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All this talk about how the sequels are pointless because they hurt Star Wars superfans' fee-fees is moot, since the point of the movies was to fleece billions off the casual movie-going public, which they did successfully, twice, and will probably do so a third or even fourth time.

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@undre: Find a pic of people next to like the Empire State building and it will look comparable to that.

And you're just saying that attack is comparable to Zoro's without any proof at all. This is Pica's body next to a literal MOUNTAIN:

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The mountain is behind him, but even the hill in front should be way larger than Chad's attack.

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@leothegreatest: How the hell can I debate if you literally didn't provide me with anything to debate. You just said check the databook, and didn't provide me the name of the databook or where it said so.

And holding Ichigo in her shield isn't a feat for Orihime is it? It's a feat for her fairies, who I already said may have greater reactions than SS Ichigo. And I know that Ichigo is stronger by training with the Vizards, but how is that relevant to Orihime? Ulquiorra also could have easily blitzed her, but didn't bcz of ~the power of love~.

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@undre: Lol, the Zoro image you linked itself shows that Zoro is casually mountain-busting. And the thing you circled in the Chad one..... What am I supposed to be seeing here? You didn't fuckin tell me! What's that? Trees? Humans? They're literally scribbles, and they appear to be smaller than a sand dune, making that attack building level, which is what I said. And blocking building level attacks is nothing. Zoro has been doing that since Alabasta.

Come on dude. R u trolling or something?

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I just new I'd find lots bleach hype and OP low-ball

Truth. Like 1-2 years ago there were lots of OP hypers who would argue constantly with other guys. I used to have a good time doing that myself. But now it's just me and this one other guy. Also undre is a bleach jerker who says shit like this:

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So its no surprise that he says shit like Chad being comparable to Zoro.

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@saxz said:

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Well Undre already countered most your points.

Lol, Undre and I aren't even arguing about the same points. What are you, like his alt or something?

Looking at the DC won't do you any good ,even one of those cero was capable of one shotting shunsui a captain level shinigami,and he could spam a thousand in one shot.

Ok, a Cero one-shotted a Captain.... and then later on was only shown to blow up a couple buildings. I know captains on average have high durability, but maybe, just maybe, that was a low showing.

She can generate water that covers entire city blocks in an instant, oh she's definitely a big deal, she is a working kryotonite and could potentially shut Law and Luffy down before they do too much damage. Also she's the number 3 Espada she's not slow, even Arrancars far below her have good speed and strength feats to rival Zoro.

A Kryptonite... for 2 members of the Monster Trio. Also, stop bullshitting. No one below the Espada has anything close to Zoro's physicals. Most of the Espada don't have physicals that match Zoro, in fact I'd say only one of them (2nd Resureccion Ulquiorra) has that.

Please just stop,Ulquiora kills them with a single Lanza period, he doesn't even have to shoot twice, Luffy and Zoro might survive the first shot but no way in hell are they surviving a second one ...They aren't dodging shit either, do you even realize the AOE of that spear.if giving the Chance to spam his attacks he destroys the Strawhats in minutes

I can and I will. Luffy has already survived mountain level attacks, not to mention, they can easily dodge that AOE, considering that Zoro was literally dancing around an attack which was stated to be light-speed(but was probably relativistic) even before the Timeskip, and Post-Timeskip Luffy literally dodged this explosion from the middle of it:

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They could easily dodge the attack which was even dodged by Vizard Ichigo, and Luffy may even be able to escape from the middle of it. Plus they all survived Kaido's breath in the latest arc, which shaved off a mountain peak.

Hollow Ichigo is in no way comparable to Zoro in any stat, he crushed Lanza like a bug ...period

And that is the only argument for him not being comparable to Zoro? Zoro can also casually pull off a mountain level attack, so....

And you like to bring out others weakness to make your point, Two can play that game you know,.... Pedro and Big mom's son both high tiers of the OP verse got one shotted by Dynamite...... Which is 1/20 the DC of Lanza.Strawhats dies to Lanza.period.

This is pretty obviously a low showing, considering what other One Piece characters weaker that them have been able to survive before. Hell, even pre-timeskip characters could do that. An calling a legendary bomb of the Fishman Kingom (which only annoyed Mama bcz she lost her cake, it never hurt her) just "dynamite" is pretty low. Even then, Ulquiorra getting killed by Hollow Ichigo is not a low showing, it's just setting power levels.

These two are literally useless. Nnoitra got oneshotted by Kenpachi holding his sword with two hands, so any town level attack (like, say, Jet Pistol) should take him out. And Grimmjow got damaged by Vizard Bankai Ichigo, so Zoro should comfortably be able to bisect him.

Still cherry picking those weaknesses I see, Kenpachi with eye patch off and using both hands is greater than Zoro

No proof for that. Only Shikai Kenpachi has feats that outstrip Zoro's. And discussing character's power levels is "picking weaknesses" to you? That's literally how debate works dude.

