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@jedisympathiz3r said:

Tier 7: Savage should be above TCW S1-S3 Anakin because S3 Anakin is a peer of Ventress still,

TCW S1 Anakin fought with Dooku equally, even kicked him in the head.

I think they are close, in the same tier, so it wouldn't make a big difference who is ahead or not.

@jedisympathiz3r said:

GL said that you had to either Mace or Yoda to compete with Sidious so I think Mace and GL seems to view Mace and Yoda as peers though I am still fine with you putting him as an 8.

Gillard later said (after RotS interview) Mace is tier 8, bordering tier 9. So Gillard's latest statement is Windu being tier 8, instead of tier 9.

We also have comic book (SoD) where Mace Windu and Maul fought each other equally, even Maul outmanuevering Windu in the end.

@jedisympathiz3r said:

Tier 6: Luminara should be above Malicos,

Luminara wasn't a Council member, and unlike Qui-Gon, they didn't say they didn't invite her due to other reasons, she also lost to Ventress, and she admitted that Ventress was superior to her.

So you can't say that Ventress and Luminara were equals. Not sure why Luminara should be above Malicos, when Malicos was above Inquisitors, and Cal.

@jedisympathiz3r said:

ROTJ Luke should be above Rey and Kylo because fighting a hindered Vader is better than anything either of them has done,

Kylo and Rey beat multiple Praetorian Guards of Snoke, which they said that they are even stronger than RotJ Imperial Guards.

Matt Martin also said TRoS Rey is probably > RotJ Luke. And he said RotS Anakin is way beyond of RotJ Luke, it wasn't even close.

And we know Vader > RotS Anakin, so Vader was basically incredibly hindered, that doesn't really mean something.

@jedisympathiz3r said:

Depa should be above AOTC Obi-wan at the very least because she did better against Grievous than later versions of Obi-wan did.

TCW Kenobi defeated Grievous several times, Depa never did that, infact the Clones saved her from Grievous.

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Sorry had to delete the old one due to editing issues.

If that's S1/2 Ahsoka like as pictured in tier 6, she is too high imo. She should be down with s1/2 Ezra, and I think s1/3 Ezra should be moved up. He actually has some pretty good feats and should definitely be on par with the lower inquisitors at that point.

Coleman Trebor and Even Piell seem too high given their pathetic deaths. Drop them at least a tier. A few other featless masters shouldn't be there as well.

Kylo and Rey should at least be higher in that tier, like next to ep 2 Kenobi.

Rebels Ahsoka should at least be at the top of that tier, but most likely in the tier above. Nobody in that tier would do that good against Vader or hold off Sidious for that long.

I think late CW Kenobi should be dropped a tier. Ep3 Kenobi is the only one with the feats to be in that tier. You should also add Ben Kenobi. Where would you put him?

Those are really the only major things I wanted to touch on.

What I would do different:

Move Mace a tier up.

Move Rebels Ahsoka down a Tier.

Move Rey and Kylo down 2 Tiers.

Move TPM Kenobi down 1 Tier.

Move S7 Ahsoka down 1 Tier.

Move Even Piell down 1 Tier.

Move Luminara up 1 Tier.

Move S1-2 Ahsoka down 1 Tier.

Other than that, I agree pretty much.

Maul above Dookie is a yikes from me

@erkan12 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

Maul above Dookie is a yikes from me

Eh, not a big difference, someone should be ahead, they are in the same tier still.

@alextheboss said:

If that's S1/2 Ahsoka like as pictured in tier 6, she is too high imo. She should be down with s1/2 Ezra, and I think s1/3 Ezra should be moved up. He actually has some pretty good feats and should definitely be on par with the lower inquisitors at that point.

Coleman Trebor and Even Piell seem too high given their pathetic deaths. Drop them at least a tier. A few other featless masters shouldn't be there as well.

Kylo and Rey should at least be higher in that tier, like next to ep 2 Kenobi.

Rebels Ahsoka should at least be at the top of that tier, but most likely in the tier above. Nobody in that tier would do that good against Vader or hold off Sidious for that long.

I think late CW Kenobi should be dropped a tier. Ep3 Kenobi is the only one with the feats to be in that tier. You should also add Ben Kenobi. Where would you put him?

Those are really the only major things I wanted to touch on.

Jedi Council members should be ahead of Grand Inquisitor according to the producer / writer of the Rebels, which he created the Grand Inquisitor.

Rey and Kylo are in the same tier as Jedi Council members, that should be good enough.

Eeth Koth already disproved that, he put a good fight against Vader before losing, and obviously Eeth Koth is not on tier 8.

TCW S1 Ahsoka survived a duel with Grievous, and defeated magnaguards, she isn't that bad.

TPM Kenobi / AotC Kenobi / TCW S3 Kenobi = tier 7 / tier 7,9

TCW S4 / RotS Kenobi = tier 8, TCW S4 is 20 BBY, 2 years after AotC, it should be long enough for Kenobi to reach tier 8.

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@erkan12 said:
@redheathen said:

Re: Bendu said that combining the Jedi and Sith holocrons would show Maul his destiny. Why would Maul still want to do find and kill Kenobi considering that he would have seen his death?

