Why the list says Maul > Dooku?


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3-) Darth Maul

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4-) Darth Tyranus

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Source: Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know (2015)

Now let's remember what their Sith Master said about Maul and Dooku;

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Sidious : ''Darth Maul was a loss, but Darth Tyranus... He was a proton torpedo.''

Source: Darth Vader #20

One was a ''loss'' and the other one was a ''proton torpedo''. Despite losing both, Dooku was always meant to be a placeholder while Maul wasn't.

This is a very important evidence towards how important Maul was in the Sith order, unlike Dooku, Maul was meant to be a successor, thus his training was more important than Dooku's.

Sidious states that Maul's skill as a sword master is peerless;

Sidious : ''Your skill as a sword master is peerless.''

Source: Darth Maul: Saboteur

Another source states that Dooku has never been the true Sith apprentice.

''Count Dooku knows that he has been deceived not just today, but for many, many years. That he has never been the true apprentice. That he has never been the heir to the power of the Sith.''

Source: Revenge of the Sith Novel

Dooku himself admits that Maul is a ''Great Sith Lord''.

Dooku : ''I foresee we will do great things together, I shall teach you the ways of the Dark Side. Soon, your powers will rival that of the great Sith Lord Darth Maul.''

Source: The Clone Wars: Season 3 Episode 13

And what Maul thinks about Dooku?

Maul: ''You're Dooku... The Jedi betrayer? I've heard much of you since my rebirth. I expected... more.''

Source: Son of Dathomir #1

In another issue, Maul asks from Dooku to become his apprentice.

Maul: ''You abandoned the Jedi when you understood the Sith were gaining power. Now I suggest you abandon Sidious and serve me.''

Dooku: ''Do you really believe there is any power in the galaxy that can stand against my lord?''

Source: Son of Dathomir #3

Dave Filoni states that Maul is in the ''Vader realm''.

Dave Filoni : ''Maul is a super dangerous threat. Because he has been trained for years. He’s really adept. So he’s kind of in the Vader realm. He’s well trained by Sidious in all types of Sith ways. Not the least of which is manipulation.''

Source: Rebel Force Radio Interview

Let's see why Maul ranks better than Dooku.

Nick Gillard's tiering system for TPM Maul;

Nick Gillard : ''And somebody like Kit Fisto is 7. I did take it to 8 and 9. But not many people know that. 8 and 9 is cheat.''

''Obi-Wan has gone up one level from Episode I to Episode III (7 to 8), but it’s a huge jump from one level to another. So Obi-Wan is 8. Yoda is 9. Mace is 8 bordering on 9. Dooku & Maul (TPM) are 8, but there is a huge difference inside the numbers themselves. It's not about how well they fight, it's about how well they learned.''

Source: Danger-inc.com, Theforce.net, Saberproject

Maul has become more powerful after TPM.

''Maul had grown more powerful since the last time he’d been in Sidious’s presence, before the Neimoidian invasion of Naboo had turned disastrous and Obi-Wan had bested him inside the Theed power core. His hermitage on Lotho Minor, his lessons on Unbara, his restoration by Mother Talzin, and his training of Savage had all strengthened him, made him a more worthy vessel for the dark side to fill with its power.

But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious.''

Source: Shadow Conspiracy

And since the source takes place after Maul's revival, it considers Maul's power growth as well.

Let's see what the Author of Son of Dathomir comic said about Maul vs. Dooku duel before;

Barlow : ''Hmm. 6/10 sounds good. Maybe even 7/10—'cause Maul won't quit until he's completely out. That's just my opinion, though.''

Source: Twitter.com/Jeremy_Barlow/status/521480966431584256

The reason why Barlow believes that Maul defeats Dooku 7/10, because ''he won't quit until he's completely out.'' .

That never changes, even after 20 years, Maul finds a hiding Ben Kenobi on the desert only by his sheer will and his persistence, and by using the Sith Holocron and manipulating Ezra Bridger.

