@zeeguy91: Except your opinion wasn't a counter to mine to even begin with. Every time someone made a post in agreement with the video you were there to tell them how wrong they are. You made your point, Deathstroke is NOT a Batman villain. Hell I even agreed with you, what's the point of beating the same horse again and again with extreme prejudice?
Could some other villain have made it? sure but they didn't and this game has been going on for years. I'm sure plenty were disappointed when Riddler wasn't the villain of Rises. Every time they choose someone they leave out a hundred others, it's how it always has been.
As for what the actor playing Deathstroke will read I dont know, for all I know they'll just read the script and go with what's given there. Who says it's mandatory to read these books? David Ayer's entire stack of Suicide Squad comics didn't result in a universally praised movie did it? then you have Brian Singer who's films have a much better record despite him discouraging his actors from reading comics. Tom Welling never read a Superman comic and I dont think Reeve did either, compare that to Cavill who does read. Even Heath read 2-3 big Joker stories like TKJ,AA and TDKR, he didn't pore through decades of material to stay respectful. Maybe Joe will read Titans comics, then he'll apply everything he's learned about Deathstroke's personality and character to the Batman film, seems pretty easy to me.
Joker is not an anti-Batman, he's simply the Joker, he's beyond any mental illness or any anti-Batman archetype, he's the ultimate nemesis,You cant use him to prove a point because then WB might as well never use any other villain period. Why bother with Two-Face or Mad Hatter? Joker has multiple personality and schizophrenia by himself, why go with Zsasz? Joker is worse, why go with Black Mask? Joker is the prince of crime, even the False Face Society was originally a Joker creation, Scarecrow? pfft Joker is scarier, Hush? who's more obsessive about Batman than Joker himself?
Read the latest issue of Deathstroke, Priest has begun with the anti-Batmaning, that's all I'll say. By 2018 expect a big story about Batman and Deathstroke.
Thankfully you've atleast directly criticized Johns but even then you had to lump him with the rest. I'm just curious about your inability to directly question his choices. A simple "I'm disappointed Geoff would have sufficed". He is by far the biggest culprit in this whole saga and I feel you have been the most lenient with him.
@scouterv: Arrow hasn't had an actual Green Arrow villain as the primary baddie since season 1, they dont even try. They've been on loan for years, doesn't even remotely compare to Netflix. They made a season with Nobu as baddie, they've already made 2 seasons without Bullseye or Typhoid Mary. They're actually economical with their characters. Arrow on the other hand has already wasted Drakon, Vertigo and Komodo. The 5 episode difference doesn't even remotely excuse Arrow, if Netflix can work with Nobu then Arrow can work with Komodo. I dont believe for one second that Guggenheim went with Ra's because he had 5 more episodes to work with compared to Netflix Daredevil. He outright said that GA is a Batman ripoff so he entitled to ripping off some more, nope not joking.
There was no set up for Vixen, please, she showed up on Arrow after her animated series was launched, there was no mention of her prior to that. Besides Arrow from what I've gathered actually benefits from crossovers, the first one with Flash gave it an astronomical ratings boost and the LOT set up episodes were regarded as the best of last season. Once they were finished with them, Guggenhack went straight for Felicity.
Long story short Netflix doesn't allow their universe to impede them, if its hurting their shows then it's clearly their own fault. Maybe Berlanti productions should put a brake on expansion to put a focus on quality, the circle of blame starts and ends with these people.
The film Slade sucked as heck,yeah I hated that film myself but it's exposure and that film sold a LOT more than the other movies in more than half a decade. Point is that association with Batman has given this character humongous exposure across 4 different media. If anything us Batman fans should be complaining that they're using Batman as a platform for launching Deathstroke for years.
A poor end to what was shaping up to be a great arc, I get the impression that DC wanted to hold off on Tim and his YJ crew but Tynion convinced them to atleast let him write Tim for one arc before they moved ahead with their course correction plans for those characters. The end result was pretty bad, the main story was finished in the early pages that became the preview for this issue, the rest is just Rebirth non sense that I personally cant be bothered to care about. Not really sure if I want to continue with this book if cheap cop outs become the norm and with Tynion it doesn't too far fetched to assume so.
