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@rosefairchild: This will also be an interesting dynamic with Tony having to balance being a leader and being "an adult." Giving orders vs telling kids what to do because he's an adult and knows what's best (tm). (The second to last panel was an example of doing it wrong.)

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I wasn't especially enamored with this episode. But eh. It was basically a pre-pilot for Legends of Tomorrow, so whatever. A few things really stood out to me:

  • The Captain Cold action figure! What the heck? So a company in Central City manufactures an action figure of an active and dangerous real life criminal?
  • Barry robbed a museum...
  • Barry ran to Keystone city, robbed said museum, and was back in maybe 3 seconds. Now unless Keystone city overlaps with Central City, he was moving much faster than mach 2.
  • Cisco once again just magicks up a device overnight.
  • I'm tired of the whole "I don't wanna make things worse" with regards to time travel... Previously it was a tidal wave destroying the city, and now magic blue disintegration wave. Really Barry? What's going to be worse than that?
  • Hawkman was a pushy jerk.

Edit: Huh... after looking it up, he can get less than half a mile in a second at mach 2.

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@haveatthee: Two different issues actually. Whatever the Watcher knew about Thor, the revelation made him unworthy, but there's no indication that's related to why Odin is unable to pick it up. And no, it hasn't been revealed yet. I think most people are curious what was said.

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@allan53: Age old problem. He's family. Sometimes it's hard to turn your back. They love him. He loves them. They have a long long history and lots of issues. And even if you know your loved one is probably lying, you want to believe them, because love and stupidity.

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@allan53: Aww, you beat me, you should read most of God of Thunder , and the last run. (maybe Original Sin as well) If you want to be spoiled read under the spoiler.

But Jane's not sharing a body with Thor. Her transformation is her own Thor form given by the hammer. Thor Odinson is unworthy of wielding Mjolnir at the moment, he's renounced his name and is presumably off trying to gain his worthiness back. If you've only read the older stuff, you might not have discovered he wasn't sharing a body with Blake, Thor was turned into a copy of Blake (but it was later retconned that there was never a Blake).

And regarding Odin, he's angry at what he sees as someone stealing his son's weapon. And his wife sided with that person, along with several other people. He's in a state of not knowing who he can trust. He didn't set up the congress, it was there when he came back from self imposed exile, and probably plans to get rid of it, which has them on edge.

As for Loki, we don't know what he's up to yet. I think he's infiltrating to spy for Asgard, or he's in it for his own angle. I wouldn't take what he does at face value

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@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2: She'll be part of the Flash-team arrow team up soon, it's not like they don't know each other. Why the heck would the flash be late for Felicity's funeral?

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Though I like the cover, I'm annoyed the Ms Marvel cover has her covered in scrapes and a band-aid. She heals. Also, that Black Knight cover is really cool.

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@allan53: Depends on how much sense you want it to make, and how much you're willing to read. Any frame of reference would help me gauge how many book suggestions to throw at you.

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Thor fanatics... Look how inferior you are! B------- about this "tumblr fan fiction" (credits to @lvenger: on this quote), yea i m sexist we all are, even if all the core execution problems with Thordis remain if was Kraven the Hunter instead of Jane, see when you pick the hammer you have the power of Thor, but you not become a God or Asgardian with the same beliefs like if you born a God, and sentient/character Mjolnir is a pathetic excuse for that, being powerful does not make you God in every aspect, like Superman he is incredibly powerful but his beliefs are just like ours and that is what defines this character and makes him cool too, have the power of a God but still being one of us, but that was not Stan Lee intention when he created Thor, Thor is about a Journey Into Mystery that is made/acknowledged in the Gods perspective, that have different beliefs systems (when well written), that is why Thor stories are about the God Butcher/Eater/Slayer, and bring Blake (Odin's creation) or the 90's stuff is just pointless, although (Norvell and Eric) executions had Odin in the equation they were terrible writing like almost all Thor stories from the 90's, this stories didn't leave any mark/legacy in the canon because they were just bad, so is just wrong judge this "tumblr fan fiction" as just a "tumblr fan fiction" you should judge it as a Thor story, the same writer writes Gorr and now this and you judge it with different standards? So there is no difference between a Thor story and a Punisher story? Then why is so important call this comic Thor? Again Thor is the son of Gaea that heavily connects him to Midgard but in the God/Asgardian perspective, because he also is the son of the Asgardian/Aesir Odin and heir to the throne of Asgard, in any situation you can turn Thor or any other Asgardian in just a mundane character, when you write about Gods you just can't humanize them because they lose their Godly status, so yea i read all the posts and most of you although trying to demonstrate superiority just don't understand the character core and have poor knowledge on him and his world, and please don't connect Odin with mundane stuff like patriarchy, i know this comic appealed to your SJW spirit but Odin is the All Father of Asgard this references are just embarrassing for you, even if you think you are superior to the other users that are Thor fans!

