EstrellaDeLeon

"On an indefinitive loooooong break."

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#1  Edited By EstrellaDeLeon

Kind of bored at this point. I've done some blogs, some remain saved in gen. discussion for anyone to see them, some in CaVs, a few will be lost though, sadly, but who cares.

Cv was fun and all, but I think it's time to just let it go, as there are more important things in my life I want to soft out. Not a good-byes guy much, so I'll just say, see ya.

Annnd, just in case, I am this guy.

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Bye bye.

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No skill:

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Show me a more skillful feat

That's a speed feat, not a skill feat

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#3  Edited By EstrellaDeLeon
@berberiot said:

Blavk Frieza>>>>>round 8 in power, AP, durability etc.

Be quiet, galaxy level characters can't be >>>> Mubong

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@konohana: Reliant immortality isn't really being bypassed by punching harder, it's not how immortality works.

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@konohana said:

@estrelladeleon:

Basically this.

Mark has a chance to win with his higher scaling then.

Unless he can negate will based immortality, no, he cannot.

A single sword slash would just discorporate him, and even attack him on a sub atomic level.

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@cbarlion:

•Classic;

•Santia Sho;

•Next Dimension;

•The Lost Canvas (and its gaidens, but you can go chill on those, at least I do);

•Episode G Trilogy, G is still to be fully translated, and GR is ongoing;

•Dark Wing, still ongoing.

There are others, but I think these are the important ones.

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@f3m1: Yeah man, Ata is busted, wished we saw more of him honestly (even if we got enough, still)

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@cbarlion: Issue is, Hades straight up puts the souls under his control, in the dimension of the Underworld, which should be beyond space and time of infinite universes, in fact, the Underworld through the Yomotsu Hirasaka connects to all the dimensions in the universe/multiverse. Keep in mind Shiryu can exist as a soul just fine in the Yomotsu Hirasaka, but if he enters the actual Underworld, he'd be controlled by Hades' law of death unless he has the 8th sense unlocked(which he achieves alongside others, later in the series).

These two mini sections should explain enough.

The god of the Underworld:

Hades himself.

He who embodies, the concept of Afterlife itself, he brought it forth from nothing, sustaining the very Underworld that exists for the souls of mortals, after their death. Without him, there's no Underworld, only the "void", after death...which wouldn't even be death, but just the existence of the individual, completely ceasing to be.

Considering how gods are beyond space and time, it's clear that the Underworld, is one and only one. Let's bring some examples:

1). The Crystal Vortex, connects multiple worlds, dimensions, with each other, but Lost World Camus, has to walk through the Underworld to reach the entrance of the other world.

2). Shun sees Seiya walking in the Yomotsu Hirasaka, entrance of the Underworld, from another world entirely (the past timeline, and I've already explained why it would be its own independent universe), proving the Underworld'd connection to the multiple worlds.

3). As Hades words it, upon his death, the Underworld, as in singular, would cease to be. There are no multiple Underworld, and Hades in the canon(sigh... actually wish it wasn't) manga, Saint Seiya: Rerise of Poseidon, speaks of the territory he's built, through the Underworld:

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Which means, Hades himself would have an immense range through his manipulation of the Afterlife itself, of life and death.

Right to left.

The Underworld, is referred to as one of the worlds, in this context, the world of the dead put in comparison with the world of the living. The dead in general, would have disappeared without its existence, no matter the world or universe, as that's never specified.

This is consistent, with Zeus destroying the Underworld, letting everything fall into the void.

For further proof, gods are simply not bound by the changes of time, history and whatnot:

Thus, the Underworld would be:

•An endless structure, that extends beyond space and time, consistent with Blood Pond Hell being located beyond space-time (somewhere Hades can send someone to, with a gesture, btw);

•Something that connects to all the worlds of the Saint Seiya universe;

•The very meta-physical concept of an Afterlife, without it, the souls of the dead, would simply fall into the void.