And LOL at jet pistol taking Nnoitra or Grimmjow out, these guys are several times stronger than steel,Arrancars who aren't even Espada have better durability feats

Except that a single Pacifista took all of Pre-Timeskip Straw Hats strongest attacks and even then only died accidentally, and was oneshotted by Jet Pistol. Both Nnoitra and Grimmjow would at least be very hurt by the (at the time town-small city level) Straw Hats attacks', ad Jet Pistol is >that so yeah, they get oneshotted.

Sanji Raid suit is all but useless, Everyone who is someone in Bleach has Reikaku(sixth sense) and can sense directly the soul of a person.and Sanji can't one shot a soul on this list, when even Youruichi can't

The "souls" that Reikaku sees are souls of dead people. Never once has it been shown to find the location of a living person. Also, I don't even think Reikaku can be used to find someone unless their Reikaku vastly overpowers theirs, otherwise Ichigo could have found Orihime easily.

No seriously Chopper dies,just because Yammy was off screened by 2 High tier captains that doesnt make him Fodders, or are you implying those captains won't fodderize Chopper with their hands and 1 leg tied behind their backs

Yes, he would, and so did Yammy, which is why I put them as equals. I'm not making any comments about the captains, but Yammy is so trash he literally got off-screened. Even fodder don't get off-screened usually.

Luffy isn't Katakuri, people need to start getting that.

I'm talking about in the newest chapters where he casually predicts the future in his fight. No need to be an asshole.

True, but also the way Barragan died was by having a cut off arm teleported inside him, which Law can do, and DID do to Trebol, so you can't say that he never did it. He can be dealt with by Law.

Yeah Law is a badass and would be an MVP in battling Respira, And I have no doubt he might low diff Barragan in a one on one scenario due to his DF being a hard counter for number 2 abilities, But take a look at Barragan teammates,Thier abilities are twice as deadly as Law's,They might actually get to him first

If we're using an alternate universe where Straw have Reiatsu, then it only makes sense that their Reiatsu would be equalized to the Espadas, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a battle.

You're right,but it's a Nerf for the bleach team since equalisation isn't going both ways..and equalising Reiatsu doesn't give characters abilities they don't have, you don't here me saying the Espada suddenly have all 3 forms of Haki.

True, but otherwise it'd be a lame fight. It's like the Genjutsu argument in Naruto. Can they one-shot them? Maybe, but it makes for a boring argument.

Lol Dude even chad has comparable physicals with the Monster trio and almost all the Espada would stop his theme song with a finger, and I mean that literally

Lol, this makes you sound like a OP lowballer, because nobody in their right mind would believe that Chad, fucking Chad, a building level character, is comparable to casual mountain level guys like Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Law. And lol at like, fuckin' Szayelaporro stopping any of the Straw Hats with a finger. Maybe like Usopp and Nami.

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@undre said:

@full123: hes clearly blocking the attack. Doesn't even need mask

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Fair enough. But again Gin was planning on betraying Aizen and having Ichigo kill him, so you know

Chads punch had the same if DC as 1080 gun which destroyed picas head. That same punch can even damage base espada.

Are you telling me that punch that made a small hole in the wall of a building is comparable to an attack that literally broke off a mountain sized piece of stone? I mean look at this:

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Those houses, those tiny pixels you see on his arm are two story and about the same size as that hole made by Chad. You really gonna tell me these are equivalent? Come on bro.

And gin doesnt just have good range he should have high ap aswell. Because he

scales above. Low tier espada

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Scaling above a captain whom SS Ichigo scaled above doesn't mean much. Every Monster Trio member is above that, and so is Law.

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@leothegreatest: If you're going to say shit like supported by a databook, then you have to at least provide a scan of the databook where it says that, or at least give me a name for that databook or smth.

And is Orihime really above SS Ichigo? The way I see it, Ichigo in the Espada arc was just SS Ichigo with Vizard powers, and Orihime is just a regular ass human. Maybe you can make an argument for her fairies being faster.

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@full123 said:
@leothegreatest said:

A 5 digit mach character who has durability ignoring shots that can’t be dodged

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3 and at best 4 digit mach character's...?

Lille solos the thread. The best argument that could’ve been made for the team would be genjutsu but that’s off the table so it’s a stomp.

When did that happen?

Scaling him to Base Aizen who was able to effortlessly blitz Visored FKT Ichigo who dodged mach 1,000 attacks in base meaning his new and improved mask should definitely boost his reactions to 5 digit mach speeds.

Are you calling Ulquiorra's spear a Mach 1000 attack? Because lol, just lol.

You can also scale him to Starkk i’m base who carried an MHS Orihime dozens of miles to Aizen’s throne room before she could perceive anything at all which should be in the 5 digit mach range and supports base Aizen being in the 5 digit mach range especially considering he reacted to the feat.

Orihime isn't MHS first of all, and even if she was, how the hell would taking her to the throne room make his Mach in the 5 digit range? You understand Mach 10,000 is like relativistic, right? The jump between that and MHS is way too massive. And MHS Orihime is a lolargument to begin with.