@zeeguy91: You dont have a right to put a damper on excitement,and for silly reasons like "people will think Batman kewl and DC sucks" that's what gives you the impression of a butt hurt fan boy. This thread is about discussing the possibilities of Deathstroke as a character in the Batman movie, not you crying about the rest of DC.
It's not a Bat family story unless some specific family character makes it, if Babs is confirmed then chances of YO getting importance increase. But if she's not in it then that story is completely and utterly irrelevant.
Joker is an evil twin character now? has Batman fought his own Venom type character yet? anti-Batman represents Batman gone wrong trope, Joker is not Batman gone wrong and Secret Six wasn't a Batman book so it doesn't matter what Bane was. The point was to illustrate that screen writers wont pour through every comic to feature a Batman related character to satisfy "respect for history".
Then maybe you should go read those stories again. Priest has a direction for this series, he's the most high profile creator to work on Slade since Johns and his reference is Wolfman specifically. You can keep screaming flawed or wrong but Priest's ideas are being published, his take in canonized and getting praise from readership.
Because all your incessant whining has been directed towards "Batfanboys stealing everything" instead of the guy who's responsible for putting Slade in the movie. You've completely spared Johns from any direct criticism. All your talk about comics history and Slade not being a Batman villain is directly applicable to Johns, it was his duty to remember all that. Go bang his twitter with your posts.
You're the one who bought "idiot Bat fanboy who doesn't know anything" insults in to the discussion period, just take your own advice man.
@scouterv: Daredevil launched Punisher, Jessica launched Luke Cage and generally DD has pretty much launched the entire line and 3 times as long? forgive me but 13 episodes that are 50% longer each than CW episodes would equal about 18 CW episodes. Arrow only makes 5 extra episodes compared to Netflix shows.
The New Titans comics are a thing of the past. Surely you cant credit his current new found popularity to them. They did make him popular to carry a solo series in the 90's but his star faded away after that series ended. Arrow, SOB,BTB and the video games were all released in the last few years with in short succession, each of them have given him precious exposure. SOB in particular is the highest selling DTV in the last 6 years. TT series too altered him to the point that many among the general populace are shocked to find out that Deathstroke and Slade are the same person. In any event Arrow and Arkham Origins are the chief contributors of his current popularity and the former is viewed as a Batman ripoff show anyway.
@zeeguy91:Yep they could have gone with a different villain, heck I wanted different villains myself, I've already mentioned Hugo and Wrath. I would still much prefer them over Deathstroke, right now the only thing I like about Deathstroke is the possibility of a completely original story. But they DIDN'T go with another villain, this video was made and posted AFTER Slade was confirmed, so it's not a hypothetical discussion. It's a discussion about what you can expect from the movie, it's supposed to get you excited whereas you here are just going on and on about villains A,B and C as if they mean anything. You can express reservations but your reservations have to be limited to Deathstroke himself, everything else is just trolling the guys looking forward to the movie, that's how you're attacking them. People dont need you to tell them which villains make sense and why Deathstroke shouldn't be in the movie, that's just being a spoil sport. Go make your own thread, I promise I wont bring my present attitude there.
Still not Batman stories, there are hordes of comics produced every week, we have Nightwing, Harley, Batgirl, BOP,Red Hood and a lot more and this just the current situation. There are a dozen or 2 actual Batman stories that make it "definite Batman reading" list. Neither Valentine's Catwoman nor Batgirl : YO make it to that list. If some newbie asks you to recommend some Batman books then are you actually going to tell him to get Batgirl : YO?. Secret Six is a good story featuring Bane, you think someone prepping for Batman will read that? HELL NO. They might read it after they've read Knightfall, get interested in Bane and want to learn more about him, that's it. That's how it works, in any event all this is irrelevant because Slade doesn't even have any major Bat arc.
Thanos is not an inversion of Darkseid. They're not opposing forces, they dont counter each other's ideologies. Thanos is not eviler Darkseid or vice versa.
