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#1 Edited by Erkan12 (8391 posts) - - Show Bio

@kilius said:

OT: Maul could lose to Grievous in Legends. I know that may seem like lowballing but I just don't think his offensive style is well suited to deal with Grievous's physical stats even if the Sith is technically more skilled. If he does make it pass Grievous he loses to Kenobi. They were more or less equals in TCW and RotS Kenobi is more skilled and powerful than his TCW counterpart.

Based on?

TCW S7 will be = RotS

Maul defeated TCW S4 Kenobi,

Then Maul has grown more powerful in TCW S5; manhandled Savage Opress, and dealt with amped TCW S5 Kenobi by ragdolling him.

We know Kenobi was always amped against Maul due to Qui-Gon's death, but Maul is a more skilled fighter in normal circumstances.

Also yeah, saying that Grievous, as a jar'kai user, can win against the master of Jar'kai ; Maul is a stretch. Maul proved himself against stronger jar'kai users such as ; Ahsoka, amped TCW S5 Kenobi, Savage Opress and 3 Inquisitors.

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@thetragedyof said:

@erkan12:

my friend

we have lost this fight

the canon sources betray us

teenage Ahsoka is destined to beat Maul

as the jamaican aussie beat Dookie

far above, far above, what once was great is rendered small

Ahsoka is Filoni's favorite toy. But ''Lady Tano will run again'' no need to afraid. :)) Ray Shields will stop Maul.

Let's see,

Dooku fans like arkham and tenetroll are constantly lying about Dooku's feats, and Maul's feats.

- Best Dooku feat, if we take some legends feats into consideration only; Dooku held his own against Yoda, that's his greatest feat.

- If we take some legends feats into consideration; Maul's greatest feat is nearly defeating Sidious.

Maul > Dooku.

If we take other sources into consideration;

- Yoda is two times more powerful than Dooku. And Dooku was no match.

- Maul was also no match for Sidious according to some sources, however Maul at least kicked Sidious in the duel, that's solid. As well as kicked Aayla Secura when he was dueling with Mace Windu ; another Yoda/Sidious tier duelist.

Maul > Dooku again.

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#3 Posted by Erkan12 (8391 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12: I don't know how old are you, so I just guessed you're a little kid, then I thought you maybe not, not sure. But you're a troll anyway.

Just lol.

He did what? Lmao...

What are you talking about? The only thing Dooku taught Savage was using his rage,

"You must deepen your connection with the Force, my apprentice. Feel its power flowing through you."

> Savage fails to lift them.

"What you ask is impossible."

Only then does Dooku tell him he has to connect with his hatred, ergo a motivator and thus an amplifier for Savage's power - at which point btw despite this he only lifts 2 compared to Dooku's dozen+, so clearly not comparable to Dooku.

and you literally said ''Savage was rage amped'' .... I hope you're trolling, otherwise it's not good.

Lol. Try checking what a rage amp is. If you're suddenly enraged, you begin operating at a level far beyond what you were previously capable of.

Yeah cool, Maul beats that Savage.

Sidious was ordering Dooku to destroy Ventress,

"She has grown very powerful."

"I can sense her powers growing stronger."

Do you really not see him calling her a potential threat, lol?

Dooku was talking casually with Grievous,

You think these are the same situations?

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about with this rambling.

Stop wasting my time with usual Dooku garbage please.

You mean like your single source placing Maul > Dooku in sabers yet contradicted by about 5 quotes from people like Obi-Wan? I wonder which one is more garbage.

One states Savage was the real winner,

And the other one states Savage bested Dooku in a lightsaber combat.

Did you even watch the fight?

Savage goes on the offensive (which Dooku easily dodges) until he gets one lucky strike which has the physical force necessary to knock Dooku backwards and drop his lightsaber. You're seriously trying to push this as Savage being > Dooku and being skilled enough to disarm him when it was clearly his physical strength? Guess that means Savage >> Anakin & Obi-Wan combined since he knocked them back with his physical strength.

Pick one.

Don't need to. Dooku was shown to be stronger than Savage on many occasions, and your ramblings don't change that. In the same duel he casually dodges Savage's attacks, ragdolls him multiple times and is content to casually electrocute him.

Obi-Wan was using the territory to his own advange, the brothers were getting each others way. Confirmed by Shadow Conspiracy.

Mind quoting that?

Still Maul ragdolled that extremely highly focused Obi-Wan in that fight.

And Dooku ragdolled a considerably more powerful Obi-Wan with absolute ease, and that was when Obi-Wan and Anakin had the advantage of surprising Dooku and putting him on the back foot.

Just stop with these pathetic arguments please. Kenobi couldn't even save Galia without his amp.

And yet he nearly killed Savage if Maul hadn't saved him. Since we're lowballing let's go there why don't we? I mean, it's not like Obi-Wan and Gallia were separated early on in the duel now was it?

And escaped from Maul and Savage when Ventress was helping him.

