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#1 Posted by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12:

Legends have tons of materials about the Force which is not exaggerated like the way that video games TFU and TOR have. It's not about the Legends, it's about the consistency amongst the average SW Force users, in TFU, a fodder like Kota can use Force feats on Maul's and Dooku's caliber, which is silly and thus it deserves to be ignored.

What feats does Kota have to put him on Maul or Dooku's level? Regardless you haven't articulated why they're exaggerated other than saying it. I mean AOTC Anakin a low tier force user moved a Dreadnought with ease in the OCW comics and Maul scales laughably far above that. That feat Anakin performed is incredibly exaggerated. Regardless you haven't refuted my point at all. I pointed out that the statement is in relation to TOR and TFU vs the films not them vs Legends. And using Kota as an example is flawed because he doesn't even have feats on par with Anakin's Dreadnought feat and AOTC Anakin is incredibly low tier force power wise.

A TFU/TOR fanboy like you could easily put a fodder like Kota to Maul's and Dooku's level by only showing his feat of ripping of a very large command center by using TK only.

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That's what using ''exaggerated'' Force feats is, and that's what generally TOR fanboys like @darthant66 do.

Your AotC Anakin example is a perfect one, if TFU and TOR fanboys can assume that people like Failkorion and Revan can one-shot Maul, then we can easily assume that Maul and Dooku are above of AotC Anakin who can move a Dreadnought by using TK, so they can contend with those video-game only guys.

If Kota was anything like that powerful, then we would heard his name in any different material in the Clone Wars era, but we didn't.

Maybe because he's not... He doesn't even have feats on par with AOTC Anakin lmao.

Not really. Ripping off a large command center with TK would do.

This is what people are complaning about, obviously it's either hard for you to understand this simple fact or you're simply a too much of a fanboy of those games.

Or your just salty because a few of their high tiers are vastly beyond what Maul could hope to be?

More like you're delusional to think those old relics can win against the superior generation of Sith Lords.

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And I wasn't talking about Maul especially, I was talking about generally. Are you triggered? Since you started to talk about Maul as if you can achieve something by using it?

That's Sidious, the strongest being who came as the latest production of the RoT Banite Sith Line, and he had prep and rituels to do that, and DE Sidious was even more powerful than his previous self, plus he couldn't fully control that Force storms and it was his undoing at the end.

He didn't use rituals to do that lmao. Also I can easily use other feats from other characters. Such as KF Vader warping reality and Plagueis influencing the Force on a galactic scale. There is so much exaggeration in Legends and arguing it all comes from TFU and TOR is disengenuous.

I don't remember anything ridiculous from OCW.

No AOTC Anakin who is a trash tier force user lifting a Dreadnought isn't ridiculous at all. Neither is Mace soloing an army of battle droids with his bare hands. Please stop acting like TFU and TOR exaggerate the force the most. Other pieces of Legends Material do so as well.

Except they are not exaggerations.

Maybe Failkorion and Revan are trash tier and AotC Anakin isn't?

You think I asked that ''exaggerated'' question to a member of Lucasfilm group?

No. It's you and a select few who can't accept that some characters from TOR and TFU are freakishly powerful like some characters from the PT and other eras. You can't accept that someone like Valkorion can one shot Maul.

I don't even know who asked that question.

I'm aware.

I was saying this long ago and now someone finally approved that idea.

No one approved that idea... As I pointed out Matt Martin was talking about TOR and TFU in relation to the movies not Legends.

''a select few who can't accept that some characters from TOR and TFU are freakishly powerful like some characters from the PT and other eras.''

... Right

I think George Lucas, a.k.a creater of the frigging SW universe doesn't believe that. The guy literally said that the prime of the Jedi was Ep.I which is much superior to that era, or the RoT Sith which has become much more powerful through 1.000 years, or even Bane stated to be more powerful than Failkorion due to the Sith scaling... Let's forget all of that just because of those video game Kota style Force feats and say that they are more powerful than the prime of the Jedi and Sith... Right.

No it's just you whining and highballing TFU & TOR characters who are insignificant to the main franchise SW characters such as Maul.

Valkorion is insignificant to Maul. Oh dear...

Of course, Failkorion is even weaker than Bane... Don't compare him to a legend like Maul who is inferior only to Sidious and Vader.

I don't have time to educate you, find it yourself.

Great to know you can't back up your claims...