I'm not sick of it to be honest, Bane is the only anti-Batman to make it to a film and on both occasions the directors were not interested in exploring that direction, not even Nolan. Slade being a hired gun would also diminish him as a villain, now that he has been selected they might as well go through with it properly or else there will be little to differentiate him from KG Beast and unlike Beast he's a big character that DC/WB clearly have more plans for.
More from Priest:
Yes, weβre scaling back his world and trying to make Deathstroke more or less like the evil version of Batman. Like what if he had become corrupt at one point?
The Deathstroke I remember was the George Perez and Marv Wolfman character. That was what my reference was.
You kept making asinine assumptions about him being a Batwanker and not remembering, funny how the Wolfman version IS the one he remembered and he's stated in his interviews repeatedly that Wolfman is his frame of reference not the New-52 stuff for which he politely expressed disdain for.
You're not making the same assumptions about Johns that you've made about Priest, even though he is by far the guilty one.
You're the one who started with idiot, Bat fanboy who wants everything and accusing me of not knowing anything. Kinda fair that you then get accused of butt hurt and being a know it all.
@zeeguy91: If you used Valentine's run for Mask then fair enough I accept my mistake but it's still not a major Bat tale. It'll only enter a screen writers pile after they've read all the actual Bat runs and have decided to use Mask as a villain, it'll then be used as an additional resource. The primary stuff will still be UTRH, Knightfall and maybe the original Moench story.
There's no known instance of Batgirl: Year One being used for anything other than Barbara Gordon, it's a good story but stop kidding yourself. They'll only go through it if they plan on bringing Babs to their universe.
Yes you are free to express dissatisfaction with their choice, however it is you who is attacking people and telling them how wrong they are for getting excited for Deathstroke and that Bat fanboys are taking everything cause Batman kewl & DC sucks. Maybe you could have talked without jumping at peoples throats.
Darkseid and Thanos were irrelevant to this conversation, Thanos is not an inversion of Darkseid and even if he were Marvel wont draw attention to it and vice versa. Same goes for Deathstroke and Cap, however since Slade is showing up in Batman then there's a good chance they'll go with the anti-Batman trope. There, that's what I'm saying, it's either that or using him as a hired thug. Since he is in the Batman film this is the best angle they can go with before he fights the Titans and becomes as you said yourself "something bigger".
I'll take Priest over you any day buddy and I'm sure the people at DC and WB feel the same, Wolfman also has no problem with Deathstroke being in the Batman movie. Sure they are not infallible but what they say holds more sway than anything you'll ever say. You also keep questioning Priest's integrity but at the same time you're just making silly assumptions about him yourself. I dislike a bunch of writers myself but I'll never pretend to be above them no matter how wrong I feel they are. I notice saint Johns has still been spared your vitriol.
You said soldiers not contract killers.
Attacking me for being a fanboy who's knows nothing repeatedly, what exactly would you call that? how do you know? if you make silly assumptions about me then it is only fair that I have a fascination with your butt.
@zeeguy91: Um you brought up Croc, you brought up Moth, you brought up Batgirl: Year One, you claimed Croc fought Bane to a standstill and when each and everyone of those points were proven false you jumped to Black Mask. Where did I deflect anything? can you provide an actual example or are you just going to yap about it? and at no point did I claim Batman should have this or that. Jesus are you blind? I've already stated in clear terms that I see Deathstroke as a Teen Titans villain and that Deathstroke was not my choice for a Batman film. He wasn't even on my radar but now that he has been cast and confirmed there's nothing to be done.
Hey moron I agreed that I wouldn't mind Black Mask as the villain, I even said that there was a strong likelihood of him making it in to an upcoming Batman film and those precious rumors of yours also claimed that he was being set up. Why dont you go back and read again, at no point did I say anything against Black Mask or his involvement in the movie.