Ben Kenobi : ''One doesn't survive as long as I've by being foolish or unprepared. Maul is an old adversary, and a persistent one at that.''

Source: Star Wars Rebels: Season 3 Episode 20

Drawing Ben Kenobi out by ''altering the course of many things'', which is imo, was just a tip of an iceberg when it comes to Maul's capabilities as a Sith.

Ben Kenobi: ''They didn't. Maul did. Maul used your desire to do good, to deceive you. And in doing so, he has altered the course of many things. He knows your fears, your heart, and he manipulated the truth which has led you here. Where you should had never have been.''

Source: Star Wars Rebels: Season 3 Episode 20

This is not the only reason why Maul's knowledge of the Dark Side is superior to Dooku, not only he has shown superior manipulative skills, he has done something that surprises even Vader on Malachor.

Vader: ''You have unlocked the secret of the Temple. How did you accomplish this?''

Source: Star Wars Rebels: Season 2 Episode 22

Of course, this was all Maul's doing, and his plan was going to work if he didn't underestimate the Blind Kanan and his extreme amplification through the Force (a possible oneness).

(Btw, we can note that finding Kenobi is also a something that would impress Vader a lot, considering Vader never did that with all of his time and despite having all the resources of the Empire, Maul finds Kenobi in a very short time by using the Sith holocrons and the Dark Side magicks.)

Even after facing a near-death situation after getting pushed back from the temple by an extremely amped / oneness attained Kanan Jarrus,

Freddie Prinze Jr. :''Kanan vs. the Grand Inquisitor, that's Kanan releasing his fear and his attachment, and sort of being like water. This is a Force overpowering moment.''

''So for that moment between the two of them, that's a Force explosion. Kanan isn't controlling that, that's the Force dictating what's going to happen to him.''

Source : First Order Transmissions #197: Star Wars Rebels Finale Interview

Maul is still not defeated by the extremely amped Kanan Jarrus, and he steals Vader's ship and leaves Malachor.

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''Maul has not been defeated.''

Source: SW.com

For the people who are underestimating Kanan's Force potential, his death was important enough the draw the attention of even the Emperor;

Sidious: ''There has been a great disturbance in the Force. The death of Kanan Jarrus has altered the fate of Lothal, thought how I cannot say.''

Source: Star Wars Rebels: Season 4 Episode 12

Maul single handedly destroys a Rebel cell and then captures Hera Syndulla, Zeb and Sabine,

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Ezra: ''There must have been one heck of a fight.''

Kanan: ''I can smell the carbon scoring.''

Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 3

Considering Dooku's bad experience with the Space Pirates, I would say slaughtering an entire crew of a Rebel cell is not bad at all.

Another example of his superior physical strength, and durability; when Kanan and the others were knocked out, Maul was already moving towards his ship.

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And in another example, Maul easily throws Kanan without even using the Force.

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Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 3

Another example on his superior physical strength. Overpowers a creature named Rathtar with his sheer strength.

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Source: Darth Maul 01#

Casually hides his presence in the Force from 2 Jedi Knights.

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Source: Darth Maul 01#

Maul even impressed an antique Force creature such as Bendu with his vast knowledge of the Force and the holocrons.

Ezra : ''A Sith, Darth Maul, has them. He wants it.''

Bendu : ''Oh. He would bring them together? Such a vergence carries grave danger. If two such powerful sources of knowledge are united, they will grant a clarity of vision beyond your kind. When joined, any secret, wisdom or destiny can be seen through the Force. One could bring much chaos with such hidden truths. I have seen it before.''

Source: Star Wars Rebels: Season 3 Episode 03

Which is a secret knowledge of the Force that I highly doubt Dooku knew.

Maul completely dominates Ezra's mind with TP even when Kanan was there;

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Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 11
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Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 20

And Ezra is a very talented TP user who can manipulate others easily.

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Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 1

Another superior TP showing from Maul; he easily learns Kanan's past and the Holocron's place by entering inside the mind of Hera Syndulla.

