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#1 Edited by Erkan12 (8435 posts) - - Show Bio

@wollfmyth209 said:

@erkan12:

TCW is important to show that TPM Maul was strong enough to survive a bisection.

Pre-TCW sources didn't know that.

Their lack of knowledge on Maul's durability does not indicate a lack of knowledge on Maul's power and skill; that's a fallacy of composition. Maul's death being retconned in no way retcons his standing in juxtaposition to Dooku.

Duh...

It's not durability. :))

Maul literally uses the Force to survive. Filoni even compared to Vader's survival.

''The Force is what holding his body together. So Vader holds on to life at the edge of the lava flow, because he is such a condemned for Obi-Wan, such an anger for whose happens in his life. And that same type of focus, hatred what sustains Maul.''- Dave Filoni, Director of Star Wars Rebels
@wollfmyth209 said:

Pre-TCW sources even states that TPM Maul wasn't a loss for Sidious. Now the new sources states that TPM Maul was a loss to Sidious while Dooku was a proton torpedo.

It wasn't a loss, now that he had Anakin, no. But Dooku being a "proton torpedo" to Sidious' schemes doesn't mean he's worse than Maul.

He learned about Anakin after TPM.

Dooku was always there for Sidious before TPM, as a back-up plan or maybe as an inquisitor we don't know, the new sources states that Dooku was even a darksider before TPM, but not as a Sith apprentice, since Maul was better.

According to Sidious ; Anakin > Maul > Dooku always, he only used Dooku as a proton torpedo.

@wollfmyth209 said:

AEYTKN Top 5 list is a post-TCW source, and it says Maul > Dooku as well. Includes every version.

I'm pretty sure that list(which is worthless anyways, but you cling to it) includes current versions, i.e. Canon TCW Maul and Dooku. It transfering over to TPM Maul is baseless.

It says ''Darth'' Maul, it applies to TPM.

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#2 Edited by Erkan12 (8435 posts) - - Show Bio

Any version except for Endgame wins.

IW Thor stomps.

Endgame might lose it, but even that version has a good reaction feat like dodging from Thanos's blade.

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#3 Posted by Erkan12 (8435 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap with vibranium shield wins.

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@wollfmyth209 said:

Why is TCW Maul being mentioned? This thread is TPM Maul vs Tyranus. And even including TCW Maul, Dookie still wins.

TCW is important to show that TPM Maul was strong enough to survive a bisection.

''This Zabrak was so strong with the Dark Side he survives being cut in two.''

- Starwars. com / Top 10 best villains

Pre-TCW sources didn't know that.

Pre-TCW sources even states that TPM Maul wasn't a loss for Sidious. Now the new sources states that TPM Maul was a loss to Sidious while Dooku was a proton torpedo.

AEYTKN Top 5 list is a post-TCW source, and it says Maul > Dooku as well. Includes every version.

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#5 Posted by Erkan12 (8435 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it would be a better fight if Thanos fights with only one arm. And Thanos still wins with one arm.

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@lord_tenebrous said:

@erkan12:

"So you couldn't handle the defeat and try to wallpaper this thread again huh? Not surprised. :))"

Translation: you got trashed by real sources, couldn't handle it and you're living in denial again. Not surprised.

"Heavily wounded and starving Maul nearly bested TPM Sidious"

No. A massively amped Maul failed to kill Sidious who was half a decade away from TPM. This is especially hilarious given you later say this:

"Do I need to remind you amplifications > fighting prowess in Star Wars?"

-- Erkan12

Cognitive dissonance.

"who was already stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord in the history by Darth Plagueis.| Lmao... TPM Sidious stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord in the history by Darth Plagueis, and together they were able to unbalance the Force by manipulating the midichlorians..."

Oh... I see. We are treating subjective opinions as fact. Gotcha. Well, I can do that too:

"In adolescence, Dooku became the Padawan learner of Thame Cerulian, a Jedi scholar on the Council who called Dooku the finest swordsman he had ever seen."

-- Insider #113

Padawan Dooku > Yoda.