Do I need to pull up the quote about how the scenario favoured the brothers? Hell, Obi-Wan was actually beating Maul at parts during the battle despite having been beaten and tortured - which is hilarious by the way - and Ventress was only using one blade and thus her style was greatly weakened. Nice lowballing.

-Darksiders: constantly uses rage and hatred.

-You; darksiders are amped when they use rage...

Nice one.

They're amped when it pushes them far beyond what their base is. Show me a feat by Savage comparable to choking Dooku and Ventress simultaneously.

Just stop wasting my time anymore, obviously you're just a bad troll.

Oh the irony. I see why half of Comicvine's Star Wars debaters refuse to even acknowledge you now. And just because it's pretty funny watching you reaching:

Versus this:

"Well, that was definitely one of our biggest challenges, Maul and Savage versus Sidious, because we wanted to have an epic lightsaber fight. We hadn’t really had a big one in awhile, and I really thought this is our chance to show everyone why Sidious is the Sith Lord. Why no one can compete with this guy."

-- Dave Filoni

Versus this;

@lord_tenebrous said:

Versus this:

"Upon arrival, Sidious declared the Sith brothers to be his rivals. In an intense duel, he killed Savage and toyed with Maul, ultimately deciding not to kill his former apprentice."

-- StarWars.com: Biography Gallery

The sources literally contradict each other, LMAO. "Intense" doesn't mean Sidious was pushed, as Filoni clarified in your other quote:

Versus this:

"Well, that was definitely one of our biggest challenges, Maul and Savage versus Sidious, because we wanted to have an epic lightsaber fight. We hadn’t really had a big one in awhile, and I really thought this is our chance to show everyone why Sidious is the Sith Lord. Why no one can compete with this guy."

-- Dave Filoni

Filoni literally says no one - presumably no Sith - can compete with Sidious. Hell, the fight literally starts with Sheev ragdolling the two of them, laughing as he toys with them and then when Savage manages to knock him off the balcony he yanks them helplessly after him before one-shotting Maul with a single Force push as well as ragdolling him at the end. Try harder.

1- Savage learned to use his rage due to Dooku's lesson, that's the end of it. Stop making up lame excuses like ''rage amped''...

2- Your answer to the Ventress comparison is irrelevant with what I asked, one is talking casually with Grievous, and the other is ordering Ventress's death because of Rule of Two, Filoni later said Sidious didn't care about Ventress, he just wanted to keep Dooku in check.

3- Those 5 legends quotes are outdated and it was before the people learned TPM Maul was actually powerful enough to survive a bisection, which supersedes Dooku's feats. Plus, they didn't know anything about Dooku's weaknesses to kinetic based attacks and unpredictability until TCW. We've learned all of that later. Even Sidious said Maul was a loss but Dooku wasn't, that's new as well. See the difference in here. The latest sources such as AEYNTK Top 5 list states Maul > Dooku. As well as the writer of Son of Dathomir, Jeremy Barlow states Maul beats Dooku for a majority, even though Dooku could be more powerful in the Force.

4- So you didn't pick one, and continued to deny the recent and official sources which states Savage Opress bested Dooku in a lightsaber combat? Not surprised.

5- You mean where ultra super amped Obi-Wan uses the territory to gain advantage against Maul after running away from them? Yeah here;

"The two Sith maneuvered to pin Obi-Wan against the wall -- but there was so little room in the corridor that they got in each other's way." - Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy.

6- Amplifications > fighting prowess in Star Wars. Matt Martin confirmed that, no wonder Rey with zero lightsaber training was able to beat a fully trained ''Jedi Hunter'' Kylo Ren after seeing Han Solo's death. Or Kanan defeated the Grand Inquisitor due to believing that Ezra died, then he lost to Seventh Sister when he wasn't amped. Another example is Luke vs. Vader. Obi-Wan losing Qui-Gon was an extra ordinary amplification for already Jedi Knight level Kenobi, and he always used that amp against Maul whenever they faced with each other, it's a special thing between them. You can't compare Obi-Wan's usual state when he fights with Dooku in comparison to his amped state which he always uses against Maul. Ragdolling amped TCW S5 Kenobi > Ragdolling regular state RotS Kenobi.

7- Lol, you're a bad troll as you just argued against Lord tenetroll, that guy is a Maul hater and argues for Dooku in here, you just misunderstood what he said. :))) Too much of an evidence.

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#4 Posted by Erkan12 (8391 posts) - - Show Bio

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0- Maul is the hardest guy to kill. A lot more harder than Dooku and Grievous combined.

1- If using non-canon arts is your best counter, then you're doomed and Maul solos this thread.

2- Lady Tano will run away from Maul even if she catches him off guard or not.

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#5 Posted by Erkan12 (8391 posts) - - Show Bio

@dc77 said:

@erkan12: Actually, I thought it was obvious that Sidious couldn't toy with Maul when Maul kicked Sidious in the duel but fanboys are doing their fanboy thing.

What happened straight after? Oh yeah Sidious stopped joking around and Maul was subsequently ended in seconds and TK ragdolled like a bitch.

