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Epting...yay, Snyder stooges...eh, I'll give it a shot but I'm not seeing any creative diversity. The Batline is pretty much a wannabe Snyder line. Even people like King and Orlando have become poor mens Snyder. The contrast between Monster Men(Snyder lite Orlando) and the new Midnighter series( actual Orlando) is that of night and day.

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So does this mean Kate will have a less presence in Detective?

No

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@el_gato93: It's not so called A list though, it IS A list.

@entropy_aegis: Can I ask what you don't like about the Arrowverse shows? & how is putting a character that gets no love in film/comics on a very popular TV show not giving them a push? You may not like the shows but their ratings are solid & many people (both comic readers & non-readers) tune in weekly. It is very much so a push in my book. I thinkGreen Arrow season 1, 2 & half of season 3 are amazing. The Flash is amazing, Legends of Tomorrow is like an Avengers movie every week & Supergirl is a refreshing change from the male based leads while still being interesting. I just wish CW had picked up Constantine then I'd have a great DC Arrowverse show Mon-Friday.

I'm not really interested in discussing Berlanti verse here or well DC's tv output as a whole. But you like them and that's all that matters I guess.

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@entropy_aegis: I mean at least the CW shows are pushing characters that DC wouldn't have been touching for a while.

Putting a character on CW is hardly a push, it's a fringe network for people that wont bother with comics usually. They could atleast have made it up with quality. I'll keep an open mind but I'm not really feeling any urge to mark this as a priority book from my end.

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Meh tbh, feels like it's catered towards the people who watch those terrible Berlanti shows(Killer Frost really?), wouldn't be surprised if Vibe, Green Arrow, Black Canary and Martian Manhunter are the remaining members. Still my contempt for the CWishness aside, DC has succeeded in pulling a Marvel without alienating long time fans.

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Feels like retread of Johns Zoom arc.

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Is Night of the Monster Men worth reading? I've been picking up both Batman and Detective but haven't read Nightwing beyond the first issue. I don't want to read it if it's just a fill in but if it's actually good then I'll definitely check it out.

Nope, the creative effort started and ended with making the Monsters as big and grotesque as possible, now they have to be destroyed, it's filler in every sense of the word. Read Batman and the Monster Men by Matt Wagner if you can, Night of the Monster Men is bleh.

@entropy_aegis: I just finished reading issues 1 and 2. I haven't been interested in Slade since the Marv Wolfman days, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is going to be the run for the character. Thank you so much for the recommendation. I haven't been this excited for a Wednesday in a very long time!

If King's Bane isn't good, I guess I'll just stick with Deathstroke until Batman gets better. I know you said Nightwing is good, but I don't want to invest the cash if he's just going to pushed to the side for Duke and Gotham Girl. Same with Damian. The preview for Batman #9 looked great, so I guess I'll just have to wait and see!

You're welcome and yeah it's the dark horse book of Rebirth. I pray Tom King will prioritize moving forward. You can just ignore these crossovers for N-wing, they have nothing to do with his actual story.

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@zeeguy91: I said he's enjoyed a lot of exposure in Batman media, especially in the last few years. I never made a full blown statement saying that everyone recognizes him as a Batman villain or otherwise. My examples are recent and greater quantity wise, you're using a cartoon that ran it's course a decade ago in which he wasn't even called Deathstroke and in which he was Robin's nemesis. You're example is already on shaky grounds.

BATB started as a DC showcase title, the overwhelming majority of it was Batman teaming up with someone, why do you keep using selective examples? from #67-#200 straight it had Batman's name on it there's even a cartoon called Batman :TBATB.

Copperheads most known appearance in Arkham Origins and even in JL he mostly fought Batman, none of these are strikes against me, nor is him joining super villain teams. Besides he's not a replacement for Croc or Shark, not even close, try again and ofcourse you're just dismissing Ayers excuse, what else can you do at this point.

And there is still no development on the Question front, Renee taking on the mantle is still the biggest event in contemporary times and it will remain so even for the next 50 years unless DC follows up with another development that overshadows it.

Ra's is coming because of Damian,try again.

Orlando is a rising star and Tomasi's Superman is one of the(if not THE) biggest break out titles of Rebirth. You asked for talent, you got talent, specifically asking for some single person is just strawmaning. I can just as easily retort with why hasn't Johns written a main Batman book(not that I want him to).

All of those characters ended up with Batman for THEIR benefit. Black Canary got BOP, if not for that franchise she'd still be GA's girlfriend, Maggie got Batwoman and ended up in the most high profile lesbian relationship and became an important character versus being a throwaway cop. Grundy is still a communal villain, he fights Batman and Alan Scott most frequently which has been the case for decades. Only Starman is missing from the equation now. Batman didn't benefit from them even by a bit.

It's not crap, people outright oppose Cyborg on JL, either because they dont see him as JL material or because they want MMH back on the team. All things considered your argument makes the same case I did. As long as Cyborg is at his best(Titans) he'll never flourish as a solo character, history has proven it, Wolverine was a successful solo character before Avengers and X-Men generally has allowed it's characters to flourish on their own unlike the Titans. Cyborg is merely support character material in Titans.

And who inspired Superman to adopt that identity? what is the Nightwing entity itself?

