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@crushyourenemies said:
@erkan12 said:
@crushyourenemies said:

1- Vader can deflect Force lightning with his lightsaber as it's confirmed by TCW and later Sidious.

2- Vader isn't ''allergic'' to electricity, lol.

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This is the guy who managed to kill Sidious with one hand while getting hit by Sidious's Force lightning, which is several times more powerful than Dooku's. Vader's insane durability easily supersedes Dooku's Force lightning. He is capable of using the Force even when his suit has disabled.

Vader stomps him easier than RotS Anakin did. Stop talking about Star Wars.

More lies. I don't see Vader deflecting anything you are just proving my point. He is literally eating lighting in that scan LOL.

Also Palpatine mortally wounded Vader.

Galan humiliated him with it.

Dooku can easily stun him and disable him the same way he did to his younger self.

You should stick to anime.

Lying is your job. Vader survives Palpatine's lightning even after Mustafar (as anyone can see the scan above) and he isn't going to forget how to deflect Force lightning, your point is moot.

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Palpatine Force choked Dooku across the galaxy via hologram and Dooku couldn't do anything. Dooku fanboys has no right to talk about Palpatine's power.

Galen beat him after using TK, not Force lightning first.

Vader is more powerful than RotS Anakin as Ben Kenobi admitted in ANH Novel.

''Kenobi gauged the shrinking distance between the oncoming troops and himself, then turned a pitying gaze on Vader. "This is a fight you cannot win, Darth. Your power has matured since I taught you, but I too have grown much since our parting. If my blade finds its mark, you will cease to exist. But if you cut me down, I will only become more powerful. Heed my words."

Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope Novelization

Dooku has no chance against a more powerful version of RotS Anakin, Dooku gets stomped again.

Do us a favor, and quit following Star Wars.

Oh yea?

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disabled with ease. had him on his knees because his suit couldn't take it.

Dooku is far superior than Starkiller with the lightsaber so he can easily fend Vader. He also uses lightning surgically enough to cause a stun.

Oh and how did Vader die again? Oh that's right, force lightning splash damage LOL.

You should read more starwars

You are desperately using that PIS bomb character known as Galen Marek as if it applies to Dooku.

Vader already stomped and destroyed Dooku before when he was weaker. Starkiller's game video feats are irrelevant, it's no different than Kenobi beating Dooku in a video game by using a Force push.

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Dooku is on his knees too. Because his old body ''couldn't take'' the power of Kenobi's Force push, am I right? Oh, Vader should ragdoll Dooku, because we know Vader>>>>>Kenobi in the Force.

Palpatine would kill Dooku by using a hologram. He doesn't even need your ''Force lightning splash damage''.

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It's idiotic to use Palpatine to lowball Vader.

Seriously you don't understand anything about Star Wars. Just stop.

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@arkhamasylum3 said:

@erkan12:

Mace Windu is easily as strong as Savage if not stronger.

If you concede that he's as strong you're proving my point given their were unique circumstances to Savage staggering Dooku which weren't present in the Maul vs Mace match up.

Regardless your claims still aren't proof. Why don't you try proving it?

Because Maul is on a completely different level than Dooku when it comes to dealing with a raw physical strength?

And Mace Windu couldn't stagger Maul even with Aayla Secura's help?

You're losing again.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

Basic SW lesson; Savage is a darksider and rage isn't an amplification for a darksider. It's their source of power.

Erm rage can be an amp. If characters are more angry than normal and their rage is circumstantially increased their power is also circumstantially increased as we can see here.

''You must connect with your hatred, focus on your power building. That's it, your anger is your strength.''

Dooku's lessons to Savage. Savage was able to access that power thanks to his dark side training.

It's really dumb to say that Savage was ''rage amped'' while he is a darksider and he is specifically trained to do that.

Are we done here?

@arkhamasylum3 said:

It's only natural to think that Dooku would defend himself. He is holding his throat and he is trying to escape from Sidious's choke.

The latter part is added in. You've not provided a single shred of proof Dooku was actually defending himself and given he was able to match Yoda it's highly unlikely.

That's your job. Sidious specifically wants their apprentices to defy himself, because the Sith were born in defiance. That's the rule of the Sith.

The only natural thing was resisting to Sidious, if he could.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

It's weird to believe he isn't resisting and accepting anything that comes from Sidious.

How so? Dooku is terrified of his master and naturally wouldn't want to anger him. He knows he's not expendable to his master as we can blatantly see in the ROTS Novelization. There is no reason to further anger his master by striking back.

Dooku is expandable as he said to Maul that he can kill Dooku in SoD (it's the part of TCW, both canon and legends).