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Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 3

He is a powerful TK user as well. He can pull a Space Shuttle from a significant distance.

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Source: The Clone Wars Season 5 Episode 01

Leaves behind a powerful Dark Side essence on Naboo;

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Source: Shattered Empire #3

Now let's get to the point on why Maul is more skilled than Dooku in sabers;

Maul has ''Far Greater'' skills than the Grand Inquisitor. A former Jedi Knight.

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Dave Filoni : ''That's why I call it a cheat. It's a simple way to do something that Maul actually does. Maul has far greater skills. This guy can just stand there and can have a helicopter blade.''

Source: Rebel Force Radio interview

''Far greater: -You use the expression by far when you are comparing something or someone with others of the same kind, in order to emphasize how great the difference is between them.''

Btw, this hype is coming from Filoni, who we know he has some disliking about Darth Maul, and Filoni said Grand Inquisitor is close to Ventress before.

Deflects a cheap-shot attempt from Nightsister possessed Kanan Jarrus.

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Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 11

Physically pushes Kanan (amped by Nightsisters) back during the saber lock. He isn't trying to defeat Kanan Jarrus, due to Kanan being possessed by a nightsister ghost and Ezra telling Maul to not hurt Kanan.

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Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 11

And Possessed Kanan was strong enough to casually disarm SWR S3 Ezra.

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Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 11

Dooku disarmed by Savage Opress

We know Dooku has trouble with deflecting sheer strength based attacks, as we've seen from his duel with Savage Opress (also nightsister magic amped).

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Source: The Clone Wars Season 3 Episode 14

Maul on the other hand, easily deals with a more powerful Savage Opress in a duel.

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Source: The Clone Wars Season 5 Episode 01

And Savage Opress is a threat to Dooku.

Dooku: ''I can sense him Grievous. That creature Savage Opress is growing stronger and stronger as each day passes.''

Grievous: ''You consider him a threat?''

Dooku: ''He is a threat to all of us even the Jedi.''

Source: The Clone Wars Season 4 Episode 21

He deflects multiple blaster bolts from Sabine, Zeb and Hera when he was turned upside down. A very vulnerable position for a sharpshooter like Sabine.

Considering Maul's bad position (can't move his legs or his position), and considering that Sabine also had help from Zeb and Hera, I can safely say that this is harder than deflecting blaster shots from the best sharp shooters such as Jango Fett or Boba Fett,

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Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 3

Don't forget that Sabine was skilled enough to defeat Fenn Rau in a shooting contest. Not only Maul faced a skilled shooter and two back-ups, he couldn't even move his legs on that position.

Dooku had been driven back by AotC Kenobi

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In the actual script AotC Kenobi drives Dooku back for a while.

''COUNT DOOKU thrusts. OBI-WAN steps back quickly, panting for breath. COUNT DOOKU (continuing) come, come, Master Kenobi. Put me out of my misery.

OBI-WAN takes a deep breath, gets a fresh grip on his lightsaber and comes in again. For a moment, he drives COUNT DOOKU back. Then Dooku's superior skill begins to tell again, and he forces OBI-WAN to retreat.''

Source: Attack of the Clones Script

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Compare that to Maul's performance against the 2 Jedi Knights.

''The SITH LORD's moves are incredible. He is fighting the TWO JEDI at once, flipping into the air, outmaneuvering them at every turn.''

Source: The Phantom Menace Script

Dooku loses to Quinlan Vos

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Yeah, you didn't hear wrong.

Dooku loses a duel to Quinlan Vos due to Vos's unpredictability.

''Vos all but danced around Dooku, forcing the older man to whirl, strike, and block from every side. And then-there it was.

Dooku overextended-only a trifle-and the next thing Kenobi knew the count's lightsaber was across the room and the count himself was on his back.''

Source: Dark Disciple
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Official art from the Clone Wars.

While Maul is the master of the most unpredictable Lightsaber form; Juyo.

