FangNthunder

"Rei-Kai said:

Again, you overestimate Amuro and the nu. For one, Wing Zero's capabilities exceed that of the Nu and it's made of Gundarium. Why don't you actually take the time to read the technical data of the Gundams that I've already provided. You claimed that the Nu's power output was greater than these guys, but according to the official data, that is far from true. Zero's is much higher and ZZ Gundam's Power Output is more than 2.5x's greater than that of the Nu Gundam's.

1. I'm not comparing Amuro/Nu to Wing Zero yet. I've been comparing Amuro to Kira/Strike. I know what Wing Zero is made of. I'm specifically focusing on strike now.
2. As far as output is concerned, I did read faulty data from a different site. I concede that Nu has the power output advantage. Hey, at least I concede the point. Do you still believe Kira has the same amount of experience as Amuro?

You keep claiming that Amuro can anticipate every move no matter what. Heero does that on his own and he's not a newtype, and with the Zero system, he can already predict the moves of everyone else here. Heero's skills surpass the Zero systems abilities. Kira never needed the Dragoon system for one, but the addition is quite helpful. I have seen them all in battle and Amuro doesn't measure up as much as you claim. Coordintors like Shinn and Kira are too much. They are genetically altered to be superior to normal human beings. Rey is a Newtype, like Amuro, and Kira defeated him. And really, the Legend Gundam outweighs the Nu in power and ability.

Heero guesses at what his opponents will do. A lot of Ace.. scratch that... even normal pilots do that. Some just do it better than others. What Amuro does is literally know, not guess, exactly what his opponents will do. Completely different. And the Zero system list logical moves of the enemy and readies counter attacks. The Zero system can be out thought and out maneuvered. Please tell me, what system do the Mobile Dolls use? ... ... ... The Zero System. And what did Treis do to 3 Mobile Dolls in a outdated cannon fodder Leo? He crushed them in under a minute.

Furthermore, comparing Rey to Amuro is a fallacious argument. It would be like me saying: "Amuro beat (insert human name) and Domon Kashu is a human, thus Amuro should be able to beat Domon." Rey has not even shown half the level of ability Amuro has as a Newtype.

The barriers used by the Destiny, Legend and Strike Freedom are the same ones that're used by the Zamza-Zah and Gills-Ghe, which are powerful enough to stop a direct shot from the Minerva's Tannhauser Positron Canon, with the difference being that theirs are smaller and more focused. Any attack Amuro makes is blocked and deflected by these shields. Amuro doesn't have the reaction time that these guys do. It doesn't matter if you can see what the attack is if you're not fast enough to do anything about it. It's hard enough that Amuro has to take on any one of these people, but you make it sound like he can take them all easy when that is not the case. In fact I'd find it hard to believe that he could beat any of the people here to begin with.

Their shields aren't "powerful enough" to stop Minerva's Positron Canon. They are specifically designed to stop them, hence the name: Positron Reflector Shield. (key words bolded) So no, their shields cannot stop Minovsky/Plasma based beam weaponry which has nothing to do with positrons. You're right, Amuro doesn't have their reaction time... his is better. Thats what tends to happen when you know exactly what is coming. So let me reiterate this for you:

1. Positron Reflector Shields cannot stop Minovsky based weaponry. It is an element that doesn't even exist in CE's universe.
2. On the other hand, I-Field can block any energy based attack Strike can throw. Nu's barrier will block any other projectiles Strike can throw.
3. Phase Shift armor will get destroyed by Fins easily.

And when did I say he can beat all of them at once? I am saying he can beat anyone on that list, one on one.

And as I've said before, the I-Field, when used defensively, only helps against beam attacks and is utterly useless against physical assaults. Gundarium is not invincible. Durable, but beam weapons can cut right through it. The ones utilized by the Destiny and Strike Freedom here are some of the best out there. Amuro's shields aren't worth jack against their armnaments. Not to mention that the Light Wings of the Destiny Gundam emit Mirrage Colloid particles that create after-images of the Gundam in the surrounding area, making targeting it extremely difficult especially given its incredible speed.

Thats why Nu also has a regular barrier along with his Gundanium Shield. Strike engaging Nu in melee combat is not a good idea since Amuro can anticipate all his attacks. your argument is that Amuro cannot react in time. Thats a horrible argument because Strike's attack speed with a beam saber is not as fast as its traveling speed. Keep in mind that Kira has no knowledge of Amuro's newtype abilities. When Kira goes for the attack, Amuro will be ready and will counter accordingly. And because of the weakness of Phase Shift armor, he will get one shotted.

Nothing that Kira and Shinn use are conventional. And they don't just use radio wave communication. They even use laser communication systems and guidance. Also, the I-Field can be gotten around very easily, even as a defensive option. The Fins aren't even a threat to these guys. Kira's own pods can keep them busy and the shields on them aren't strong enough to handle Shinn's blades. And like I said before, firepower also isn't everything. The Destroy Gundams have more raw firepower than any of these guys and the same shield type used by the Zamza-Zah, and Shinn in the Destiny took out four of them by himself. One of them he cleaved in half from head to toe. The Destroyers are like Godzilla sized.