Not striking back should anger Sidious, it's the nature of the Sith. He made Maul a Sith Lord when Maul tried to kill himself.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

The same Dooku plotted kill Sidious by using Savage's help before, now he is just standing there and doing nothing when Sidious chokes him...

Vader has also similairly not stood up to his master despite also attempting to take him out with an apprentice.

Vader stood up to his master many times, including even stopping his blade in LotS.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

You've a really interesting view when it comes to Dooku, a view that only Dooku fanboys can understand.

Anyone who disagrees with you is now a Dooku fanboy? Lol.

Not everyone, only Dooku fanboys would deny the sources consistently, which is something you're doing all the time.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

Because he and Lucas worked with each other in combat scenes, and he knows what Lucas knows.

Them working together does not give him some sort special insight into Lucas's brain. Regardless of whwther he's modelling them after Lucas's views he's still fallible and we can't assume they are 100% accurate and Dooku being a tier below Yoda is clearly contradictory to the primary source (the films) which reign supreme over everything else.

Lucas gave him a freedom to write even the scripts of the duels, it's only natural to say that he knows what Lucas thinks about the power levels. Dooku being a tier below Yoda is perfectly suits to the primary source as Dooku foolishly believed that he can contend with Yoda and challenged him but then only escaped from him by using Anakin and Obi-Wan as a hostage at the end after a 30 seconds duel at best.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

It's the same fight. Dooku was only holding his own against Yoda, and he was struggling to keep up with him in that 30 seconds fight. Normal people sees this, Dooku fanboys do not.

Any proof for these claims? Dooku did hold his own against Yoda as we can obeserve on screen. He blocks all of Yoda's blows without too much effort and the novel notes he "held strong" which is of more importance than your fanon interpretation.

Dooku did more than holding his own but he lasted only 30 seconds and escaped from Yoda by only using a hostage at the end?

As I said, Dooku fanboys have really weird logic.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

If you want to talk about what ''we can see'', Yoda was obviously not using all of his powers against Dooku. He didn't even use the Force offensively against Dooku, while he was using it against Sidious.

Because he chose not to throw some objects back at Dooku which we both know Dooku would be able to deflect? Regardless of whether he held back in the Force Battle he certainly didn't in the saber duel. In fact the novel notes he would have killed Dooku had the latter not been parrying so brilliantly and we can visually observe the Dooku stopping Yoda's blade from slicing him in two.

Dooku is able to deflect Yoda's attacks? In which universe? Dragon Ball?

Yoda was able to deflect Sidious's attacks, and contend with him in a Force only battle. Dooku has no business with contending with Sidious. He gets Force choked by Sidious from another planet.

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@g_race said:

@erkan12: Right on cue. My account is legit, I am a real person. Just a new(ish) member.

You on the other hand post the dumbest opinions I have seen here to date. EVERY DAY, EVERY POST.

Sorry Maul still loses to Dooku.

*TRIGGERED*

Now I understand your butthurt, you're a dupe account of a Dooku fanboy that I've kicked his ass before am I right?

Maul doesn't even need to deal with a scrub like Dooku who ranks lower than Maul in AEYNTK top 5 list. Maul's apprentice Savage can beat him.

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@lord_tenebrous said:

Dooku DID one-shot Ventress. Twice. In Dark Rendezvous with a flick of his finger, and in TCW, when Ventress challenges him to a fight after being humiliated alongside Savage. After rapidly driving her back, he hurls her against the wall and telekinetically disarms her.

You know I don't want to involve debating with you because you're an obvious troll, but do you even know how stupid you sound? How is that the second thing you said is one-shotting someone?

Not only he wasted 25 seconds (and more due to off-panel) to defeat her then she redirects Dooku's lightsaber by using TK and manages to escape from Dooku;

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This isn't comparable to what Yoda did.

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@miirtek said:
@azronger said:

@arkhamasylum3: Give me the publisher quote.