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*This is from a 2015 comic, but certainly not from Aaron's writing...

Can you please show me one point, just one point in the whole past 9 issues it was even remotely indicated that she "not become[s] a God or Asgardian with the same beliefs like if you born a God." Or that she "is a god in every respect." You have built up this giant argument made of straw and are having fun very passionately attacking it, but it's really nothing at all. I'd really love to know where you came up with that. And you are aware that when Thor was made, he had no idea he was anything but a normal human right? He believed all the power was in the hammer. It wasn't initially from "a god's perspective." So to say that's not how Stan Lee created him is incorrect. You invoke "journey into mystery" but Thor kept thinking he was Donald Blake originally all the way through his role in Journey into Mystery and well into "The Mighty Thor." Thor's story began as a the story of a man becoming a God. Juggling his existence as a God with his human life. Keeping the secret from loved ones. Only later did he realize he was a god all along. And throughout the many decades, it has repeatedly circled back to Thor living among humans in a human body. First as Donald Blake, then after he shed his mortal construct, he still lived and worked as human, even as a God. Then he shared the body of Eric Masterson, taking over the body to become Thor. Later they circled back and he lived in the human for of Jake Olson. Thor has always been about the mixture of God and humanity. Either as someone who thinks he's human and sometimes a God, or as a God with a deep connection to humanity, juggling that with his duty to his home. The problem with Eric Masterson's story when he was the actual wielder, and not simply switching bodies with Thor, was that he was more focused on finding Thor than anything else. While this is obvious motivation because Thor'd been banished, it led Eric to just charge through Asgard in his search, and never really had anything to do with it or it's inhabitants. With Jane, it has the potential to be closer to the roots of the comic. Juggling being both human and having the power of a god. Before picking up the hammer, and throughout her life, she's had interactions with the Asgardians, and is currently a senator of worlds, so even without the cancer, she's a human living among the gods, with a secret god identity. She balances her role as a hero on earth, with her role as a human in Asgardia, and in the midst of a war in the realms. It's a nice mirror to a god among humans, and has more depth than Eric's story. And since Thor Odinson is still around, it also has the layer of him dealing with his unworthiness. I've said it before, but I wish they'd have brought back JiM as Odinson's own book with his personal journey regarding the implications of what the Watcher knew about him.

Regarding the gods. Odin didn't actually create the world from corpse meat. Even within the story. The gods are at most extrademensional beings. Zeus and the Greek pantheon also exist, did the Titans also create the world? And there's many planets with their own gods. Odin's words are expressions of power, not literal facts. Or else nothing he says makes actual sense. That said, even with gods, they still need motivations and consequences. "Because I said so" or "because I'm a God" is boring. It just makes them a bully and kinda useless as a character. So regardless if the character is a God in the story, their actions deserve judgement from the reader.

You also seem to decide only things that you find "well written" matter in the canon. As if you can discard everything you don't like as irrelevant so if anybody challenges your interpretation, you can write it off as "well that was stupid so it doesn't count." So tell me. You've said in the past the 60s Thor books were stupid, so I guess they don't count, now you kick out the 90s. Which years specifically are the "real Thor?" Is it only the recent stuff? Just the 2000s?

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"Remember, don't let what you've seen or heard today impact your future decisions at alllll!"

Awww, my mom and dad used to say the same thing to me every night before bed.