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@sirfizzwhizz:

TBH even without the summons I think range attacks would kill Sakuna. More so since No.9 is arguably faster than Sakuna is. Easily staying out of his domain or spatial slashes range.

While I agree that No. 9 may be arguably faster if he opens the distance too much Sukuna also can dodge his air blasts.

No.9 before molting is able to root his limbs through a city block and launch his projectiles at all angles. The combine firepower destroys several multi story buildings and street below. Something he can do while staying out of Sakunas range and domain.

Tbf since he will be actively trying to dodge Sukuna's attacks, it will be hard for him to put his roots underground and catch Sukuna like that. And from that kind of distance, Sukuna can open his domain.

No.9 after molting shows a single projectile now casual large building. His weakest attack same level as the one above which required several projectile. Now only one small one is needed for same effect.

Wouldn't call it Large Building Level as we can see a truck on the corner relative to the size of the tent/building.

No.9 after molting shows a single projectile now casual city block busting. feats. No.9 after merging with No.2 creates massive city block busting fireballs with his attacks. Bot feats well above Sakuna and Jogo best move, as this is just casual attacks for No.9.

Above Jogo yeah but not Sukuna really.

Even this was only said to be able to "damage" Sukuna. This is 15 F Sukuna mind you and right after this, he one-shot the volcano spirit with a fire attack. Then he one-shot Mahoraga (who gave him a better fight) with the same technique 5 minutes later:

As far as explosions go, this doesn't seem below No. 9 and it's a heat attack to boost. He has +5 Fingers, extra arms, and a mouth for hand signs and incantation to strengthen his techniques too.

No.9 currently has the No.2 Kaiju special energy beam move, which destroyed thecity of Sapporo in Japan in power. Which is why Isia had to direct the energy to the sky not to wreck the city. Now No.9s own power set.

There's not much I can say until he uses it and we see the results.

Overall, yeah it won't be easy as I said before but I still think Sukuna can take it.

@sirfizzwhizz:

The Kaiju tht already exist as I said can be and have always been called on. No.9 is only stated to make "name daikaiju" to counter the strongest members of the self defense force. The horn Kaiju, Ant Kaiju, and many of the non name species of Level 7.0-8.0 Kaiju are just controlled and called on by No.9.

Yes, he can control already existing monsters too. I know that already. I'm saying it's different from summoning. He can't just make them appear wherever he wants whenever he wants. He controls the monsters in his vicinity but that is not "summoning" like Megumi's. Maybe he can call for a monster to be his shield but he can't teleport it in front of him, he has to wait for the monster to cross the distance. Kinda like Aquaman calling for sharks in the vicinity. (The feat you posted) I don't know, maybe this type of control can also be considered "summoning" but it's not the same as what I'm referring to. Say, there are no monsters within a 10 km radius, can No. 9 make them appear out of nowhere?

Then final battle no.9 summons out of nowhere his mass produce species of Kaiju army. This is totally in character and viable tactics.

There isn't much to say for the first three as I explained above I'm not denying he can control monsters in his vicinity.

It's not specified that No. 9 is the one doing the "calling out of nowhere". As they can also just seemingly "appear" in several other locations at once. There might be a Kaiju teleporting them or maybe they are so fast that they just seem like "appearing out of thin air".

Either way, I'm saying there isn't any proof of any monster already existing around on the battlefield and it's not shown for No. 9 to just teleport creatures, or at least not by himself specifically. We don't even know whether this is his universe or not. As far as the thread goes the battlefield is just "Tokyo" so this is simply the Tokyo of our Japan.

Thanks for the examples by the way. Appreciate it. 👍

@sirfizzwhizz said:

High-level ones are made by him and he can already amp pre-existing kaiju. We rarely see how he prepares and the time it takes for him to do so. Calling it applicable in a battle with no prep is a bit too much right now. Not to mention he doesn't make them with his power but likely utilizes the Earth to do so:

Don't know which Drac you are talking about so I don't have an opinion on that but doesn't ST instantaneously grow new plants or morph already existing ones? I don't think it's the same with No. 9 especially since we don't know the details of his monster strengthening and making. We only know he can throw monster carcasses around. We don't even know what he was doing before he came to the testing field to strengthen that monster. It's too early to say he is a summoner.

Again, it's different from Shikigamis. Shikigami in JJK are always available and can be called with a simple hand gesture. Has No. 9 shown a feat like that? Except for his meeting with Kafka, this guy always does his fights planned. He had the time and freedom to position the monsters and call for them when necessary. However, that's not the case in this battle and it's not even mentioned whether there were any monsters around he can control.

@sirfizzwhizz said:

I don't think that applies here. Those kaiju were made with prep and there is no monster he can revive on the battlefield. Unlike some summoning jutsu in Naruto or the 10S technique in JJK, this guy doesn't summon them out of thin air he prepares them beforehand in some sort of nest. So this is a one-on-one battle.

@sirfizzwhizz said:

@garouhm:

Thats where city busting and durable level fodder comes in. Last dozen chapters we see Fortitude 7.0 and 8.0 Kaiju fodder used as a summoned army by kaiju 9.

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Kaiju No.9 mentally was controlling and ordering 100s of Kaiju at a time, including five 9.0 Mega Kaiju (No.11-No.15) like chess pieces on the board. Able to mentally reach out across all of Japan at the same time through the senses of the other Kaiju and guide them during across the Japan country, in battles taking place in several cities, at the same time. Should be noted this army of Kaiju was made in few months time.

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After Kaiju No.11 to No.15 were killed we see that in addition to the Kaiju above that No.9 also made dozens of fodder 8.0 Mega Kaiju that he air drops as the next attack wave. Each one leveling skyscrapers with a single blast and taking skyscraper busting firepower.

I'm up to date with the series so I knew these already but this doesn't tell us much honestly. We already knew No. 9 was stronger than all of them. And destroying skyscrapers doesn't mean much considering Sukuna can dish out and tank Multi-City Block - Town Level attacks. Plus he has an extra set of arms and mouth now.

Whether the verse equalizations are applied or not, Sukuna's domain will whittle away at No. 9 and he can target the core directly with the new attack he learned too. No. 9 also didn't show any kind of fire resistance feats to my knowledge so the attack that turned a volcano curse into charcoal might do him some damage.

That said I see possible win-cons for No. 9 as well, just find it more likely for Sukuna to win for now.

An even battle but I'm more likely to give it to Sukuna due to DE and the "Existence Cutting" Dismantle.

Well, this is an actual battle that Gojo can win. Unless he gets caught by Decay from the ground or that spatial attack, he should be fine. Plus, with HP he should be able to take out Shiggy too. I guess I'm giving this to Gojo but an argument can also be made for Shiggy.

From how Yujiro was appalled and how Yuichirou openly looked down on him, I think Yuichirou takes it. I also vaguely remember a statement about how Yujiro never beat his father in his lifetime. It's still speculation though.

R1 and R2- Yuta kills him.

R3- Tanjiro most likely takes it.

Toriko vs Midora is a tough fight but I think Jirou will join them after beating Bambina with his Knocking.