"...'Count Dooku's fall has troubled us all,' Obi-Wan acknowledged. 'Now we have a great and powerful enemy.' His thoughts turned to his battle with Dooku. He had never met such power in battle before. He had never come up against something that had completely overpowered him. Even meeting the Sith Lord who had killed Qui-Gon had not been the same."

-- Legacy of the Jedi

AOTC Dooku >>>>>>> TPM Maul according to that.

"That's better than merely holding his own against Yoda,"

Stalemating AOTC Yoda (who is better than ROTS Yoda who is better than ROTS Sidious) while exhausted is infinitely better than failing to beat a vastly pre-prime Sidious while massively amped.

"who wasn't even using the Force offensively against his former Jedi padawan Dooku."

100% incorrect:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/7uiE9Ny1fUu2GFqw8

Funny how Yoda outright strains to hold off Dooku's lightning, yet the latter is able to easily and instantly deflect it when it was hurled back at him. Yoda is totally way more powerful, sure.

"Maul's best feat against Sidious > Dooku's best feat against Yoda."

Literally the very definition of inane. Maul, with a massive rage amp, attacked his master while the latter was off-guard, still failed to kill him and still lost, and this Sidious was an incarnation five years prior to TPM. Dooku, on the other hand, while already exhausted, matched Yoda for almost 40 seconds, and still remained undefeated. And that Yoda was years superior to the Yoda who was better than ROTS Sidious. That version of Sidious > CW Sidious > AOTC Sidious > TPM Sidious > the Sidious Maul fought.

In short, an amped Maul failed to kill a vastly weaker Sidious than the Sidious Yoda was better than, that version of Yoda being weaker than the Yoda Dooku stalemated while exhausted.

"Dooku was exhausted after defeating AotC Kenobi and AotC Anakin?"

Duh:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SxRvKnRZnTktsTMGA

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PAHzWrQLiRn1z2xT7

"Maul was as fresh as ever after defeating Qui-Gon and extremely amped Kenobi"

Good for him, superb stamina. But irrelevent.

"Maul > Dooku indeed."

Laughable. Dooku has superior feats and accolades in every combative sense bar stamina.

"You're just helping me here."

To cure you of your Maul fanboyism, hopefully.

"That twi'lek Jedi Master is faster than TPM Sidious.... I see you're desperate enough to use Siolomanka now"

Calling the citing of evidence "desperation," then refusing to address said evidence, is pathetic.

"Cut the crap please, no one said anything about Dooku is being on par with Siolomanka, your delusion is hilarious."

You are obviously incapable of following an argument. Not really a surprise. To spell it out, you claim Maul was capable of nearly beating Sidious, and thus, can beat Dooku. Now, ignoring the fact that Maul only did so with a massive rage amp, and when Sidious was vastly pre-prime, this entire feat being beyond Dooku, or even being legitimate, is completely invalidated by the fact that this same version of Maul that could allegedly compete with Sidious, was lolstomped by an obscure Jedi recluse. Jedi Dooku is an established top 3 swordsman in the Order, he is obviously superior to some hermit. So, with your scaling, we get:

Maul ~ Sidious < Siolo < Jedi Dooku

See a problem?

"And now this troll claims Jedi Dooku is on par with Sidious let alone being better"

- Jedi Dooku is one of the most skilled and powerful Jedi in history

- Jedi Dooku is the third most skilled Jedi duelist in galactic history

- Jedi Dooku is superior to all other Jedi in their power prime bar Mace and Yoda as of his tenure as a Jedi

- Jedi Dooku can compete with pre-TPM Yoda in marvelous, "unforgettable" sparring matches

- Jedi Dooku would have become Yoda's equal had he not turned to the Dark Side

- Jedi Dooku was considered by Darth Plagueis to be a suitable replacment for TPM Sidious

But sure, let's pretend (older than Sidious) Jedi Dooku is weaker than ( younger than Dooku) Sidious five years away from TPM. Also:

- Jedi Dooku's inferior apprentice, Qui-Gon, was a near-equal to TPM Maul, with Plagueis even thinking Maul wouldn't be able to beat him

