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#1  Edited By GhostRavage

@zetsu-san:

He Turbo Chemtank Guards were very clearly bullet timing. You can clearly see one move out of the way of a bullet after it was fired.

They were not bullet timing, they were moving too fast to be aimed at by the Enforcers and also moved erratically to make them miss... They also straight up missed, period.

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Ekko overwhelmed Jinx with his speed, but it’s not like she was incapable of tracking his movements, he beat her with prediction as much as he did with speed.

Yes, the only actual bullet timer in the series. She was tracking his movements but she didn't managed to land a single shot on him. Contrary to your "take" regarding the Turbo Chemtank Guards, you can actually see Ekko dodging the bullets after they were shot right at him instead of Jinx missing or him just moving erratically. Every dodge had purpose and was calculated.

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And saying that Jinx is comparable to Vi in hand to hand is honestly pretty silly.

I said fighting style, which involves more than just hand to hand (even more so when it is painfully blatant she uses guns and custom made grenades while fighting physically too), not hand to hand you blind twat.

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@kaijuking:

This is simple Argumentum ad populum. Its popular right now, and more people like it base on... what metric? I never see any promotion material for Arcane, I only learn of it few days ago and watch it with Super Crooks (Which I like more btw). Invincible also had little media push too, but lets not pretend Arcane has won awards or recognition or even wildly known outside nerd circles. Its hardly Into the Spider Verse or Frozen level of "OMG SO AWESOME" animation popularity.

Universally accepted parameters for media critique is not Ad Populum. Popularity has nothing to do with it, hence the reason why cult culture exists, popullary overlooked and or disliked yet packing a rather objective set of features that deserve praise. The case with Arcane is that is both popular and it also has a superb execution. Again, you can like whatever the fuck you want, this is not about popularity but about what each series brings to the table.

I agree with you that Invincible had lesser media push and i also agree Arcane's budget is much larger, which is why it is reflected in the entirety of its production. Arcane was released merely 3 weeks ago and it is already taking the world by storm and every single review it has gotten, both by audience and critics is almost flawless. Even then, what the fuck are you on about Cadence? You're saying Arcane is more popular but also saying Arcane is only known in nerd circles? What does that even mean and why does it matter anyways? Give me a fucking break now, Invincible's animation is inconsistent, and extremely cheap in comparison, whereas Arcane's animation is bold, fresh, ridiculously more complex and manages to communicate entire messages with simple face gestures, character poses and movements, very smoothly at it too, just like most Pixar movies and Into the Spider-Verse manage to communicate. Even the 2D aspect of Arcane's animation is so fucking out of Invincible's league.

Better score by critics (They score Last Jedi high lol) and fans who will rate it highly because they like it anyway? Thats not a metric.

Score as in OST you doofus. It's already painfully obvious Arcane has better score in every single reviewing platform both by audience and critics. You gotta focus, you're sounding like the same fanboy from 6 years ago who can't seem to grasp popular stuff can also be extremely good.

Better animation? Thats art and subjective, try again.

No, no, no, no... Listen... Nobody is debating whether animation can be considered art or not, in that way art is subjective, the techniques used in animation can very well be analyzed and in a very detailed way explain why one type of animation deserves praise and recognition above others. Like Akira being considered an animation masterpiece by achieving 24 frames per second entirely with traditional animation as opposed to cheaper and easier ways to animate with computers. The same applies to both Arcane and Invincible, one mixes 3D and 2D animation flawlessly and with visible intent and the other recurs to cheap 3D animation used inconsistently to animate stuff 2D-partially traditional-low frame per second animation can't achieve because costs just sky rocket.

More organic dialogue? I call bullshit. Kirkmen is great at writing characters and realistic character behavior. I mean the chick Powder? she is a cringe Joker knock off if I ever saw one. Vander, one dimensional. Hardly perfect.

Nobody is attacking Kirkman, i agree he is really good, but Arcane's dialogue is much more organic and it feels like everything every character in the series says it's important, genuine and conveys exactly how the characters feel. Either way, they are not too far apart, i enjoyed Invincible's dialogue as much as the next guy but most of the interactions between characters felt scripted, which isn't bad, but still beneath flawless organic dialogue. In my opinion Rex's dialogues felt incredibly natural, as opposed to Mark's or Nolan's, same goes with the Mauler Twins (at times) compared to William's.