Form VII: ''Juyo / Vaapad: The most aggressive and unpredictable form.''

Source: Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know

''Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi's excellent use of Form IV's acrobatic maneuvers are little more than delaying tactics against the Form VII skills of Darth Maul.''

Source: Star Wars Insider #62: Fightsaber

Maul against Quinlan Vos

At some point in the Clone Wars, Maul faces off with the same Vos who defeated Dooku,

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And he isn't losing it like Dooku did. Official art from the Clone Wars concepts.

Dominates Qui-Gon in a duel

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Source: The Phantom Menace

Qui-Gon is one of the best swordsmen in the order.

''Qui-Gon Jinn was one of the most able swordsmen in the Jedi order.''

Source: The Phantom Menace Novelization

Dominates Post- AotC Kenobi in a duel

Kenobi fights offensively in this fight, and fails utterly.

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Source: The Clone Wars Season 4 Episode 22

Once again stops an enraged Kenobi who attacks Maul's apprentice, and before that duels with both Obi-Wan and Adi Gallia.

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Source: The Clone Wars Season 5 Episode 01

Kenobi is a more powerful Jedi than Anakin at some point in the Clone Wars.

"Take him!" Ventress ordered the super battle droids.

She ran for a side exit. Anakin Skywalker was a powerful Jedi, but she knew Obi-Wan was even stronger.''

Source: The Clone Wars Adapted Novelization

Maul ragdolled Kenobi with the Force more than once.

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Source: The Clone Wars Season 5 Episode 01 and Episode 16

Against 4 Magnaguards

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Grievous sends his personal Magnaguards to deal with Maul.

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Source: Son of Dathomir #1

And Maul defeats them with ease.

Against Darth Sidious

Maul kicks Sidious in a duel.

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Source: The Clone Wars Season 5 Episode 16

Kicking Sidious in a duel is alone a feat that is a worthy of recognition, other than Maul, only Mace Windu (and Yoda in the comics) managed to kick Sidious during a lightsaber duel.

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Their portrayals against Mace Windu

Dooku escapes from a duel with Mace Windu.

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Clone Wars Obsession 5

Maul takes both Mace Windu and Aayla Secura at the same time. And kicks Aayla while fighting with Mace Windu.

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Source: Son of Dathomir #3

Against Darth Vader

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Maul can contend with Vader according to the source, not only with Sidious.

''IT'S A CLOSE CALL, and these two Sith are well-matched in terms of fighting skills'' ....

Source: Star Wars Comics UK Magazine 04 (2014)

Filoni said Maul is in the Vader realm before, and he also states that Maul has the same type of focus that Vader has;

Dave Filoni : ''The Force is what holding his body together...''

''The Sith are consumed with never wanting to die. It's a completely physical thing to them. There is no afterlife for them. Everything exists in the now. They have to stay alive. They fear death more than anyone. That's what makes them so twisted and evil. So Vader holds on to life at the edge of the lava flow, because he is such a condemned for Obi-Wan, such an anger for whose happens in his life. And that same type of focus, hatred what sustains Maul.''

Source: Star Wars Celebration Clone Wars Season Five Premiere (2012)

Maul's superior portrayal to Adult Ahsoka

Maul's portrayal as a fighter was superior to Adult Ahsoka.

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Source: Rebels Season 2 Episode 22

First of all, let's remember what they said about Adult Ahsoka's skills before ;

Prinze : ''I would put say is top 3, 4 as far as fighting , combat skills Jedi of all time.''

Source: Collider Videos

Filoni : ''We all felt that Ahsoka, the only person that could really match her in this time period, blow for blow, would be Vader or the Emperor.''

Source: SW.com

And we know, Vader at this time of period, is more powerful than Anakin, especially more powerful than TCW S4 Anakin and even he can choke Dooku during the duel;

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Source: The Clone Wars Season 4 Episode 18

Vader becomes far more powerful than TCW S4 Anakin;

"His injuries had deformed his body, left it broken, but they'd perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight."