What about Futures End and World's End? and before you bring up Batman Beyond I will tell you that the only reason Batman Beyond entered the picture is because Azz specifically demanded it. He said that he'd only write it if Batman Beyond was part of the story. As for GL they put plenty of effort around 2009-2012, didn't pan out, bad luck. Now they're trying Wonder Woman, lets see. The All-Star brand is still associated with Superman, ASS is the best book to come out of that brand. Ofcourse if you want Frank Miller and Jim Lee bringing ASBAR quality then you're more than welcome to have it. As for the current ASB series both Snyder and Romita have worked on Superman, suffice to say people weren't overly pleased with their output.

Wonder Woman is getting effort, GL certainly did a few years back and Supergirl as well because of the tv show.

The Flash and Arrow shows are too problematic to ape, Olcity and Black Wally by themselves are ideas that are controversial and any attempt to force them on to comic fans will see their sales slump while there's no guarantee tv fans will rush to stores to buy such comics.

I didn't mention Byrne though and Claremont is known exclusively for X-Men, no one cares for his Avengers. Similarly Dixon is known largely for Batman, only after DC forced him out did he get some recognition for G.I Joe. His Marvel work might as well be negligible, he launched Nightwing, BOP and Robin at Batman while creating Bane to boot. He did have a GA run with Connor and guess what happened? fanboyism took over once he was gone and Ollie returned.

DC has no say on taglines, Johns is now known for Batman Earth One,JL and GL, these are his most dominant creator credits not JSA or TT.

Wally barely utilized Barry's mythos until Johns came along and revamped the Rogues. Barry's hit tv show on the other hand almost entirely uses the speed force as it's story telling crutch. But it still doesn't change the fact that a successful property was tanked in favor of fanboyism and Barry's first show was hardly a hit,please.

They capitalized on GL when Johns was on board, he got a movie, an animated series and 2 animated movies, GL flunked, plain and simple, everything Venditti did was as a reaction to the failure. Doesn't help that Fialkov was phased out because a certain someone wanted Stewart dead and replaced by Baz, Johns merely created a bubble that burst the moment he left. GL's success in economic terms was just not sustainable, it was too event driven and was getting polarizing due to it's treatment of GLs' not named Jordan, the stories were getting rote and repetitive, people just had invested to much to dump Johns outright but they found a perfect exit point when Johns left. It's the same bubble that tanked New-52 Superman and it could potentially hurt Batman as well which is precisely why I want Snyder off the Bat books at the earliest. Johns is equally to share blame for GL as Venditti.

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Book is ok, all I can say is that it did improve considerably with #2.

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Shouldn't killer Croc be dead from that one blast of heat vision? I mean dude is not that strong in the grand scale of things, he's just a buff human with tougher skin.

PIS is a glorious thing ain't it?

Only reason a match up like this even lasts more than a few pages. Zod should speedblitz them in seconds. After all guy took down MMH.

Yeah and that wasn't PIS at all...

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All this whining about zod joining the team, their gonna be fighting the league in the next big crossover, so they at least need a heavy hitter of zods caliber to stand a rats ass chance.

But that in itself is stupid. What reason outside of character induced stupidity or plot induced stupidity does Zod have to join a small team of black ops humans while being under the thumb of a human...Zod is a megalomaniac who does thing on his own merits and hates humanity to boot. Its out of character for the thought of him even being submissive to another team of humans given his powers and ego.

Or maybe you should atleast wait for the writer to given an explanation? for all you know she promises him a time travel machine that takes him back to Krypton, there it just took 2 seconds for me to imagine an angle for Zod. Plus there's K-nite galore in the DCU to keep him in check on the field and red sun lamps in his cells during confinement.

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@entropy_aegis: Thank you so much! You saved me $18!

The only reason I jumped on Batman was because of Bane because I read your comments on the first issues, and I hold your opinion in high regard. I'm not reading any other books. I was thinking about getting Deathstroke, but it was just getting kind of average reviews. Then again, critics praise Scott Snyder as if he's sneezes masterpieces so maybe I shouldn't care. After seeing the critical reaction to the last issue of "Death of the Family" and seeing so many articles how incredible Snyder was, I think I should have learned.

Thanks man and I would definitely recommend Deathstroke, the plot admittedly moves slow but the book is heavy and always leaves me full. That fullness comes from the extent of the characterization that Priest gives his characters, the people there actually feel multidimensional and real as opposed to writing hundreds of words as some writers are prone to. It's a smartly written book, that's for sure, give it 2 issues and then decide if you want to commit.

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@nightfang3: Thanks for that! I was skipping the event, but now I have to buy it. Bane's ma boy!

No need, Bane's portion was covered in Batman #6(final issue of I am Gotham). Proceed to I am Suicide, Monster Men is just another worthless crossover, it's just covering Hugo Strange's story from I am Gotham as an after thought.

Fantastic preview, one of the best I've read for a Batman book. Where was this King for the last 4 months? lets hope a lot more of this moving forward and a lot less of The character that shall not be named. It's clear King can do wonders when he actually cares about the characters he writing, just a few pages were rquired to make the Bane cool and interesting vs the 7 or so issues with Duke. more Bane and Catwoman moving forward, dont lose perspective Tom, prioritize.

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