  2. Scott Lang (Planned couple of heists)

Conclusion:

It's very hard trying to rank cosmic characters or characters from other planets among Earthlings, simply because everything is from our perspective, and we're biased. Nano tech maybe the best way to go around creating armors, maybe not so much on the planet where Rocket were from. And in terms of strategy and planning wise, Thanos leaves everyone in dust! the vast network and intricacies to pull off intergalactic conquest surpasses what us Earthlings can imagine.

If Anyone has anything to add/correct, feel free to leave down comment below. Thanks!