Source: Lords of the Sith

This is 5 years after the RotS. It took only 5 years for Vader to become more powerful than his RotS Anakin self, and he was much more powerful than TCW S4 Anakin when he dueled with Ahsoka.

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Source: Rebels Season 2 Episode 22

Considering Ahsoka's competitive duel with Vader, (which is against a more powerful opponent than Dooku has ever faced) it's obvious that Dooku couldn't even replicate what Ahsoka did against Vader, and he would be overpowered easier against Vader who also ranks much better than Dooku on the top 5 red-lightsaber users list.

And unlike Dooku, why Maul has better portrayal than Adult Ahsoka?

Evidence on Maul > Adult Ahsoka #1

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''Kanan agrees to split the group up, the logical choice pairing Maul with the weakest of the Jedi''

Source: Sw.com

- Maul matched with the weakest.

The logical choice to match Ezra with the strongest fighter, who is Maul. It's the basic logic that says Maul was more powerful than Adult Ahsoka.

Evidence on Maul > Adult Ahsoka #2

Maul's superior portrayal against 3 Inquisitors, even if you disagree with that statement, it's easy to figure out that Maul was stronger than Adult Ahsoka;

He takes on 3 Inquisitors with ease, kicking them one by one, which is a feat that Adult Ahsoka couldn't do.

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Maul easily blasts the Inquisitor Eighth Brother with the Force.

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Maul easily dominates the two Inquisitors when Ahsoka and Kanan couldn't.

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Maul easily kills the Inquisitor Fifth Brother.

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Source: Rebels Season 2 Episode 22

Evidence on Maul > Adult Ahsoka #3

Maul senses Vader in the Force, before Ahsoka could.

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Considering Ahsoka's relationship with Vader, she could've sensed Vader's presence earlier than Maul. However Maul senses Vader first, which suggests that Maul's Force powers were greater than Ahsoka's.

Another example on this how he easily kills the Inquisitor Seventh Sister with the Force.

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Source: Rebels Season 2 Episode 22

Evidence on Maul > Adult Ahsoka #4

Maul moves faster than Adult Ahsoka, and saves Ezra from the Inquisitor Eighth Brother.

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Evidence on Maul > Adult Ahsoka #5

Adult Ahsoka runs away from the duel against Maul. And Maul was controlling the duel.

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He even turns his back to Adult Ahsoka at some point.

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Source: Rebels Season 2 Episode 22

All these evidences suggest that Maul was more formidable than Adult Ahsoka, and he would perform even better against Vader, who we already know more powerful than Dooku even when he was weaker as of Anakin the TCW / RotS.

Summary for the Maul > Dooku:

Other than the list which says Maul > Dooku,

  • Not only Maul's dark-side knowledge, and his TP showings and his Sith holocron knowledge was better, he has better physicality and sheer will.
  • Sidious stated that Maul was a loss while Dooku was a proton torpedo.
  • Maul has been stated to be in the Vader realm.
  • Maul portrayed better than Adult Ahsoka (who contended with Vader).
  • Maul portrayed better than Dooku against Mace Windu.
  • Maul dominated TCW S4 Kenobi in a duel.
  • Maul kicked Sidious in a duel.
  • Maul portrayed better than Dooku against Savage Opress.

-Arguments for the Ben Kenobi duel-

First of all, let's remember what Kenobi says about Dooku's skills;

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"Come on, then, Kenobi! Come for me!" he said. "I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Lord Tyranus himself."

"Do you mean Count Dooku? What a curious coincidence," Obi-Wan said with a deceptively pleasant smile. "I trained the man who killed him."

With a convulsive snarl, Grievous lunged.''

Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization

Joking aside, let's see what happened after 17 years between Maul and Kenobi;

First of all, let's debunk that Filoni's stupid statement first;

Debunking the Filoni's earlier statement

''I wanted to create a lot of similarities in the way the fight happened and the way Obi-Wan beats Maul. I felt that with Maul, any moment that he parries Obi-Wan is saying that he’s as good as Obi-Wan and I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think Maul ever accepted a path of selflessness and enlightenment and in the end, never getting over his need for revenge, and his anger and the way his life worked out is what undid him.''

