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#1 Edited by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

@arkhamasylum3 said:

@erkan12:

They are legends not canon,

I meant they are canon to Legends Continuity.

And secondly, lmao how so 'doesn't mean anything'? people don't need to accept that just because it happened in the legends, we know it wouldn't happen in the different platforms. I would certainly consider that in the battles between a TFU / SWTOR character and a non-TFU / SWTOR character.

Pretty sure a SW writer would consider that too if those two characters had to fight in SW mythos, to make fair I would either downgrade the TFU / SWTOR character's power, or I would upgrade the non-TFU / SWTOR character's power.

We don't disregard feats or lower characters because you don't think they would we written to stomp someone without those kind of feats. That's not how the battle forums work.

Oh you want to talk about the rules now huh?

Use Feats

Feats are, essentially, evidence of ability to back up an argument.

When looking at feats, be objective. Do critical analysis and unravel the context behind the feats; don’t take them at face value. See if there is:

  • PIS / Plot Induced Stupidity – When a character wins, loses, or does something out of character for the sake of plot.
  • CIS / Character Induced Stupidity – When a character wins, loses, or does something out of character because of something that is occurring in the story. Maybe the character is holding back for some reason, or fighting uncharacteristically ruthlessly.
  • WIS / Writer Induced Stupidity – When something happens in the plot due to the writer not doing research on a character’s prior abilities.

Remember: try to be objective.

Using biased TFU / SWTOR feats against non-TFU / SWTOR characters is what I would call WIS due to a Lucasfilm story group member already admitted that they are exaggerated, and what I would call it not being ''objective'' when you know they are obviously ''exaggerated''.

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@arkhamasylum3 said:

@erkan12: The feats being exaggerated doesn't mean anything because they still happened regardless and are still canon.

They are legends not canon,

And secondly, lmao how so 'doesn't mean anything'? people don't need to accept that just because it happened in the legends, we know it wouldn't happen in the different platforms. I would certainly consider that in the battles between a TFU / SWTOR character and a non-TFU / SWTOR character.

Pretty sure a SW writer would consider that too if those two characters had to fight in SW mythos, to make fair I would either downgrade the TFU / SWTOR character's power, or I would upgrade the non-TFU / SWTOR character's power.

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@keencraft said:

As a hypothetical to make the scale easier: lets pretend Galen Marek can hold a Star Destroyer with maximum exertion. Let's pretend Darth Jadus held his Dreadnought with maximum exertion. Star Destroyer = 1,600m Dominator = 600m. Jadus's maximum would be 0.375 of Galen's, if we assume the mass is relative to the respective size.

Could this Galen Marek dismiss this Jadus without any chance of the latter's defense?

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As far as I remember, he redirected an already falling SD by wasting like 20 minutes TK struggle, didn't hold it.

Also don't forget that TFU and SWTOR are officially exaggerated, the same things wouldn't happen in the movies, and animations etc.

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#4 Posted by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

@alphaq said:

That author guy seems to be giving troll answers, lol. He knows Maul was real because he made it up, c'mon...

This is getting sadder...

Readheathen asked twice to confirm it, which is why he answered in that fashion, the first reply should've been enough for you all.

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#5 Posted by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12 here is the rest of the discussion. i asked marz to define context of story:

As clear as day. Thanks.

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#6 Edited by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_tenebrous said:

"What is "skill"? Skill is something you are good at; a learned power of doing something competently. Dooku may have more knowledge than Anakin; eg sequences and techniques, but the younger Jedi can do more than Dooku can with less. I'd say that means Anakin is more skilled than he."

Again you continue to mix up physical prowess and saber prowess. This entire post is doing that. If we're just ignore physicals than Savage Opress is above Dooku as a fighter now. Brute strength is not dueling skill.

Brute strength is a part of the lightsaber combat, and it makes one a better lightsaber fighter, skill isn't the only thing that matters in a lightsaber fight.