I don't think he has seen his death, but he probably wasn't afraid of the possibility.

@ffs91 said:

@erkan12 great update man! Which characters will you do next?

You still want more respect threads? Lol. I already made at least 5 respect threads so far.

@levtarkovski said:

According to the official TCW Blu-Ray scenes descriptions, the off-panel fight between Maul and Savage against Sidious called "Sith Duel", is classified directly as an extended scene from the episode "The Lawless", separated from the scenes eliminated for not fitting in (clarified in the description), and separated from the alternative scenes, being in the extended scenes that were officialy released anyway as many unfinished scenes that sill remains in continuity (like the unfinished scene where Boba killed Bane)

https://youtu.be/2Absp-6Q9T0?t=1510

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Scenes_cut_from_Star_Wars#Season_Five

I asked Matt Martin on his official Twitter account if the extended scenes that appeared in the Blu-Ray are canon, and I asked specifically about this fight, and he replied that yes, it's officially canon, plus he also mentioned that TCW unreleased content in general would be considered canon as well, which further extends the list, but that's another issue.

https://twitter.com/missingwords/status/134337061639768064

This also explains the "time jump" that occurred when Maul and Savage started to fight Sidious in the throne room, to the next scene where Maul is fighting Sidious alone leaving through a corridor that leads them to outside the palace, while Savage is behind the two chased them. In fact, that part of the fight was always described as an extended scene, and it is the explanation of what happened between both scenes, although a few tried to ignore it and treat it as "discarded and eliminated" content, without proof and only because it went against their preferences, leaving the explanation of what happened in the middle in inconsistency and ambiguity, it never made much sense, but now there is no way to deny their legitimacy.

Thanks, I've added those extended scenes with Sidious.

thanks for replying, and i agree with you.

thanks also to levtarkorvski for the martin tweet. this has been stated before, though. i've got other quotes bookmarked to back up with martin says, but it was in regards to lucas canon, iirc. chee has said something about officially released content/deleted scenes. (in addition to filoni) season five aired before sw took over content, so the statements would have applied to the sidious/maul/savage deleted content. but since tcw is also canon, what martin says would apply to it as well. the deleted scene of maul choking sidious was officially released. it is tcw content. it should be canon and usable for maul's abilities.

erkan, i told you a while ago that i thought the deleted scene from the lawless was canon, you had asked for proof, and i forgot to get back to it. i'm glad you tagged me today in the same reply that you make to levtarkovski.

instead of retyping here, i'll copy and paste a link to what i wrote on the topic back in april on quora.

https://www.quora.com/What-if-Darth-Maul-and-Savage-Opress-used-Force-Lightning-against-Palpatine-Sidious-when-he-came-to-confront-them/answer/Uba-Fuora

i opened the answer with legends, though. you'll need to ignore that.

@levtarkovski thanks for supplying the tweet. i added it to a quora answer for support.

erkan, don't forget to add the sources i gave earlier that support maul having access to holocrons.

Ok, I've added that Sith holocron info, also there is another Force lightning deflection feat from Son of Dathomir issue 04, I've added that as well.

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Re: Bendu said that combining the Jedi and Sith holocrons would show Maul his destiny. Why would Maul still want to do find and kill Kenobi considering that he would have seen his death?

I don't think he has seen his death, but he probably wasn't afraid of the possibility.

@ffs91 said:

@erkan12 great update man! Which characters will you do next?

You still want more respect threads? Lol. I already made at least 5 respect threads so far.

According to the official TCW Blu-Ray scenes descriptions, the off-panel fight between Maul and Savage against Sidious called "Sith Duel", is classified directly as an extended scene from the episode "The Lawless", separated from the scenes eliminated for not fitting in (clarified in the description), and separated from the alternative scenes, being in the extended scenes that were officialy released anyway as many unfinished scenes that sill remains in continuity (like the unfinished scene where Boba killed Bane)

https://youtu.be/2Absp-6Q9T0?t=1510

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Scenes_cut_from_Star_Wars#Season_Five

I asked Matt Martin on his official Twitter account if the extended scenes that appeared in the Blu-Ray are canon, and I asked specifically about this fight, and he replied that yes, it's officially canon, plus he also mentioned that TCW unreleased content in general would be considered canon as well, which further extends the list, but that's another issue.

https://twitter.com/missingwords/status/134337061639768064

This also explains the "time jump" that occurred when Maul and Savage started to fight Sidious in the throne room, to the next scene where Maul is fighting Sidious alone leaving through a corridor that leads them to outside the palace, while Savage is behind the two chased them. In fact, that part of the fight was always described as an extended scene, and it is the explanation of what happened between both scenes, although a few tried to ignore it and treat it as "discarded and eliminated" content, without proof and only because it went against their preferences, leaving the explanation of what happened in the middle in inconsistency and ambiguity, it never made much sense, but now there is no way to deny their legitimacy.

Thanks, I've added those extended scenes with Sidious.

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Batman's recover from that back bone injury is unreal without any enhanced healing, I guess it's because he is ''Batman''.