That was not a claim, that's a fact,

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Hey look, based on video-game Force feats scaling; Kenobi can beat Dooku by using TK, and Failkorion can one-shot Maul, and Kota can rip off a giant command center.

Yeah, TOR and TFU consistent with exaggerating the Force, let's say if a character like Kenobi appears in one of these games, he would start to lift dreadnoughts with ease.

He already can per scaling massively above AOTC Anakin. Your delusional view on TOR is honestly astounding. Arguing we can't put characters from it up against Maul is just honestly ridiculous unless of course it's high tiers like Arcann, Vaylin, Revan, The Outlander and Valkorion ect.

Not unless they can actually do something on the same platforms that Maul did.

You're salty because of your favorite video game characters are officially approved as exaggerated by a Lucasfilm story group member, if Maul appears in one of these games he would kill that Failkorian and Revan ;)

Him killing Revan or Valkorion is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard.

  1. As I already outlined to you Matt Martin's quote is comparing there force feats to the movies not Legends which you have yet to refute.
  2. Oh yes Valkorion will lick his shoes despite being intended to be the Sidious of his time with feats that blow Maul's out of the water and are honestly on a similair tier to TFU-ROTJ Sidious. Seems legit. Revan who is Plagueis tier dying to Maul is also asinine and deserves to be treated as such.

Someone who is weaker than Bane has no business with beating the latest generation Sith lords, that includes Dooku as well.

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@arkhamasylum3 said:

@erkan12:

Not every Legends source has ''exaggerated'' Force feats, which is why TFU and TOR are special in that regard.

... Seriously? You literally posted a quote that says otherwise. He specifically said anything that doesn't align with the films is exaggerated and that is what he was using as a measurement for TFU being exaggerated. This isn't proof that they're exaggerated within Legends but rather that they're exaggerated when compared to the films.

Legends have tons of materials about the Force which are not exaggerated like the way that video games TFU and TOR have. It's not about the Legends, it's about the consistency amongst the average SW Force users, in TFU, a fodder like Kota can use Force feats on Maul's and Dooku's caliber, which is silly and thus it deserves to be ignored.

If Kota was anything like that powerful, then we would hear his name in a different material in the Clone Wars era, but we didn't. This is what people are complaining about, obviously it's either hard for you to understand this simple fact or you're simply a too much of a fanboy of those games.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

Even amongst the Legends sources, they are simply using exaggerated Force feats.

No they're not. DE had Sidious threatening to destroy all of the galaxy with Force Storms IIRC. And the OCW Series had some pretty ridiculous stuff as well.

That's Sidious, the strongest being who came as the latest production of the RoT Banite Sith Line, and he had prep and rituels to do that, and DE Sidious was even more powerful than his previous self, plus he couldn't fully control that Force storms and it was his undoing at the end.

I don't remember anything ridiculous from OCW.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

This is something people said even before the Legends and Canon separation, TFU and TOR simply uses the Force too much in order the impress the video game users by using visual effects. It's not about the Legends or Canon.

"People said." Lmao. No it's just you whining because some of TOR characters can one shot Maul.

You think I asked that ''exaggerated'' question to a member of Lucasfilm group? I don't even know who asked that question. I was saying this long ago and now someone finally approved that idea. No it's just you whining and highballing TFU & TOR characters who are insignificant to the main franchise SW characters such as Maul.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

People don't use Kenobi's Force push over Dooku (and Kenobi won the duel because of that Force push) for that reason, it's not because it's Legends, it's because the video game feats are mostly inconsistent and exaggerated sometimes, especially TFU and TOR does that all the time.

What are you talkig about? Which game? Also TOR and TFU are perfectly consistent. And you've yet to prove they're exaggerated.

I don't have time to educate you, find it yourself.

Yeah, TOR and TFU consistent with exaggerating the Force, let's say if a character like Kenobi appears in one of these games, he would start to lift dreadnoughts with ease.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

Look, obviously you're biased and you're not going to accept the fact that they have exaggerated Force feats, so let's agree to disagree, as far as I am concerned using TFU and TOR feats against the other SW characters who never showed up in the same platform is not fair and I will reconsider their Force powers when it comes to a battle, plain and simple.

Salty Revan and Valkorion one shot Maul?

