@ferriserris:
Ummm no, Luke isnt even above Vader as of Dark Empire
RotJ Luke and Vader are equals. This is undeniable.
Although Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are equally strong in the Force, their duels are more than just about physical strength.
Beware the Sith
By the time of the Battle of Endor, Luke Skywalker has studied some lightsaber technique from Obi-Wan’s journal and greatly advanced his abilities. Without a Master, such advancement would be nearly impossible for most, but Skywalker’s unparalleled aptitude makes him a match for Darth Vader in their fateful duel onboard the second Death Star.”
Fightsaber
Father and son were now equally strong with the Force and equally skilled with their lightsabers. But this battle was more than just physical strength and Force powers.
Jedi Battles
The fight this time was far more balanced. Vader discovered that Luke was his match.
Fact File 111
Luke and Vader are engaged in a man-to-man duel of lightsabers even more vicious than the battle on Bespin. But the young Jedi has grown stronger in the interim, and now the advantage shifts to him. Vader is forced back, losing his balance, and is knocked down the stairs. Luke stands at the top of the stairs, ready to attack.
RotJ script
On the Death Star, Luke and Darth Vader were engaged in a duel that was even more vicious than their battle on Cloud City. Luke had grown stronger since their last encounter, and his skill with his lightsaber had improved greatly. As they swung at each other in the Emperor’s throne room, Luke sensed the advantage had shifted to him.
RotJ Junior Novel
For the first time, the thought entered Vader's consciousness that his son might best him. He was astounded by the strength Luke had acquired since their last duel, in the Cloud City - not to mention the boy's timing, which was honed to a thought's-breadth. This was an unexpected circumstance. Unexpected and unwelcome. Vader felt humiliation crawling in on the tail of his first reaction, which was surprise, and his second, which was fear. And then the edge of the humiliation curled up, to reveal bald anger. And now he wanted revenge.
RotJ Novel
On the Death Star, father and son grimly clash! Brutally, aggressively, Darth Vader brings his full strength and power against the younger man. But unlike the first time they dueled in the carbon-freezing chamber of Bespin's Cloud City, this is a battle of equals. The young Jedi has grown in the interim, and if there is any true advantage, it seems to have shifted to him.
RotJ Comic
As father and son faced each other in a lightsaber duel, it was clear that the younger man had now developed powers that equaled his father’s
Fact File 5
So RotJ Luke = Vader.
In fact. Luke is better than Vader really. Considering he's winning while holding back
The battle between Luke and Vader raged throughout the throne room. Vader pressed the attack at every turn, but Luke held back, even ducking beneath a shadowed staircase when the fighting grew too intense.
Vader The Ultimate Guide
Luke tried to avoid the fight, and only struck back in self-defense.
The Complete Star Wars Trilogy Scrapbook
But if the son holds any reluctance at the clash, the father seemingly does not! Darth Vader presses forward.
Return of the Jedi comic
On the Death Star, father and son grimly clash! Brutally, aggressively, Darth Vader brings his full strength and power against the younger man.
Return of the Jedi comic
So no. Luke as of RotJ is the equal of Vader. By DE Luke has surpassed him significantly. Consider that Luke went from where he was in ESB to fully matching Vader in only a year. Times that growth by ten.
Palpatine stated in DE Luke COULD became as strong as his father or maybe even surpass him, implying he was still below him as of early DE.
Oh yeah Palps said it. You mean the pathological liar who would say anything just to get Luke to turn?
Palps is wrong. And we have authoritative out of universe quote to prove it.
Starkiller defeated a superior version off Vader in TFU2 that was written to have better force feats and saber feats to his ROTJ counterpart
False. RotJ Vader is the most powerful iteration authoritatively. Confirmed here, here and :
His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor.
RotJ Novelization
here
not to mention Starkiller was starved for 13 days as was matching Vader in Sabers and overpowered him in the force.
SK recovered his stamina after his encounter with the clones. Likewise Vader had his respirator disabled in the blindside from Juno. So he was diverting his power to keeping himself alive. And even then SK admitted he couldn't win.
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