- with your stupid scaling, we get pre-TPM Maul ~ Sidious (allegedly are near equals) << Siolo (stomped that Maul) < TPM Maul (better than the Maul who was a near-equal to Sidious) ~ Qui-Gon (near-equal to TPM Maul) < Jedi Dooku < Count Dooku

"Vader > Anakin > Dooku, according to several official sources"

I love how you say this but then post zero sources showing that Vader > Dooku. Moreover, again, don't care about those sources claiming Vader's potential increased with his injuries. Blatant contraction of GL's statements. Anakin lost his potential, plain and simple. Literally a massive, integral plot point in the entire 1-6 series.

"Good, at least you're admitting that you don't care about the official sources because of your Dooku wankery? Ok I get it"

Somehow I knew you would single out that one line, and ignore the rationalisations following it. No matter, you haven't presented a rebuttal, so I don't need to present a counter. Predictable.

"Are you laughing at an official source now"

Absolutely. Movies > your fanboy sources.

"How many times do I need to educate you Dooku fans? ''Rage'' isn't an excuse for a Dark Sider, it's their usual state. Without their rage, they can't use the Dark Side, learn this basic rule before spreading nonsense. That's how Vader has become more powerful than Anakin."

That's asinine. Dark Siders are always drawing off their negative emotions. Literally how you access the power of the DS. But anyone and everyone can have their emotions increased beyond the norm. And that's an amp. By your logic, Kenobi was not amped on Florrum by his heightened focus. Concentration isn't an excuse for a Light Sider, It's their usual state. Without their focus, they can't use the Light Side, learn this basic rule before spreading nonsense. That's how Obi-Wan defeated Maul.

"Dooku matches nothing, Yoda is a midget and he is the last top tier who can overwhelm his opponents unlike Mace Windu, Sidious or Maul can."

You saying he matches nothing is just you spouting lies and nothing more. An exhausted Dooku matches Yoda's strength right here:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/GyEzAnWFSkVh8rzk6

Yoda >>>>> Savage.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kx4Um2FtHHo5eTw36

https://photos.app.goo.gl/va1iHg8jiyd3mA857

^^ ROTS Yoda, weaker than his AOTC incarnation, overpowers ROTS Sidious in a bladelock, twice.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/m3dVq59uTAzs3uZG6

TCW Sidious, weaker than ROTS Sidious, casually overpowers Savage+Maul in a bladelock.

End of story. Dooku is stronger than Maul. Far stronger, in fact.

"Dooku can't even match with TCW Anakin and Savage Opress, he is no match for Maul in terms strength."

Those shows take a back seat to the films, bud. ROTS Dooku matches the strength of ROTS Obi-Wan+Anakin with one arm. AOTC Dooku while exhausted matches Yoda's strength in a bladelock.

"Obi-Wan never ragdolled Maul and I am sure you don't know what ragdolling means troll. Pushing someone from behind isn't ragdolling."

Ahhhhh... NOW you want to acknowledge context. Double standards, double standards. So I'll just address this as you would if the positions were switched:

Lol you blind Maul fanboy, Kenobi stomped him, he sidestepped his attack and Force Pushed him away stop denying the official sources.

"Oh no, I can hear you crying and denying this source as well.."

Translation: you are deceptively using a non-canon cutscene, and you've been exposed for doing so before, but you're gonna hide behind insults.

"Btw, Obi-Wan was never amped against Dooku, unlike he always was against Maul (since Maul actually did something like killing Qui-Gon)."

Remember, it's not an amp! Kenobi is just using the Force, like anyone can.

That said, prove it. All you've done is posted a quote saying emotions are influential, but you've demonstrated absolutely zero evidence that Kenobi ever let the incident with Qui-Gon influence his emotions aside from the Turtle Tanker duel, which HINDERED him. Filoni flat-out said that Kenobi later collected, readied and calmed himself. You're just lying, as is typical.

"Also none of your links are working, stop (primtive, unintelligent expletive omitted) and wasting my time."

Click on the gif once it loads. It won't play unless you press.