That doesn't mean Anakin is more skilled duelist than Dooku, however Anakin is a better lightsaber fighter than Dooku.

Savage can contend with Dooku as a lightsaber fighter since he actually beat him in a lightsaber combat.

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#7 Posted by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

@kilius said:

@lord_tenebrous:


This entire post is doing that. If we're just ignore physicals than Savage Opress is above Dooku as a fighter now. Brute strength is not dueling skill.

Savage flinging Dooku was PIS, seeing how Plo Koon and Adi Gallia where able to contend with his strength in later showings(though he still obviously had an advantage in that regard, just to a much less dramatic extent).

But yes in general having a large strength advantage is a legitimate advantage and it does help to make one a better fighter. Heck some of the fact files attribute Dooku's advantage over AotC Kenobi to his "dark side augmented strength":

He found himself hard-pressed to hold against the dark side-augmented strength of his opponent, even though his own abilities with the Force were far from slight.

Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #49 (Relaunched)

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Anakin being physically stronger than Dooku can be attributed to his more powerful connection to the Force, so I really don't see how that downplays his superiority to him. If you want to turn it around and say it doesn't prove he's a better pure duelist, frankly I don't care because it's about being a better fighter. Trying to quantify pure dueling is something that's frankly impossible to do given the available information, beyond pure speculation. At the end of the day Anakin is just a better fighter in general once you add in all the factors, that being skill, physicals, and connection to the Force.

What's this gif suppose to prove? It's Kenobi's lightsaber that bends Dooku's lightsaber to Dooku's right side. Lmao.

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Dooku cuts him with better positioning and better fencing skills.

Also, neither Plo Koon or Ventress are as elegant as Dooku with Makashi, Plo Koon isn't even using makashi, so your comparison is useless. Savage can only ragdoll Dooku due to Dooku's own weakness which comes from his special elegant makashi form. Dooku is a special case, just like he is when it comes to elegancy and fencing skills, don't compare him to the other lightsaber fighters, it's directly mentioned he is different than the rest;

''For while Obi-Wan and most of the Jedi were sword fighters, Count Dooku was a fencer, following an older fighting style, one more effective against weapons like lightsabers than against projectile weapons like blasters.''

Source: Attack of the Clones Novelization

Even Ventress isn't close to Dooku's elegancy with makashi;

Luminara Unduli: "Even with my vision clouded, I can recognize the fighting style of Count Dooku. Your version is unrefined, amateurish… sloppy."

Source: The Clone Wars Season 1 Episode 09
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#8 Edited by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

As for the battle, could go either way. Ben Kenobi is kind of the worst match-up for TPM Maul due to knowing him perfectly well.

TCW / Solo Maul takes it though.

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#9 Edited by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

Resurrected Maul isn't an illusion, we've explained this many times but some people are still in denial.

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This is the writer of the comic book.

  • The prophets of the dark side wanted to replace Vader, and they created Maul again so he could replace Vader as an apprentice, they couldn't replace Vader with an illusion, that's idiotic.
  • Vader isn't an idiot, he would easily understand that was an illusion, he isn't weak enough to completely dominated by TP by some fodder dark side prophets. And this illusion is created by the prophets theory is just silly since prophets didn't lose their minds or didn't get any damage when Maul died, if they created Maul and if Vader overpowered that illusion than they would also get hurt, but nothing happens to them.

Which is why Ron Marz says ''real in the context of the story'' , anyone with a brain who read the comic book would easily understand that there is no way that Maul was an illusion for the reasons that I've explained above.

We've the Momin example from the recent Darth Vader comic book, Maul probably returned with the same way that Momin returned, Momin took help from his acolytes and Vader, and Maul took help from the prophets.

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#10 Posted by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

@worstdebater: the dog that nearly killed Maul can be Bene

Erkan12 can be Jocasta Nu

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This little creature who stole Old Dookie's lightsaber can be you.