Im not going to tackle any of your nitpicks, i find them stupid, unfounded and very revealing of just how little you're taking into consideration when evaluating both franchises yet being so quick to call the other "overrated".

Is it bad show? I can appreciate why many are praising it. Its not bad. Can you or anyone pretend its the best thing ever? No, its art. Its not real world shit that can be measured, its art and therefore subjective.

No one is saying is the best thing ever Cadence. Everybody is just saying it is worth the watch and that it is an impressively well executed series. Art can be criticized, thus, within those universally accepted parameters in which criticism is employed, you can determine which art is "better" than the other. This wishy washy stance because "oui oui it's art, let's have dog shit opinions because it's all subjective" just doesn't fly with me.

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@limitless82: Elite Shimmer Guards aim dodged for the most part although they did have a mildly impressive running speed. I don’t know where the MCU meta stands but as far as Arcane goes, the only bullet timer so far is Ekko and he flat out overpowered Pre-Shimmer Jinx because of his speed and she was comparable to Vi with her own fighting style. I don’t think Arcane is up there with speed just yet and the Hextech Hammer and Gauntlets don’t have a way to bypass impact absorbing gear like Panther’s suit or Cap’s shield, and coincidentally, both are drastically enhanced compared to the others, assuming this is post-therapy Bucky.

They ramped up the action by the end of the series, bigger scale and flashy stuff, but i think we’ll need to wait for Season 2 to see what the arcane gems and refined shimmer can do.

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Arcane fanbase already strikes me something like Undertale, or MCU fanbase. Praising their show as the greatest thing ever, when its clearly not doing it for some people.

'Shrugs'

No one is praising the show to be the best thing ever, the thread is about comparing Invincible and Arcane. You can like a show more than the other but credit where is due, Arcane easily blows Invincible in almost all universally accepted aspects when evaluating animated media in general.

Better score, much more superior animation, much more organic dialogue and voice acting just as good. Story wise neither brings anything new to the table, although, Arcane’s pacing is spot on and its presentation has nothing to envy other animated giants but the contrary. If you take into account more technical stuff like cinematography, photography and artwork concept implementation Arcane is so far above they can’t even compete. All in all Arcane has stuff on “Into the Spider-Verse” tier, Invincible has none, it’s simply a much more fleshed out show, with more budget and an outstanding execution. Again, you can like Invincible more, but let’s not act like Invincible isn’t getting milked off by some here when everything is taken into account. Let’s be reasonable.

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I have so many disagreements with common tiering in this topic. No Sin City? No 300? No Into the Spider-Verse? No Scott Pilgrim vs The World? Any of those movie should be Goat Tier because they are literally comics adapted to the big screen that still feel like comics instead of action movies or dramas based on comic stories. It‘s always TDK or Logan or some MCU cookie cut movie.

Best Comic Book Movie ever made so far is “Into the Spider-Verse”. It is not based on a comic story, it is literally a comic brought to the big screen and on top of being perhaps the greatest comic adaptation to the big screen, it can also be considered a great movie under a different criteria.

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@olorun said:

@ghostravage: lmao. Imagine not even having comparable feats and still thinking cable stands a chance.

Yeah, imagine having all those crazy feats and still being shit against one of Marvel’s most common powers. Truly depressing.

@olorun said:

@ghostravage: no, implying that you can't take the heat and swerve the convo. Nice try tho.

Im the heat you silly goose. I’ll assume im just living rent free in your head for some reason, im used to this *wink*.

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@olorun said:

@ghostravage: hm, I surprising finding you here.

Still dodging my surfer vs cable debate huh?

Who are you again?

Either way, dodging implies im debating somewhere else, which im not. Needless to say, that match is hardly debatable. Cable drops his ass with telepathy. Boring shit to say the least.

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It could go either way. Steve and Black Panther are quite the decent obstacle to overcome. I think with proper analysis and scaling Arcane’s team could be pumped up to their ranks. Vibranium suit might be too much. Good fight i guess.