"Stop using those outdated and old sources and see the latest and the new source"

No. You desperately cling to those debunked, contradictory sources because you know that without them, Maul is simply out of his league. Dooku matches and surpasses Maul's best accolades with only his Jedi statements, absolutely humiliates Maul in feats regarding the Force, and has a boatload of superior saber feats.

As per the film/show canon:

- Maul is trash in comparison to Sidious

- exhausted Dooku can fight Yoda to a standstill

- Yoda > Sidious

- Dooku >>>>> Maul

Simple.

"Or you can accept Jeremy Barlow's statement where he says Maul beats Dooku 7 times out of 10, that's a new source as well"

This is absolutely hilarious, especially given that he attributes this to Maul's unwavering determination, not superior combat prowess. Guess what Barlow also says:

"[Maul's] power isn’t on Vader’s level, true, or even on Count Dooku’s level..."

-- Jeremy Barlow

So you just totaled your position. Your precious source doesn't even think Maul and Dooku are in the same tier, power-wise. And author statements aren't even set-in-stone fact.

''Translation: you got trashed by real sources, couldn't handle it and you're living in denial again. Not surprised.''

You're the one denying the real new sources not me. :))

To think that you're desperate enough to go down and use Siolomanka in here...

''No. A massively amped Maul failed to kill Sidious who was half a decade away from TPM. This is especially hilarious given you later say this:''

No to you.

You can't bullshit about a ''rage amp'' when you're talking about the dark siders, learn the basic rules of Star Wars before trying to debate.

So, all you've that ridiculous excuse, nothing more.

''Oh... I see. We are treating subjective opinions as fact. Gotcha. Well, I can do that too:

"In adolescence, Dooku became the Padawan learner of Thame Cerulian, a Jedi scholar on the Council who called Dooku the finest swordsman he had ever seen."

-- Insider #113

Padawan Dooku > Yoda.''

It's not a subjective source when Sidious was clearly the greatest Sith lord who ever lived, while you're using a bullshit.

We all know Dooku is a tier 8, and Yoda is a tier 9, they are not even on the same level.

"...'Count Dooku's fall has troubled us all,' Obi-Wan acknowledged. 'Now we have a great and powerful enemy.' His thoughts turned to his battle with Dooku. He had never met such power in battle before. He had never come up against something that had completely overpowered him. Even meeting the Sith Lord who had killed Qui-Gon had not been the same."

-- Legacy of the Jedi

AOTC Dooku >>>>>>> TPM Maul according to that.''

Too old.

Another outdated source.

Use the new ones.

This source was long before Maul's revival in the Clone Wars.

They didn't even know Maul was powerful enough to survive a bisection by using the dark side.

Outdated sources also states Maul wasn't a lost and he wasn't even a Sith Lord. Are you going to use that OUTDATED sources now? :))

Darth Maul was a loss in the new sources, and Dooku was a proton torpedo, according to Sidious. And he is a more skilled swordsman than Dooku is. Even his apprentice Savage Opress bested him in combat. And later defeated by a newby Dark Sider Quinlan Vos, then stomped by a newby Dark Sider Anakin who is weaker than Darth Vader.

''Stalemating AOTC Yoda (who is better than ROTS Yoda who is better than ROTS Sidious) while exhausted is infinitely better than failing to beat a vastly pre-prime Sidious while massively amped.

"who wasn't even using the Force offensively against his former Jedi padawan Dooku."

100% incorrect:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/7uiE9Ny1fUu2GFqw8

Funny how Yoda outright strains to hold off Dooku's lightning, yet the latter is able to easily and instantly deflect it when it was hurled back at him. Yoda is totally way more powerful, sure.''

Once again you're using outdated sources.

Some outdated sources contradicts with each other, but hell no you can't find any in the new ones. The new ones clearly states that Yoda is X2 times more powerful than Dooku. That's the end of it.

Yoda was simply redirecting Dooku's own attack, he never tried use a Force push on Dooku as he used on Sidious, who is at least x2 times than him as well.

