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@chimeroid: A bad workman quarrels with his tools.

Obi

@heiqn: lol

They're more comfortable but I put that down on them being friends in real life. I can buy her showing him that the world isn't black and white but I can't really say that he taught her anything because Bruce only learned that lesson for himself when he was shook by that Riddler goon in the end. He didn't have time to give lessons to anybody by then.

I can agree to that.

The internet always had a problem with Anne. She was never sexy enough to be Selina by internet standards. It says more about how Catwoman is seen in pop culture than anything else. I fear Robbie's successor as Harley is going to face similar issues.

I've never put stock in the "this character isn't the character yet" arguments. It's literally what Snyder bros keep harping about. You never know if these actors will live to return to the role or if the franchise will continue. Reeves only had to write her with some edges and give her a half way decent mask. It's not like fans were demanding for Zoe's Selina to befriend Ivy, marry Bruce, kill Black Mask and give birth to Helena. A decent mask and a character who straddles the line between good and bad was all that Reeves had to include. It's important to the character.

Zoe's was closer to the modern Brubaker and Loeb versions but Anne's was more complete. She had bits of the modern, golden age and silver age versions in her. Michelle gets zero points for accuracy but her performance really was great. Zoe's chemistry with Rob wasn't really any better than Anne's was with Bale. They were both awkward but Bale gets points for winning over Selina with his heroism and selflessness. Why was Zoe's Selina in to Rob is something that the movie did not bother to explain. Michelle and Keaton win the chemistry award easily.

Oh yeah, she saved him once too, lol. Then she needed saving immediately because she's too busy kissing a potential corpse. That whole scene was cringe.

@frozen: She's got a better arc than them but Michelle's was easily better acted and Anne's was a more complete character. Heck Anne displayed more range too. Let's be honest, Zoe's Selina was just a damsel in the end. I lost count at the amount of times Bruce had to save her. Her character was limited to being a good guy. So she was lacking in any edge. That pillow case on her head was also rubbish. Zoe was good but recency bias and wokeness is getting out of hand. Her character has a long way to go.

Joker

@chimeroid: I don't care what his excuse was. He walked away from the movie.

Your analogy falls flat. Matt Reeves is doing fine with the "abusive" boy friend. Affleck's problem was that he bit off more than he could chew.

This very question reinforces the Snyder cult victim hood narrative. Ben Affleck walked away from the project of his own volition. He didn't want to do it period. So the answer is a resounding NO!

@mazahs117: That and the gliding cape. People take a lot of things for granted without appreciating where they came from. Though I suppose Burton deserves the credit for introducing the gliding cape.

Batman's introduction in 89 is definitely freaky. It's the scene I associate the most with Batman since that was my introduction to the character.