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Luke doesn't stomp, and TPM Kenobi is fodder compared to ROTJ Vader.

But, DE Luke does win. He's better than his ROTJ incarnation who was already equal to ROTJ Vader as per numerous OOU sources. And ROTJ Vader is better than the Vader that Starkiller was better than.

Although, lol at the script version of the first part of the fight being used as proof of ROTJ Vader and Luke being equals. That excerpt portrays Luke as better, because he's given in to the DS and is circumstantially enraged:

"Luke is in torment. He glances at his lightsaber sitting on the armrest of the throne. The Emperor watches him and smiles, touches the lightsaber. 'You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now.' ...Vader watches Luke in his agony. The Emperor, Vader, and a horrified Luke watch the aerial battle fireworks out the window and on the viewscreens. Another Rebel ship explodes against the protective shield... Luke, in shock, looks out across the surface of the Death Star to the Rebel fleet beyond... Luke's eyes are full of rage. Vader watches him... Luke can resist no longer. The lightsaber flies into his hand. He ignites it in an instant and swings at the Emperor. Vader's lightsaber flashes into view, blocking Luke's blow before it can reach the Emperor. The two blades spark at contact. Luke turns to fight his father... 'Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy! Let the hate flow through you.' Luke looks momentarily toward the Emperor, then back to Vader, and realizes he is using the dark side. He steps back, turns off his lightsaber, and relaxes, driving the hate from his being."

-- Return of the Jedi: Original Script

And LS Luke wasn't winning. He was losing:

"Vader attacks, forcing Luke on the defensive. The young Jedi leaps in an amazing reverse flip up to the safety of the catwalk overhead. Vader stands below him."

-- Return of the Jedi: Original Script

nope, TFU Vader has better feats then his ROTJ counterpart, and ROTJ Luke is not a equal to Vader at all.

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Ummm no, Luke isnt even above Vader as of Dark Empire

RotJ Luke and Vader are equals. This is undeniable.

Although Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are equally strong in the Force, their duels are more than just about physical strength.

Beware the Sith

By the time of the Battle of Endor, Luke Skywalker has studied some lightsaber technique from Obi-Wan’s journal and greatly advanced his abilities. Without a Master, such advancement would be nearly impossible for most, but Skywalker’s unparalleled aptitude makes him a match for Darth Vader in their fateful duel onboard the second Death Star.”

Fightsaber

Father and son were now equally strong with the Force and equally skilled with their lightsabers. But this battle was more than just physical strength and Force powers.

Jedi Battles

The fight this time was far more balanced. Vader discovered that Luke was his match.

Fact File 111

Luke and Vader are engaged in a man-to-man duel of lightsabers even more vicious than the battle on Bespin. But the young Jedi has grown stronger in the interim, and now the advantage shifts to him. Vader is forced back, losing his balance, and is knocked down the stairs. Luke stands at the top of the stairs, ready to attack.

RotJ script

On the Death Star, Luke and Darth Vader were engaged in a duel that was even more vicious than their battle on Cloud City. Luke had grown stronger since their last encounter, and his skill with his lightsaber had improved greatly. As they swung at each other in the Emperor’s throne room, Luke sensed the advantage had shifted to him.

RotJ Junior Novel

For the first time, the thought entered Vader's consciousness that his son might best him. He was astounded by the strength Luke had acquired since their last duel, in the Cloud City - not to mention the boy's timing, which was honed to a thought's-breadth. This was an unexpected circumstance. Unexpected and unwelcome. Vader felt humiliation crawling in on the tail of his first reaction, which was surprise, and his second, which was fear. And then the edge of the humiliation curled up, to reveal bald anger. And now he wanted revenge.

RotJ Novel

On the Death Star, father and son grimly clash! Brutally, aggressively, Darth Vader brings his full strength and power against the younger man. But unlike the first time they dueled in the carbon-freezing chamber of Bespin's Cloud City, this is a battle of equals. The young Jedi has grown in the interim, and if there is any true advantage, it seems to have shifted to him.

RotJ Comic

As father and son faced each other in a lightsaber duel, it was clear that the younger man had now developed powers that equaled his father’s

Fact File 5

So RotJ Luke = Vader.

In fact. Luke is better than Vader really. Considering he's winning while holding back

The battle between Luke and Vader raged throughout the throne room. Vader pressed the attack at every turn, but Luke held back, even ducking beneath a shadowed staircase when the fighting grew too intense.

Vader The Ultimate Guide

Luke tried to avoid the fight, and only struck back in self-defense.

The Complete Star Wars Trilogy Scrapbook

But if the son holds any reluctance at the clash, the father seemingly does not! Darth Vader presses forward.

Return of the Jedi comic

On the Death Star, father and son grimly clash! Brutally, aggressively, Darth Vader brings his full strength and power against the younger man.

Return of the Jedi comic

So no. Luke as of RotJ is the equal of Vader. By DE Luke has surpassed him significantly. Consider that Luke went from where he was in ESB to fully matching Vader in only a year. Times that growth by ten.

Palpatine stated in DE Luke COULD became as strong as his father or maybe even surpass him, implying he was still below him as of early DE.

Oh yeah Palps said it. You mean the pathological liar who would say anything just to get Luke to turn?

Palps is wrong. And we have authoritative out of universe quote to prove it.

Starkiller defeated a superior version off Vader in TFU2 that was written to have better force feats and saber feats to his ROTJ counterpart

False. RotJ Vader is the most powerful iteration authoritatively. Confirmed here, here and :

His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor.

RotJ Novelization

here

not to mention Starkiller was starved for 13 days as was matching Vader in Sabers and overpowered him in the force.

SK recovered his stamina after his encounter with the clones. Likewise Vader had his respirator disabled in the blindside from Juno. So he was diverting his power to keeping himself alive. And even then SK admitted he couldn't win.

The Force Unleashed and other pre/post-ANH sources that display Vader as very fast, highly skilled technically and immensely powerful in the Force all came out after that quote; it should be considered outdated if you're using modern Legends Vader. Just like the idea that Vader was only a Djem So practitioner in Return of the Jedi is outdated, given that his form takes influence from all of the lightsaber forms.

Vader's portrayal changes depending on the author.

also lol if you actually believe ROTJ Luke is an Equal to Vader. Most people even debate if he could even defeat Darth Maul granted hes not enranged.

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lol Hal Jordan slaughters luke with ease.

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Itachi slaughters him

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thor slaughters them all, then proceeds to cremate there verse