Is this Jacensolo77?

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@lord_tenebrous said:

Maul has zero chance whatsoever.

This:

"Yoda and Dooku were almost equals, with the little Jedi Master having perhaps a slight edge over his former padawan."

-- The Official Relaunched Star Wars Fact File #34

Another desperate attempt from a fanboy.

If you want to bullshit about Dooku by using legends sources then accept that Maul almost defeated Sidious in a duel when Maul was wounded and starving;

''Maul's final test as a Sith apprentice occurred on an isolated Outer Rim World. Abandoned there by Darth Sidious, he was told that he had to survive on his own until Sidious returned a month later, all the while being hunted by hordes of deadly assassin droids. Maul fought as best as he could, but exhaustion and hunger finally took their toll, and one of the tireless droids finally wounded him badly enough that he felt he could not go on.

At that point, Darth Sidious returned and challenged his apprentice to a lightsaber duel, telling Maul that he had secretly been training a second apprentice in case Maul failed his final test-which, by failing to kill Sidious in the duel, he just had. Anger and hatred welled up in Maul, and he drew renewed strength from the dark side. Hurling himself at Darth Sidious, he nearly bested his master with a flurry of deadly lightsaber blows. Sidious barely deflected them all. Eventually Maul spent his fury, and Darth Sidious still stood. Maul prepared himself for death-but Sidious only laughed. By giving in to his rage and hatred to kill his own master-by wanting to kill his own master-Maul had in fact passed the final test. Now he was a Sith Lord-Darth Maul, Dark Lord of the Sith.''

Star Wars: Darkside Sourcebook

Or how Maul defeated Vader who is far better than Dooku.

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Dooku fanboys are making up excuses like Maul was illusion or something while the writer Ron Marz specifically says he was not an illusion.

To think that Yoda and Dooku are equals... :)))

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Dooku was ''no match''.

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Latest sources states Yoda is TWO TIMES more powerful than Dooku.

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@lord_tenebrous said:

Versus this:

"Well, that was definitely one of our biggest challenges, Maul and Savage versus Sidious, because we wanted to have an epic lightsaber fight. We hadn’t really had a big one in awhile, and I really thought this is our chance to show everyone why Sidious is the Sith Lord. Why no one can compete with this guy."

-- Dave Filoni

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Versus this:

"Upon arrival, Sidious declared the Sith brothers to be his rivals. In an intense duel, he killed Savage and toyed with Maul, ultimately deciding not to kill his former apprentice."

-- StarWars.com: Biography Gallery

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@tedirey said:

Count Dooku. Few can match his skills and Darth Maul is not one of them.

One needs to combine finesse with pure brute strength which is very rare to have a chance with Dooku.

Try to follow the latest sources.

There are only two duelist who are superior to Maul, and Dooku is not one of them.

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At best, Dooku can put up a good fight as he did against Quinlan Vos, but we all know Maul > Quinlan Vos also. :))

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#7 Edited by Erkan12 (8391 posts) - - Show Bio

Kills all of them except for Vader.

And maybe Obi-Wan can survive again, not because Obi-Wan is skilled enough, it's because Obi-Wan is amped against Maul whenever he fights with him. (due to killing Qui-Gon)

@dawn_of_ages said:

"Great" and "holding back" aren't mutually exclusive.

That's just like Erkan claiming Sidious wasn't toying with Maul and Savage just because the Databank says their duel was "intense."

Actually, I thought it was obvious that Sidious couldn't toy with Maul when Maul kicked Sidious in the duel but fanboys are doing their fanboy thing.

Maul performed better than Dooku against Mace Windu after all.

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#8 Posted by Erkan12 (8391 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecgelsv said:

@erkan12: He's an android and he couldn't use any of his senses to detect that an 8 foot alien with street level reflexes was behind him? Sounds like a jobber to me. Billy knew he was virtually invincible and just didn't care.You're the one who's trolling if you think Vision can react to Shazam.

Lmao, no he didn't know. He just learned that after getting shot.

Go watch the movie before talking here.

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#9 Edited by Erkan12 (8391 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer said:

I wonder if any can argue SW anymore without bringing up TCW in some capacity.

It's a perfect demonstration on how Dooku vs Maul would end.

Maul and Savage are from the same clan and they are using the same weapons, Savage is probably better in terms physicality but Maul is much more skilled. Thus Maul would also beat Dooku.

Using an emotionally amped Kenobi is a terrible idea for this battle, as we know in Star Wars amplifications are a huge factor confirmed by Matt Martin. Rey with zero lightsaber training beat Ben Solo just because she was amped due to losing Han Solo.

Considering already Jedi Knight level Kenobi's capacity as a duelist, and considering the Kenobi's amplification after losing Qui-Gon, Maul still disarming Kenobi in a duel is a great accomplishment.

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#10 Posted by Erkan12 (8391 posts) - - Show Bio

No one is denying anything, I guess you can't read like your friend arkham as well. :))