;)

You're salty because of your favorite video game characters are officially approved as exaggerated by a Lucasfilm story group member, if Maul appears in one of these games he would kill that Failkorian and Revan ;)

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@arkhamasylum3 said:

@erkan12:

So using feats from TFU and TOR platforms -they have officially ''exaggerated'' Force feats- against other SW characters who never showed up in TFU and TOR platforms is perfectly fair for you, you've a quite different understanding on what's fair and what's not.

Apparently you have difficulty reading. He said anything that isn't in line with the movies is exaggerated which is 98 percent of Legends. He's not a very reliable source when to prove anything when he considers most of Legends exaggerated is he?

Not every Legends source has ''exaggerated'' Force feats, which is why TFU and TOR are special in that regard. Even amongst the Legends sources, they are simply using exaggerated Force feats. This is something people said even before the Legends and Canon separation, TFU and TOR simply uses the Force too much in order the impress the video game users by using visual effects. It's not about the Legends or Canon.

People don't use Kenobi's Force push over Dooku (and Kenobi won the duel because of that Force push) for that reason, it's not because it's Legends, it's because the video game feats are mostly inconsistent and exaggerated sometimes, especially TFU and TOR does that all the time.

Look, obviously you're biased and you're not going to accept the fact that they have exaggerated Force feats, so let's agree to disagree, as far as I am concerned using TFU and TOR feats against the other SW characters who never showed up in the same platform is not fair and I will reconsider their Force powers when it comes to a battle, plain and simple.

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@arkhamasylum3 said:

@erkan12:

You can use these characters against other TFU / SWTOR characters, no one argues with that.

What I am saying that using a TFU / TOR character against a non-TFU/TOR character isn't fair and you know it.

It's perfectly fair.

So using feats from TFU and TOR platforms -they have officially ''exaggerated'' Force feats- against other SW characters who never showed up in TFU and TOR platforms is perfectly fair for you, you've a quite different understanding on what's fair and what's not.

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#5 Edited by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

Maul exhausted Qui-Gon simply because he is more powerful and more skilled,

A young and rage amped Kenobi also exhausted himself in that fight, it didn't matter.

''OBI-WAN screams as the pulsing electron gate opens, and the SITH LORD attacks him. The DARK LORD is relentless in his assault on the young JEDI. DARTH MAUL seems to have the upper hand as OBI-WAN grows weary. DARTH MAUL catches OBI-WAN off guard, and the JEDI slips into a melting pit.''

Source: The Phantom Menace Script

''The Sith Lord attacked Obi-Wan relentlessly, backing him around the melting pit. All Obi-Wan's efforts could not break through his guard. And Obi-Wan was tiring, while his opponent seemed as fresh as ever. The Sith Lord was on him before he could recover his balance. With a mighty stroke, the Sith knocked the young Jedi into the melting pit.''

Source: The Phantom Menace Junior Novelization
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#7 Edited by Erkan12 (8254 posts) - - Show Bio

Jinn.

He trained one of the most skilled Jedi in the history, and trained by Dookie, according to Gillard all of them are coming from the same line ; Yoda - Dooku - Qui-Gon - Obi-Wan - Anakin, While Qui-Gon is the weakest link here, he can't be too far from them, even old Ben Kenobi used that Qui-Gon trick to take down his arch-enemy for the last time, he is one of the best sword fighter in the order, he is better than Bondara, AotC Kenobi, he wins this.

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@arkhamasylum3 said:

@erkan12: It's WIS now lmao. Then there is no way to use these characters because there simply isn't other evidence to go off. You're essentially calling the characters WIS because you don't like their feats. There is plenty of EU material which potrays characters far more outlandishly than TFU or TOR. He basically said anything outside of the movies is exaggerated unless it adheres to the movies rules (which is pretty retarded since none of Legends does). You're essentially dismssing entire segments and eras of the lore because of non existent WIS...

You can use these characters against other TFU / SWTOR characters, no one argues with that.

What I am saying that using a TFU / TOR character against a non-TFU/TOR character isn't fair and you know it.

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@arkhamasylum3 said:

@erkan12:

Kenobi wasn't amped, on the contrary, there are direct statements that Kenobi was emotionally hindered, the guy couldn't even finish off Anakin at the end, and he fought in that emotionaly sad and crying state.

Can't be bothered to explain this so I'll leave it to this blog (link).