Yes this is all good and all but what does that have to do with the upcoming movie? do you think all your babbling will force Deathstroke out of the movie and get him replaced by Croc? I'm talking about the film, FILM and film makers dont care what forgettable comics he showed up in. There are dozens of comics produced every goddamn week. I already gave you the Bane and Harley examples, if hordes of forgettable comics, respect for history and whatever non sense criterion you're using were on the film makers minds then Blockbuster and Jewelee would have starred in Rises and Suicide Squad.
Mr I'm not denying reality
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Croc fighting Bane to a standstill in Knightfall
You're definition of reality is clearly different from that of a sane person...oops sorry forgot you're a lunatic.
I've already mentioned that Dick and Deathstroke may well lead to Titans, so for the final time why is your butt hurting?
Moving the target? did I claim Deathstroke wasn't inspired by Cap? did I deny the same for Darkseid and Thanos. I claimed that Deathstroke being an anti-Batman is an angle they can exploit for the movie, they cant do the same for Cap for obvious reasons(for sane people). When did Marvel and DC ripping off each other enter the equation? you're just babbling along now. There's no point in hammering his evil Cap characteristics, it takes two objects to create a meaningful contrast.
For once you're talking some sense, I actually agree with you, Deathstroke is more than just a Batman inversion. However seeing as Deathstroke is showing up in the Batman which neither you nor I can change then it's better for him to be depicted as a Batman inversion than just being a hired thug. Which one do you think is more respectful and beneficial for the character?
You're not going to defer to the view of the actual Deathstroke writer? simply because he unlike you actually has a life beyond fictional characters and therefore took two seconds longer than you or I to remember who he is, LOL entitled you surely are. But still he's controlling the character, his vision is working, he's getting praise for his work and he's done his research ever since and he isn't some cookie cutter writer either, he has influence. I also noticed you're not even mentioning Johns the guy who inserted Deathstroke in the movie, the guy who should have been aware of all this history that you keep talking about. I know, I know your butt will hurt even more attacking him because he's your favorite writer so you've given him a complete pass. Your dismissal of Priest is just petty and insulting, this is the first time in this entire debate that I'm actually feeling the need to curse you.
Oh and according to Mr know it all soldiers work on the basis of negotiable contracts,damn, it's worse than I thought.
Why should they milk Cap when they have a healthier cow in Batman?
Still not denying it I see but hey guess what I dont care if you've been reading comics for a year or ten, you're the one constantly acting as a know it all, treating others beneath you for supposedly having lesser knowledge. Stop poking your butt in to others people's personal matters and maybe they'll reciprocate.
@zeeguy91: Nice to see you no longer have any pretensions about Croc,Moth, Clayface and Firefly cause I'm pretty sure we were arguing about them not Black Mask. Nice way of dodging around, what about Croc fighting Bane to a standstill in Knightfall and totally being a hit of Valentine's run as you so eloquently claimed? you're really pathetic. As for not using Mask, take it up with your boy Johns and besides Mr butt hurt those rumors you put so much stock in to did claim that Black Mask would be the villain of the Batman movie. Make up your mind will ya.
Where did I discount decades of history? it's not like I ever said they should be killed off and never used, Jesus, we're talking about films do you like have any effing clue how films are made? here's a hint : they dont give an eff about your entitlement. You think they care about history? going by your asinine logic they'd have put Blockbuster over Bane in Rises and Punch & Jewelee over Joker and Harley in Suicide Squad.
Croc appearing in someone elses story to get whipped = he's an A-lister who deserves to be in a film according to Mr Butt hurt. Here's the thing buddy you should go get your own eyes checked because I've already said that I would rather have Hugo or Wrath as villains. But if you want me to say Slade shouldn't be the villain then that's pure lunacy BECAUSE THAT IS NOT HYPOTHETICAL, Slade IS in the movie, Sigh. So stop being a lunatic and accept reality.
Once again go effing read, I've already said that they're gonna have to go with an original story for Slade. You're the one pretending as if jobbing to Batman across media for decades = confirmed place in a movie, not me.
Thank you for telling me about Dick Mr know it all but that's neither here nor there. Besides what if Dick does show up and they angle a rivalry between him and Slade for the future/ Titans? your precious source claimed that, so once again I ask why is your butt hurting?