Whats your point? You do know lasers use electro magnetic waves right? Please do not compare Kira's pods to fins. Its like comparing a Lan Evo to a Pinto. Do you really want to get into detail on Fins vs Pods? I really hope you don't because that would be a waste of both of our time. Go ahead and post feats of pods (basically some cannon fodder they attacked and came back because thats all they ever did). Funny thing is his pods wouldn't even work since they are controlled remotely.

And who said fire power is everything? You don't even need a lot of fire power to destroy Phase Shift armor. Beam weapons are kryptonite to them.

Once again: This is why Amuro beats Strike:

1. Craftier/More experienced
2. Newtype abilities
3. Stronger/Better defenses
4. Is just plain better than Kira. his personality is better for war in general. He doesn't hesitate and he will hurt you.

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 I would say the Thundercats win if they could use the Sword of Omen's but since none of the X men are evil, then Lion-0 and the Thundercats can't fight at full power.

 Its still pretty even though give the Xmen's limited roster.

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Bart Simpson said:

"Ferro Vida said:

"Is Cell technically made of some type of metal (being and Android)? If he is, then this fight ended before it began."

Cell's really a genetic hybrid. They just call him an android because the person who made him specializes in making androids.

Not going to bother with Ridleyz posts. I could see why all the DBZ defenders don't bother anymore since they always have to repeat themselves in every DBZ thread.

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You won't bother reading because you know I'm right
I've read the manga
You haven't and that's why you tried using a filler scene from the horrible Funimation dubbed anime

You would be hard pressed to find someone on this site who knows more about this series then I do

DBZ defenders can repeat themselves as much as they like
In the end they are still wrong

And that includes you"

"Cell doesn't possess that level of physical strenght
If he hit Juggs, Cell would end up hurting his own hand

Psylocke mindrape

Fights over"

"The only way Cell could beat Juggs is with BFR

Its up to Psylocke to mindrape"

"Please guys, the Strike Freedom and Destiny both easily outmaneuver the Nu. Their firepower isn't an issue really. No matter how much firepower you have, it means shit if you can't hit the target. That said, Kira actually has a fair amount of firepower and is incredibly fast. What you don't get is that they're both sporting shields that can block the same level of power the Nu has and more. Look, the Destroyer has more raw power than any of these guys, and Shinn took out 4 of them on his own.

As for experience, a lot of these guys are experienced. And the only psychic ability the newtypes have is a sort of danger sense in battle. That's all. Coordinators like Kira and Shinn can effectively unlock their potential to react faster, fight better, and become far more effective in battle. That's something Amuro can't overcome. Kira took out 25 enemy units in under 2min. Shinn practically took out an entire fleet of ships on his own using the Impulse, which is inferior to the Destiny. Heero is very experienced and on top of that the Wing-Zero has a ton of firepower thanks to its double buster rifle, which is capable of destroying a Space Colony, which are city-sized.

You guys need to read up more on your Gundams. Besides, no amount of toughness seems to be enough to stand up to beamsabers in any series. Kira has two of them and Shinn's anti-ship sword is just as powerful, plus he has his own beamsaber. On top of everything else, the Nu's weapon capabilities are far more limited than that of the Destiny and Strike Freedom, and it's weapons don't come close to the power output of Wing-Zero. Plus the Wing-Zero has the Zero System, which is really more effective than Amuro's newtype senses, and Heero himself has overcome the limitations of the system. Kira's Strike Freedom possess a special operating system of its own, the DRAGOON system."

"Baki and Deathstroke are simply no match for Kenshiro what-so-ever. There could be a 100 of Baki's and Deathstrokes, and they still wouldn't be a match. Kenshiro is closer matched to any of the DBZ characters. He's probably stronger than the DBZ characters becuase his RAY of Light is a move much faster executed and it sub-atomises anything it hits."

I really don't know much about the Ancient one, but isn't Mordru on a Mephisto level in terms of magical power?

Deathstroke is a little out of his element here.

 Both fighters would utterly wreck him.

 Ok, first all the seed gundams get annihalated because of their shitty pilots. Then Setsuna gets killed because the other pilots get tired of him shining his sparkles in their faces.

  That leaves the Newtypes(telepaths in mechs) and Heero because he is a badass.  Juda in the double Zeta, vs Camille in the Zeta vs Amuro in the Nu vs Heero in the wing Zero.

 I think Camille gets destroyed here because of the lack of power of his suit. Camille is a great pilot but he gets out matched by the power of two amazingly powerful new types in top of the line suits and the wing zero.

 When it comes down to it  I think Judau loses here. Both Amuro and Hero have shit loads of experience and know how to fight better in their gundams under adverse condition.

 And lastly between Heero and Amuro, I think Amuro wins because of several reasons.

 1) Amuro's pyscho frame is superior to what Wing Zero has.
 2) Amuro has 6 funnels, they are a pain to over come and will only add onto Heero's problems.
3). As we saw in Char's Counterattack, when Amuro gets serious, people die.