As you might imagine, there’s no simple answer to this, so bear with me while I give you some background. When we started the 2nd edition of the fact files in 2013, Lucasfilm had not yet been bought by Disney let alone implemented the Legends/canon criteria. We had 120 planned issues into which to fit an immense amount of content. In the years since the first edition of the Fact File, all 140 issues of that, there was an immense amount of information to add. We made the conscious decision to cover the history from a little before the Invasion of Naboo (including touching briefly on Darth Bane and a little bit of additional background to Republic history pre-Naboo) and then stop just after the Battle of Endor. We had no idea things were about to get complicated. After the buy-out, and as we continued to produce the Fact Files, the Lucasfilm Story Group in April 2014 decided that the only previous published materials considered canon were the six Star Wars films and the Clone Wars TV series. They also decided that all Expanded Universe material was re-termed Legends. At that point we were working on issue 40 of the Fact File and, all of a sudden, we’d ‘lost’ a huge wedge of content. That was… exciting. As you’re probably also very aware, some Legends content will be brought back into canon as it’s required by the likes of the new comics, the novels, and so on. Some of it will be largely intact, some of it altered (for example, the new canon origins of the B-wing pay tribute to old canon beautifully). As I said, complicated. So far as the amazing Knights of the Old Republic material goes, it’s strictly Legends for now. Whether that’ll change will entirely depend on the Story Group and people like Dave Filoni. If KotOR makes it back into the new canon, we will reflect that in future publications. In the meantime, the 2nd Edition Fact File remains a testament to a moment in time when everything got complicated. We’re proud of the fact that we were the first to cover certain moments of new canon (the fate of the Jedi Temple, for example) and that, despite everything going on in the dull old real world, we managed to stay coherent. As mentioned, the KotOR was termed as Legends by the license holders (Disney) when the franchise was bought out. This means that it cannot be considered as canon until it is officially brought into the approved canon by Disney. At the time that the first edition of the Star Wars Fact File series was released, this was not the case.

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Good. So I was right again when I said he can't decide what's canon or not. He specifically says it's complicated, and evades from giving a direct answer. And says ;

''Whether that’ll change will entirely depend on the Story Group and people like Dave Filoni.''

@arkhamasylum3

Sorry kid, you're ragdolled again.

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@g_race said:

@erkan12:

Erkan you always post the dumbest stuff, its mind boggling to me at this point..

Sorry, I don't take a dupe account seriously.

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@g_race said:

@jacensolo77: Absolutely agree. Some of the absolute dumbest things I have seen in CV stem from Erkan.. at this point I think swaths of fellow viners outright ignore any drivel that comes from this guys keyboard. Its amazing, really..

@erkan12

An obvious dupe account, you're not fooling anyone here.

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@crushyourenemies said:

1- Vader can deflect Force lightning with his lightsaber as it's confirmed by TCW and later Sidious.

2- Vader isn't ''allergic'' to electricity, lol.

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This is the guy who managed to kill Sidious with one hand while getting hit by Sidious's Force lightning, which is several times more powerful than Dooku's. Vader's insane durability easily supersedes Dooku's Force lightning. He is capable of using the Force even when his suit has disabled.

Vader stomps him easier than RotS Anakin did. Stop talking about Star Wars.

More lies. I don't see Vader deflecting anything you are just proving my point. He is literally eating lighting in that scan LOL.

Also Palpatine mortally wounded Vader.

Galan humiliated him with it.

Dooku can easily stun him and disable him the same way he did to his younger self.

You should stick to anime.

Lying is your job. Vader survives Palpatine's lightning even after Mustafar (as anyone can see the scan above) and he isn't going to forget how to deflect Force lightning, your point is moot.

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Palpatine Force choked Dooku across the galaxy via hologram and Dooku couldn't do anything. Dooku fanboys has no right to talk about Palpatine's power.

Galen beat him after using TK, not Force lightning first.

Vader is more powerful than RotS Anakin as Ben Kenobi admitted in ANH Novel.

''Kenobi gauged the shrinking distance between the oncoming troops and himself, then turned a pitying gaze on Vader. "This is a fight you cannot win, Darth. Your power has matured since I taught you, but I too have grown much since our parting. If my blade finds its mark, you will cease to exist. But if you cut me down, I will only become more powerful. Heed my words."

Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope Novelization

Dooku has no chance against a more powerful version of RotS Anakin, Dooku gets stomped again.

Do us a favor, and quit following Star Wars.

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@crushyourenemies said:
@erkan12 said:
@arkhamasylum3 said:

I like how everyone is now taking canon quotes and sources to prove Yoda can stomp Dooku in a Legends debate...

@erkan12 I'll respond tomorrow but your entire argument is literally based on choreography and not actual textual evidence lol.

You're talking about movies (which is canon) to claim that Dooku could actually compete with Yoda. If you are going to use the movies, which is canon, Vader stomps Dooku.

If you use Legends only (which means Dooku doesn't have any feat against Yoda or RotS Kenobi) then Legends Vader stomps him again. As we know Kenobi defeated Dooku in the Legends by using a Force push.

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In both scenario the conclusion is clear.

But if you are going to deny every source again, don't even bother.

@crushyourenemies said:

I don't know. Dooku broke his back when he fought Anakin so it is not a fair comparison. Dooku is far superior duelist and Vader in a suit's main weakness is superior swordsmen like they have in recent canon.

Dooku stomps

You would do us a huge favor if you stop talking about Star Wars.

@jacensolo77 said:

@grinningf0x: sure Vader is a more powerful force user

Vader is comparably powerful to Old Ben, Dooku can treat prime ROTS Kenobi like an insect.