Source: ign.com

That's a stupid statement because it means that Adult Ahsoka is very close to Darth Vader because the duel lasted longer than the Maul vs. Ben Kenobi duel, that also contradicts with Maul's superiority over Adult Ahsoka (and even when they dueled each other Ahsoka never showed any superiority against Maul) who lasted much longer against Vader who is slightly better than Ben Kenobi.

He retconned that stupid explanation with multiple other statements by saying that the duel was a mental duel not a physical one, or how Kenobi faked his lightsaber stance by using Qui-Gon pose in order to deceive Maul during their duel.

The preparation

Ben Kenobi was prepared for the duel;

Ben Kenobi : ''One doesn't survive as long as I've by being foolish or unprepared. Maul is an old adversary, and a persistent one at that.''

Source: Star Wars Rebels: Season 3 Episode 20

The concept

The concept of the fight was different than the usual duels due to marketing purposes.

Dave Filoni : “It was a much-discussed thing on how that was gonna go down,” Filoni said. “The instinct would be, and probably, I admit, the expectation, is for some kind of prolonged lightsaber battle. But I’ve done a lot of prolonged lightsaber battles over the years and I think what’s most important about any kind of confrontation is what’s riding on it. What’s the tension going into it? It starts to matter less and less how you swing a sword or how creatively you do it if there’s not a lot riding on it.”

Source: io9.gizmodo.com

He also mentions about the duel being an homage to the Seven Samurai duel.

Dave Filoni : ''If you talk to a lot of people that sword fight they’ll tell you, people that are very good don’t have long fights. It’s very quick. And so that scene it’s an homage to the Seven Samurai. I think on one level people would be excited to see another prolonged lightsaber fight but I just never really saw the confrontation that way because to do that is to say the characters just don’t have growth. Yes, it’s exciting as an audience member but it’s not a really believable thing. Storytelling has to evolve.''

Source: Rebels Recon #3.20: Inside "Twin Suns"

The duel played on their head

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Henry Gilroy : “When you’ve fought someone many times, and you’ve faced off, you kind of know each other’s moves. So if you think about it the build up to this confrontation and the actual lightsabers hitting each other is actually longer because they’re basically playing it out in their heads.”

Source: Rebels Recon #3.20: Inside "Twin Suns"

According to the producer, it was a mental duel and it was longer.

Animation supervisor states that the duel is a game within a game.

Keith Kellogg : ''It's much more about foot work and the thought process that Obi-Wan has. It starts out as young Obi-Wan and then we shift him to sort of what Alec would do when he was fighting and then the very last one you should look back at the Phantom Menace you can see what Qui-Gon's doing. We just sort of moved him just a little bit right after Maul changes his. It's kind of a game within a game almost.''

Source: Behind The Scenes: Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul | Star Wars Rebels

Maul underestimates Ben Kenobi

Sam Witwer : ''Because of that fight, Maul goes "Oh my god, I completely underestimated him"


Maul is absolutely certain this old man has past his prime, he just doesn't understand this is an active Jedi Knight who is serving the Order even though it doesn't exist, he is doing the most important thing in the galaxy right now.''

Source: Rebel Force Radio Interview

Another evidence is how Maul sees Ben Kenobi;

Maul : ''Look what has become of you, a rat in the desert.''

''I've come to kill you, but perhaps it's worse to leave you here, festering in your squalor.''

Source: Rebels Season 3 Episode 20

Maul directly goes for the killing move, it was his choice

Maul underestimates Kenobi, and directly goes for the killing move (which is Maul's own three strike technique), even then;

Dave Filoni : ''Qui-Gon part came late, when I was looking at it again. Originally, in that movie, when Kyuzo strikes the guy down, it's a one strike with the lightsaber.