That blog nothing proves, lmao. Why people in CV still ignorantly use other people's blog to justify their arguments? Haven't we passed that when Mace Windu confirmed as a victor against Sidious... :))

Confirmation on why Kenobi wasn't amped against Anakin;

''Obi-Wan was a Master of the Jedi arts, true, but even if his fatal duel with Anakin hadn't expended him to his mental and physical limits, his failed supersonic flight from the Dark Jedi and the wound he'd suffered dueling Fomadu had depleted not just his body but his Force reserves. Even Qui-Gon had fallen to a Sith apprentice under less duress.''

Source: Lone Wolf: A Tale of Obi-Wan and Luke

Can we move on now?

@arkhamasylum3 said:

There are also multiple examples on how other Jedi held back against their former apprentices, against their former Jedi friends; Mace Windu held back against Sora and Vos, Yoda held back against Dookie, Anakin held back against Ahsoka in TCW,

Good for them. Kenobi was a different case as the blog establishes.

Kenobi is even more emotional than Mace Windu and Yoda, to think that he wouldn't be hindered against his former apprentice while they were is kind of ridiculous.

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Gillard was just being inconsistent, and he said Anakin didn't mentally surpass Kenobi, a tier 8, which is a proof that Anakin has never been as good as other tier 9 fighters like Sidious and Yoda.

Anakin not being on the same level mentally is an entirely different thing from physically and I'm talking asbout the former. I literally noted in my last post that Anakin's mental shackles have always been a problem. However in a fight he could most certainly equal Yoda and Sidious and I'd argue he could beat the former.

Gillard himself says it's not only about the style, it's also mental. Meaning that mentality is comparable to how good you're at one style. If Anakin isn't mentally a tier 9, then he is a pseudo tier 9, and essentially a tier 8.

Even Vader never reached Sidious's and Yoda's level, and we've many sources on how Vader actually surpassed Anakin in the Force.

@arkhamasylum3 said:

We've also another confirmation from Yoda, who said Kenobi wasn't powerful enough to take on the Emperor, but he was powerful enough to take on Anakin in Ep.3

That's not what Yoda said lol. Yoda sent Obi Wan to fight Anakin because he has advantages over his former apprentice that he doesn't have against Sidious. Yoda went to confront Sidious because Obi Wan couldn't whereas with Anakin it was an entirely different matter. They had no idea how stron Anakin was meanwhile they'd seen Sidious execute 3 masters in the span of about 5 seconds and then finish Mace (the second strongest Jedi in the order).

Yoda's decision was the smartest. They didn't know whether Obi Wan could defeat Anakin but they knew he most certainly would be killed quickly by Sidious.

You just made that shit up, Yoda never said Obi-Wan had any special advantage against Anakin, he just sends him to Anakin. He just said Obi-Wan isn't powerful enough to take on ''this Lord Sidious'' , and he sends him to deal with a weaker Sith. That's why.

Yoda had a plenty of ideas how powerful Anakin was, he has seen the Jedi security records just as Obi-Wan has.

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@arkhamasylum3 said:
@samtheg said:

@darthant66: Yet he failed to stomp Obi Wan on Mustafar. Hindered or not a Yoda/Sidious level character should be able to stomp someone on the same caliber as Kenobi. Unless you want to argue Mustafar Obi Wan is a Yoda/Sidious level force user too?

Kenobi was ludicrously amped and Anakin was hindered as you yourself have stated. Anakin's mental shackles have always been a problem for him and it's no different here. Gillard specifically stated that Obi Wan won due to his mental edge and that fight happening the way it did is much more for story reasons than anything else. KF Vader is specifically outlined by both Gillard and Lucas to be a Yoda/Sidious level thread and to argue otherwise is going against Directorial intent and the entire G-Canon system.

Kenobi wasn't amped, on the contrary, there are direct statements that Kenobi was emotionally hindered, the guy couldn't even finish off Anakin at the end, and he fought in that emotionaly sad and crying state.

There are also multiple examples on how other Jedi held back against their former apprentices, against their former Jedi friends; Mace Windu held back against Sora and Vos, Yoda held back against Dookie, Anakin held back against Ahsoka in TCW,

Gillard was just being inconsistent, and he said Anakin didn't mentally surpass Kenobi, a tier 8, which is a proof that Anakin has never been as good as other tier 9 fighters like Sidious and Yoda.

We've also another confirmation from Yoda, who said Kenobi wasn't powerful enough to take on the Emperor, but he was powerful enough to take on Anakin in Ep.3