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Hades would pretty much, manipulate the life of someone, across the whole world, with a thought, as even shown with Thanatos. And upon Hades' awakening in the human world, anything in his presence died, and keep in mind how even just Thanatos is the one who presides over the concept of death, Hypnos on the one of sleep(furtherly cementing the fact that gods are conceptual embodiements).

With this said, Hades' range for his death manipulation, would be ridiculous, and would scale in potency far above even fate manipulation through the concept of Karma, and such, considering his essence as a higher dimensional being, not bound by any karmic impurity whatsoever.

Oh, Hades would still live even when destroyed, considering he could possess Lost World Shun, in another dimension/universe:

So just keep in mind that nothing at all, stops Hades from possessing Jirem, and even ripping his whole personality/consciousness/soul apart, as shown with Zeus-Aiolia, with what he says:

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And for his soul manipulation potency? Oh well, how many souls in infinite worlds? Seems obviously, uh, infinite.

Just to add the cherry on the cake, Hades could simply BFR Jiren out of the Wheel of Samsara (this working on 8th sense users even), sending his soul into a timeless void outside of the cycle of death and rebirth, while transferring his own very "hatred", into him, this working as a conceptual/curse/BFR/void manipulation, which negates layers of resistances for obvious reasons.

Keep in mind, Hades' sword can cut through God Cloths and splinter them, and can even cut through Urns which can supposedly resist even Zeus' lightning bolts. These, are impressive because:

•The sword would bypass the ridiculous durability of the God Cloths, but also their immunity to attacks that target sub atomic particles such as quarks and beyond, with even Cloths of mook Saints being capable of resisting it through spatial warping miniature black holes installed in them.

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"The first problem that arose during the project was to select which material would be used to create the Cloths. Even with the understanding that the Cloths were a kind of armor designed to protect the bodies of the Saints, there lacked a material capable of withstanding the attacks of these warriors, whose immense destructive power resided in the destruction of the atoms. But as all matter is made of atoms themselves, such a material could not exist. With the exception of one thing: They had to study a real Cloth.

Dr. Asamori then began working on the Research Center to study the Sagittarius Gold Cloth which Mitsumasa Kido had brought back from Greece. In other words, he attempted to create an imitation of the Gold Cloth. He pushes his research studies to the molecular level, then to the atomic level, until he reached the study of the elementary particles and even that of quarks themselves, but he could not understand why the Cloths had this mysterious capability to endure this incredible power of atomic destruction (Which would then suggest the existence of something on a level deeper than that of quarks). After realizing that he could never replicate a true Gold Cloth, Dr. Asamori decided to redirect his research towards a different approach. And that would be to create Mechanical Cloths which focused the power of all modern scientific knowledge.

The attacks of the Saints were capable of destroying their target on an atomic level, therefore there was nothing to worry about in the first place even if they never reached the opponent. Dr. Asamori then started with the theoretical concept that the Cloths were capable of distorting space and immediately began his experiments. And in that age, the only known thing capable of distorting space itself was the force exerted by the gravitational wave of a Black Hole. But to create an artificial Black Hole and incorporate it into the Cloths' framework was far too much work for just one man. And so Dr. Asamori left it to the Graad Foundation to establish collaborations with NASA, the Pentagon and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

Theoretical knowledge regarding the creation of an Artificial Black Hole was something that was known since Einstein's time. It would be necessary to place 20 atomic bombs on an asteroid 10 kilometers in length and have them all detonate simultaneously so that the potency of their explosion would compress the asteroid's whole body. When compressed to a size smaller than that of an atom, it would be transformed into a micro-Black Hole. Dr. Asamori then thought it would be best to confine it within a Magnetic Field. And after countless failed attempts he was finally able to create and contain three Black Holes. Equipped with these micro-Black Holes, the Steel Cloths acquired a perfect defensive capability and a nearly unlimited energy source"

•Zeus' lightning bolts, are conceptual in nature, as even imposing the concept of death upon them, does nothing, as they're inhexaustible and perpetual.