Vader never tried to defeat Kenobi by using the Force, anyone who believes Dooku is even a comparable Force user to Vader should quit following Star Wars.

@jacensolo77 said:

and has comparable lightsaber skills with a form advantage.

Lightsaber combat and force power are linked and losing to TPM Maul, who's sub Jedi Dooku doesn't really show parity tbh.

Maul was a true Sith Lord and a loss for Sidious, while Dooku was ''proton torpedo''.

We've seen that even Savage Opress was ragdolling Dooku and disarming him, and defeated him in a lightsaber combat suggests that Maul > Dooku as well. We don't even need to look at AEYNTK top 5 list to know that.

@jacensolo77 said:

What seals it is Vader’s durability and endurance meaning he can trade blows make the duel into an endurance test and we both know who wins that

Vader's durability will be largely irrelevant when Dooku's throwing him around with the force.

Dooku can throw Vader around when he stops getting Force choked by Savage Opress and Sidious's Hologram.

You call that a defeat? LOL. Did you not see the swarm of stormtroopers that came for him? Do you even know Star Wars?

Yes, Kenobi beats Dooku in that Legends material. Dooku was visually exhausted after getting that Force push from Kenobi. It has nothing to do with stormtroopers.

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did you forget vader is allergic to electricity?

picture a better duelist that is lethal with force lightning.

Dooku stomps.

1- Vader can deflect Force lightning with his lightsaber as it's confirmed by TCW and later Sidious.

2- Vader isn't ''allergic'' to electricity, lol.

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This is the guy who managed to kill Sidious with one hand while getting hit by Sidious's Force lightning, which is several times more powerful than Dooku's. Vader's insane durability easily supersedes Dooku's Force lightning. He is capable of using the Force even when his suit has disabled.

Vader stomps him easier than RotS Anakin did. Stop talking about Star Wars.

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@arkhamasylum3 said:

@erkan12:

Mace Windu + Aayla Secura, Maul dealt with it.

Proof they actually hav ecomparable strength to Oppress?

Mace Windu is easily as strong as Savage if not stronger.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

I think you don't understand the difference between an opinion and a source. You don't have a source.

I can't be bothered posting them so I pointed to another thread where they were posted. Also you don't need sources to tell you everything. For example if someone ran a 100m sprint and put maximum effort in and was panting after it do I need an someone who is omniscient to tell me they are tired? Of course not because I'm not mentally retarded. Similair principle here. All clues point to Oppress being rage amped and I've provided a bunch of evidence in the episode to prove it. I don't need an official decleration merely logical thought.

Basic SW lesson; Savage is a darksider and rage isn't an amplification for a darksider. It's their source of power.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

That's not an evidence. You need to provide a source or an evidence because you claim that Dooku didn't try to resist or stop Sidious in that instance. It's only logical to think that Dooku would try to stop Sidious if he could.

What drugs are you on? There is literally no evidence Dooku tried to defend himself. You're trying to switch the burden of proof to me to prove he didn't but it's up to you to prove he did given you made the claim.

It's only natural to think that Dooku would defend himself. He is holding his throat and he is trying to escape from Sidious's choke.

It's weird to believe he isn't resisting and accepting anything that comes from Sidious. The same Dooku plotted kill Sidious by using Savage's help before, now he is just standing there and doing nothing when Sidious chokes him... You've a really interesting view when it comes to Dooku, a view that only Dooku fanboys can understand.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

Gillard is easily the second person after Lucas when it comes knowing how powerful a PT character is. Denying this is silly.

If only saying it made it true...

Gillard as I've pointed out is merely a choreographer. Why wold he know anything about power leveks ect when all he's done is choreograph a few fights?

Because he and Lucas worked with each other in combat scenes, and he knows what Lucas knows.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

Dooku was no match for Yoda, as Yoda says that ''Fought well you have, my old Padawan.'', it means the duel ends for Dooku there. But instead of accepting his defeat, Dooku uses Anakin and Obi-Wan as hostage and escapes from Yoda.

Graphic Novel only states the obvious, after Dooku realizing he is no match for Yoda he makes for his ship.

This is contradicted by one screen evidence though where we very clearly can see that Dooku matches Yoda for a solid 40 seconds. The Graphic Novel says he isn't because it shows an entirely different fight to the one we see on screen and seeing as it's contradictory it is rendered N-Canon as I've already explained. This isn't a rebuttal to anything I've posted.

It's the same fight. Dooku was only holding his own against Yoda, and he was struggling to keep up with him in that 30 seconds fight. Normal people sees this, Dooku fanboys do not.

If you want to talk about what ''we can see'', Yoda was obviously not using all of his powers against Dooku. He didn't even use the Force offensively against Dooku, while he was using it against Sidious.