''Literally the very definition of inane. Maul, with a massive rage amp, attacked his master while the latter was off-guard, still failed to kill him and still lost, and this Sidious was an incarnation five years prior to TPM. Dooku, on the other hand, while already exhausted, matched Yoda for almost 40 seconds, and still remained undefeated. And that Yoda was years superior to the Yoda who was better than ROTS Sidious. That version of Sidious > CW Sidious > AOTC Sidious > TPM Sidious > the Sidious Maul fought.

In short, an amped Maul failed to kill a vastly weaker Sidious than the Sidious Yoda was better than, that version of Yoda being weaker than the Yoda Dooku stalemated while exhausted.''

A: Rage isn't an amp for a darksider, that's why they are darksiders. It's one of the main rules of Star Wars kiddo. :))

B: Sidious not being on his prime is irrelevant. That's Sidious, still a top-tier, still can match with the likes of Plagueis or Yoda.

C: Dooku being exhausted against AotC Kenobi and AotC Anakin is so hilarious and that's only because Dooku is weaker than Maul, not for anything else. :))

D: Maul was wounded and starving, obviously in a worse condition, performed better against Sidious than Dooku performed against Yoda who was holding back against his former Jedi padawan, and Dooku used hostages to escape at the end.

Your arguments are weak and outdated as always.

''Good for him, superb stamina. But irrelevent. Laughable. Dooku has superior feats and accolades in every combative sense bar stamina. To cure you of your Maul fanboyism, hopefully.''

Hahaha.

Clearly this is a proof THAT you've lost it but still denying the truth.

You just admitted that Maul > Dooku in terms of stamina, but you think that doesn't apply to their Force reserves?

Sure, whatever makes you happy. :))

''You are obviously incapable of following an argument. Not really a surprise. To spell it out, you claim Maul was capable of nearly beating Sidious, and thus, can beat Dooku. Now, ignoring the fact that Maul only did so with a massive rage amp, and when Sidious was vastly pre-prime, this entire feat being beyond Dooku, or even being legitimate, is completely invalidated by the fact that this same version of Maul that could allegedly compete with Sidious, was lolstomped by an obscure Jedi recluse. Jedi Dooku is an established top 3 swordsman in the Order, he is obviously superior to some hermit. So, with your scaling, we get:

Maul ~ Sidious < Siolo < Jedi Dooku

See a problem?

"And now this troll claims Jedi Dooku is on par with Sidious let alone being better"

- Jedi Dooku is one of the most skilled and powerful Jedi in history

- Jedi Dooku is the third most skilled Jedi duelist in galactic history

- Jedi Dooku is superior to all other Jedi in their power prime bar Mace and Yoda as of his tenure as a Jedi

- Jedi Dooku can compete with pre-TPM Yoda in marvelous, "unforgettable" sparring matches

- Jedi Dooku would have become Yoda's equal had he not turned to the Dark Side

- Jedi Dooku was considered by Darth Plagueis to be a suitable replacment for TPM Sidious

But sure, let's pretend (older than Sidious) Jedi Dooku is weaker than ( younger than Dooku) Sidious five years away from TPM. Also''

Here how I debunk your pre-TPM fanboy theories;

Dooku was already in contact with the dark side before TPM and the Sith according to the new sources, and it means that Sidious was already planning to take Jedi Dooku as an INQUISITOR, or some kind of a special dark sider but not his as his real apprentice, since Maul was the real apprentice of Sidious. Sidious already knew about Dooku long before TPM. So it means that pre-TPM Sidious was both powerful enough to take Jedi Dooku as his own servant, and still keep Darth Maul as his real Sith apprentice.

Satisfied? :))

''I love how you say this but then post zero sources showing that Vader > Dooku. Moreover, again, don't care about those sources claiming Vader's potential increased with his injuries. Blatant contraction of GL's statements. Anakin lost his potential, plain and simple. Literally a massive, integral plot point in the entire 1-6 series.''

Vader's skills as a lightsaber user, and his abilities as a Force user obviously increased a lot after wearing that suit, he didn't forget his skills when he was Anakin, and he is more powerful due to cybernetics, and he has better Force reserves, and more powerful in the Force.