What do Darkseid and Thanos have to do with anything? Thanos is not an inversion of Darkseid are you mad? now I'm seriously wondering if you really are a lunatic. Without Cap Slade cannot play the role of anti-Captain America, there's nothing to invert.Since he and Batman exist in the same universe they can throw down and in the process use Slade to invert Batman. This is the angle they can go for Deathstroke in a Batman movie.
Priest is the current Deathstroke writer, he says that's he's enforcing Slade as anti-Batman everywhere, what does that have anything to do with him underestimating Slade's popularity? how does that counter the notion Deathstroke is the anti-Batman? now I guess we can call you Mr strawman as well. As for Wolfman, try reading his Teen Titans before Judas Contract with the assumption JC doesn't exist till you've reached it on your reading, it should be pretty clear what Wolfman intended his concept to be. The Cap elements were introduced in Judas Contract but as I keep telling you there were Deathstroke stories before JC was published, when Slade's origins and powers were unknown. Would you consider Slade an anti-Captain America(which isn't even a trope while anti-Batman is one btw) without the knowledge of his powers and backstory, the 2 things that most connect him to Cap? NOPE. Before JC he was a mastermind merc who operated exactly like Batman operates as a vigilante. Before JC he was a rich investor by day who used the Deathstroke identity to act anonymously, killing people instead of saving them, making himself richer in the process instead of using his wealth to help, all the while aided by his British butler. Meticulous and always thinking ahead just like Batman but without Batman's regard for life, using high tech tools, stealth and gadgets to overcome superior foes. What does this all tell you Mr know it all?
For the final time dummy read, I did not deny that Deathstroke inverts Captain America but they cant milk that angle the same way they can milk inverting Batman for obvious reasons...or it should be obvious, with lunatics you never know.
Good to know but you still don't deny joining in around New-52.
In the end this entire argument boils down to your anxiety over people thinking 'Batman is kewl and DC sucks without him" that's the source of your butt hurt, banal insecurity, you're already going kittens over internet fanboy wars that haven't happened and wont happen for years. Like I said just pathetic.
@zeeguy91: Internet intellectual oh goodie,next you'll be bragging about the size of your dick, your imaginary beautiful wife and your non existent million dollar job, I'm sure it'll all be fascinating but I ask you to refrain.
Multiple forgettable episodes of BTAS, Batgirl: Year one is inconsequential, Knightfall is Bane story Mr know it all and he got destroyed if you had bothered to read the actual story, next you'll be claiming Croc was the main villain of Suicide Squad. Valentine's run on Catwoman featured Black Mask and Hasigawa as the main villains, Croc was Selina's dumb pet and he showed up for 4 issues maybe in a support character role, NML was not a Croc story, once again congratulations on using other characters' stories to make your case. What exactly was Croc's "totally blokcbuster live action movie worthy" story in all these examples? gotta hand it to you though, you're the first person who thinks Knightfall is a Croc story, silly us for thinking it belonged to Bane and I'm sure Black Mask was totally not the villain of Valentine's Catwoman, yeah it was TOTALLY Croc.
Fighting Bane to standstill in Knightfall according to mr know it all
Valentines Catwoman
Kinda hard to be the anti-Captain America when Cap exists in another universe. Mr know it all, we didn't get Slade's origin story until JC which gave him a back story similar to Cap, he was still however an established Titans villain for a while . Before he got that backstory he was a respected business man by day operating as Deathstroke anonymously, acting from the shadows, inspiring terror along with the aid of his British butler. Scenes of Slade sitting behind his giant computer while accepting something from Wintergreen were fairly common back then. As time progressed Wolfman added a dash of James Bond and Cap. As for Priest:
Deathstroke is the dark mirror version of Batman, basically,β Priest said. βHe is every bit as resourceful, every bit as ruthless, every bit as powerful as Batman. So when the two of them face off in issue 4 and 5, it's more intellectual than it is even physical, because the two of them almost cancel each other out. They both try to outthink each other, and they both try to be three steps ahead of each other, so it's kind of interesting, and a difficult thing to write.β
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