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So Hades' sword, is pretty much striking on a conceptual, physical, spiritual(cough, near 20 billion souls at the worst potency, cough), sub atomic, spatial(on layers) level, all in one single strike, this, without taking in account the curse and the bfr.

So it's likely, that Jiren will just get cleaved in half in a single swing of Hades' Weapon, conceptually destroyed or erased out of the karmic cycle...

This, without including the power of Hades...

Strenght and speed:

Just to begin and give a taste, Hades with a thought can move all the planets of the solar system, with his telekinesis, while in Elysium, thus from dimensions away, potentially a literal infinite distance, and is capable of using this telekinesis in combat, to blast away God Cloths.

The same Hades, passively sustains the Hyperdimension, the Underworld, the infinite Elysium, everything he has created, this even confirmed again in Saint Seiya: Episode G Assassin, through Hades being the only hope for the stability of the Underworld, the whole Afterlife.

As for scaling? Easy enough, infinitely weaker Gold Saints, with their Cosmo, can create/destroy countless universes, and by infinitely weaker, I do mean it, considering the same God Cloths Hades slaughtered in the Lost World while not even using his own body, but Shun's, and the ones he obviously curbstomped in Elysium:

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Are something the Saints can obtain only by raising their Cosmo infinitely higher, Cosmo itself correlating to physical/power

Kurumada: Looking back, I did really well with Saint Seiya (laughs). The word Cosmos can be applied to a whole lot of things. For example, when it comes to feeling the murderous intention of an enemy or to speak of the elevation of power, in all cases it simply comes down to burning his Cosmos. Regarding the Cloths, it's because I had seen that the gods of Greek mythology were dressed in simple cloths. From that, I came up with the term "sacred tissues" ( - sinaru koromo ), which I then compressed into "Cloths"

Source.

And speed:

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So basically an infinite multiplier, on top:

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"Athena Exclamation, whose power is equal to that of the Big Bang, if they encounter with each other, the destructive force will not merely grow many times, not even squared or tripled, it'll will increase to infinity."

"If that happens, not only this Virgo House, but the 12 houses...no, the whole Sanctuary could be extinguished."

Keep in mind, these two Athena Exclamations are something that are generated by 6 Gold Saints, yet 5 God Cloths with their full power upon Hades...

Right to left

Get treated like fodder, and he is just scratched later.

This is also consistent with the Wall of Lamentation, a creation of Hades, requiring sunlight specifically to be destroyed, or more, the "infinite" power of the sun, the combined power of 12 Gold Saints, it being the only way to just create an hole in it.

Thus, Hades would comfortably scald above the energy generated by the clash of two Athena Exclamations, above the infinite Cosmo of the God Cloths, and so on.

And even at the worst, Hades far outscales Shura through a Miracle exceeding the speed of the universe's initial expansion..

That's...pretty fast!

"When the universe was just 10-34 of a second or so old — that is, a hundredth of a billionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second in age — it experienced an incredible burst of expansion known as inflation, in which space itself expanded faster than the speed of light according to modern science."

-source.

Gods do scale to Miracles, obviously...

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Making it all, pretty consistent. There's more to bring, such as together with the speed feats, Hades scaling infinitely above someone like Aries Mu destroying dimensions with countless stars inside that can be mistaken as universes, as for lifting strenght, far above Aldebaran, who can lift Themis' scale, something with the weight of the celestial sphere and its countless stars, and so much more that I don't think is necessary to bring.

But I'll do so, by presenting how any wearer of the boots of Hermes, even fodders, being capable of crossing the universe up to its edges in mere seconds.

But even a Seiya who barely tapped in the 7th sense, with a broken leg, could dodge the Lightning Plasma, at the very least, millions of light-speed blows all at once. Hades would also be far above the Saints that crossed the Hyperdimension, and so on.

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@cbarlion: There's a law that basically stops anything from being alive in the Underworld, which is why the 8th sense, basical enlightenment and ascension of the soul to a higher plane/dimension is needed.

Toriko doesn't have anything like that afaik