The new source already stated that Vader is even more skilled than Sidious.

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Vader never lost his skills as a swordsman, on the contrary, it's natural to say that he is more skilled than Anakin as he is even more skilled than Sidious after wearing that armor.

And yeah, it also says Maul > Dooku which you deny it by using outdated sources.

''That's asinine. Dark Siders are always drawing off their negative emotions. Literally how you access the power of the DS. But anyone and everyone can have their emotions increased beyond the norm. And that's an amp. By your logic, Kenobi was not amped on Florrum by his heightened focus. Concentration isn't an excuse for a Light Sider, It's their usual state. Without their focus, they can't use the Light Side, learn this basic rule before spreading nonsense. That's how Obi-Wan defeated Maul.''

Kenobi's focus was heightened on Florrum because Adi Gallia died, and before that Qui-Gon. That's the difference. :))

''You saying he matches nothing is just you spouting lies and nothing more. An exhausted Dooku matches Yoda's strength right here:''

Hahaha. We already know Savage disarmed Dooku and bested him in combat, Yoda's style was never meant to be for physical strength, it's for speed and movement.

And even then, midget Yoda, the last top-tier who uses physical strength in duels, overpowers Dooku in a bladelock with a smile on his face. :))

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If midget Yoda with a shorter lightsaber can do this, what Mace Windu and Sidious would do?

Another stomp like Anakin or gets disarmed easily, as Savage Opress disarmed Dooku.

''Absolutely. Movies > your fanboy sources.''

Dear troll, this is not a fanboy source...

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After all, even Gillard clearly said Dooku is a tier 8, and Yoda is a tier 9. There is a clear difference between them. The new sources states that Yoda is 2 times more powerful. 2X TIMES. Yet somehow you believe Dooku could match with Yoda... :))

''TCW Sidious, weaker than ROTS Sidious, casually overpowers Savage+Maul in a bladelock.

End of story. Dooku is stronger than Maul. Far stronger, in fact.''

This is a really bad trolling attempt,

-Sidious isn't a midget

-He doesn't use a tiny lightsaber

He uses more physical strength in lightsaber combats in comparison with midget Yoda who utilizes Ataru which depends on acrobatic movements and agility.

And saying that TCW Sidious is weaker than RotS Sidious is completely baseless as well, not surprised since you're really really desperate right now. :))

''This is absolutely hilarious, especially given that he attributes this to Maul's unwavering determination, not superior combat prowess. Guess what Barlow also says:''

This is even better, :)) Jeremy Barlow believes Maul can beat Dooku for a majority even though he thinks Dooku is more powerful in the Force. Maul is clearly more skilled than him otherwise he can't fill the gap between in their Force powers.

Even then, as you just unwillingly admitted Maul's Force reserves > Dooku's Force reserves, he is stronger, and more skilled, and a very bad match-up for Dooku's own stubborn makashi as it was against Savage Opress.

Dooku loses badly in here, plain and simple.

@wollfmyth209 said:

Decided by multiple sources: Tyranus wins.

All of them are outdated sources which was long before Maul's revival in the Clone Wars.

New sources: Maul clearly wins and takes the majority.

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#7 Posted by Erkan12 (8435 posts) - - Show Bio

@death4bunnies said:
@petey_is_spidey said:

@death4bunnies: Again, 1 second is still a massive lowball, seeing as none of the heroes moved AT ALL once Supes knocked out flash. Even if they were only acceleraying due to gravity, they would still have traveled nearly 10 meters. You're lowballing out the wazoo.

And like I said, Superman let Steppenwolf touch him because free posed absoultely no threat. He was already pretty much subdued and Clark realized that he vastly outclassed him. Thus even if Steppenwolf got a hand on him, it would be no big deal. That being said, as indicated by how easily he dofged Steppenwolf's punch, if Clark DIDNT WANT Steppenwolf to touch him, he wouldn't.

Thor is just vastly too slow to touch Clark, even if Clark is only 6x as fast. Get over it

The only way Thor sets a finger on Superman is if Superman lets him or Superman fights like a complete boob.