But when we got animated, Keith Kellogg and I were looking at it, it's just Maul's technique to go, really quick, one-two-three, so, it didn't feel like Maul does get a shot at all. So block-block, then he (Maul) goes for that move (the move that he took down Qui-Gon), that's where I decided to put that move in.''

Source: Star Wars Celebration 2017

When you compare it to the Seven Samurai duel, the duel should've been a one-shot duel.

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Filoni changes the original ''one-shot'' scene from Seven Samurai, because it didn't feel like Maul gets a shot at Kenobi unlike the samurai that attacked Kyuzo in the movie.

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Kenobi uses that Qui-Gon posing scene and he has to deflect those 2 extra strikes from Maul just to make it a more competitive duel than the duel that happened in the Seven Samurai.

Now if the duel was an homage to the Seven Samurai, and if the duel was meant to be a one-shot strike, and adding two extra lightsaber clashes and adding a special hilt bumping move, (which comes from Maul's past) how competitive this duel really is considering the old style one-shot movie concept?

Kenobi's trap for Maul

To easily explain, Kenobi waits at the defense against Maul, while Kenobi attacks Vader, who is a more powerful opponent than Maul.

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Source: A New Hope

It doesn't make sense to attack a more powerful opponent while waiting on the defense against a weaker one. Which means that Kenobi was indeed trying to deceive Maul with that Qui-Gon pose.

Henry Gilroy : ''And the amazing thing is, the move that Maul tries after the initial exchange, he actually attempts the move that killed Qui-Gon Jinn. He tries to basically bash him with the hilt.”

Source: Rebels Recon #3.20: Inside "Twin Suns"

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Question : ''The move that he took down Qui-Gon ?''

Dave Filoni : ''Yeah, also visually tells the story that Obi-Wan paid attention, you know that moment was kind of put into his brain and that he could defeat.''

Source: Star Wars Celebration 2017

Now ask yourself this, if Maul never attacked Kenobi and if he never used the same hilt bumping move, could Kenobi defeat Maul by waiting at defense?

We've seen how Maul dominated Kenobi in the Clone Wars when Kenobi tried to fight offensively. Kenobi had to wait at defense and he had to deceive Maul with the Qui-Gon pose.

And don't forget that this is the same Kenobi that dueled with Vader at the Death Star.

He literally says that Obi-Wan defeats Maul only because of his prior knowledge about Maul, not due to superior skill.

Ben Kenobi's amplification against Maul

Filoni directly says that Obi-Wan is unbeatable ''in that moment'' because he is protecting someone else (the most important thing to him; Chosen One) in the end.

Dave Filoni : ''When pressed, because Obi-Wan is protecting someone else in the end, he does fight. But because he is so true and knows who he is in that moment, you can't defeat that.''

Source: io9.gizmodo.com

Summary for the Ben Kenobi duel:

  • Kenobi was amped (unbeatable in the moment) against Maul.
  • Kenobi was prepared for the duel.
  • Maul underestimates Ben Kenobi and believes he could kill him quickly.
  • Kenobi deceived and lured Maul with a fake Qui-Gon stance.
  • The duel was mental and played out on their head. It wasn't a physical duel.
  • The concept of the duel was from the Seven Samurai duel and they changed the original one-shot strike scene and they've added two extra saber strikes for making the duel more competitive than the original one.
  • Kenobi had to wait for Maul's attack to win the duel, without the anticipated hilt bump move he couldn't win.

The duel was extremely circumstantial and can't be used, on the contrary, to think that a Kenobi level duelist (who is contending with Vader even better than Adult Ahsoka) needed a trap and amplification to win against Maul, which only shows that how formidable Maul is.

Maul ranks better than Dooku as a sword fighter and not only in skill, better than him everything except for TK, and he is the same level with the Kenobi in terms of skill (without Kenobi's amplification and the deceiving tactic) who can match with Vader (who is way above of Dooku) in a duel.


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