Superman has been grabbed and can be grabbed and sometimes grabs much slower characters than himself; I do not believe him to be a competent speedster(tho he has the potential) he has poor battle field awareness, and virtually zero skill.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Ive made my case.

What case have you made???? All you've done was

  1. Make outlandish calculations which simply CANNOT be true, even if we're being as conservative as possible with our numbers
  2. Point to an instance in which Steppenwolf grabs Superman, without taking into account that Superman had that fight in the bag. Steppenwolf posed absolutely zero of a threat, and as previously shown, if Superman didn't want Steppenwolf to touch him, Steppenwolf wouldn't. I mean, what did you expect Superman to do when Steppenwolf grabbed him? Let go? For what? He was trying to throw him.
Are you just going to continue to ignore this? This scene literally flies in the face of your entire argument.
Are you just going to continue to ignore this? This scene literally flies in the face of your entire argument.

Steppenwolf had two opportunities to tag Supes, and didn't come close to touching him on either.

Gotta love the part where you conveniently leave out the part where Superman proceeds to launch Steppenwolf into the wall
Gotta love the part where you conveniently leave out the part where Superman proceeds to launch Steppenwolf into the wall

Outside of Kryptonians, who has grabbed Superman? The slowest character to grab him was Nam-Ek, and that was against a young, inexperienced Clark that was focused on Faora; but even then, Nam-Ek's speed>>Thor's.

You're argument doesn't hold water. It's based off of laughable lowballs and simply stating that Thor can tag Superman without any proof. And the one instance you point to of Superman being grabbed is against a character who posed zero of a threat. Again, it's like me grabbing the neck of a 4 year old, him proceeding to grab my arm, and you concluding that I can be tagged by a toddler. That's simply a non sequitur.

I'm sorry, but your argument is pathetically weak.

I mean at least most people who say Thor will win make an argument like "lightning cloak (even though Superman wouldn't even be phased by Thor's lightning cloak)" or "Thor's simply too durable (even though his blunt force durability is clearly not up to par)", but this has to be the first time I've heard someone seriously try to argue that Thor can actually tag Superman.

A lot of people.

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#8 Edited by Erkan12 (8435 posts) - - Show Bio

@katanalauncher said:

Also what about Thano's feat of deflecting lightbeams with spinning blade like this?

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Should be FTL unless someone want to argue the speed of lightbeams being under lightspeed

No, I don't think so.

Thanos's sword was much larger than the one you use it there.

Though Thanos is insanely skilled and I would say he can react to supersonic speeds.

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#9 Edited by Erkan12 (8435 posts) - - Show Bio

@mygod101 said:
@lord_tenebrous said:

@mygod101:

It's been repeatedly stated that suit-Vader would never surpass Sidious. He lost that potential on Mustafar. And we know as per Lucas that organic Vader/Anakin can't even compete with Sidious, only Mace and Yoda can. Only Yoda, Luke, and Mace are capable of beating Sidious, not Vader.

GL stated that Anakin, Yoda, and Mace are the only ones who can defeat the Emperor. Your post is meaningless because Vader already beat Sidious.

Vader would have and was going to surpassed Sidious, it already proved when he was gaining him even after Sidious suppressed him.

GL said Anakin could defeat him if he didn't lose his potential. But he lost that at Mustafar.

GL then said, Vader was at best %80 of Sidious's power. It's better than the difference between Dooku and Yoda (Dooku is %50 of Yoda).

Vader surpassed RotS Anakin in LotS, but it was still not enough to compete with the Emperor.

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#10 Edited by Erkan12 (8435 posts) - - Show Bio

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It looks like another dupe account to me...

People aren't buying these dupe troll accounts. Especially I don't. So stop talking about ''we'', no one knows you on this site.

And read the thread from the beginning, you can see how many people say Maul wins. Even the writer of SoD comic book said Maul wins, that's a fact. And even Savage Opress bested Dooku in a lightsaber combat, that's another fact. Stop wasting my time with your dupe account.