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I was introduced to Carol as Ms Marvel so that will always have a primary place for her for me. But I’ve liked her… https://t.co/OuWe0KWJa0

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Unless she got a counter to phasing, or telepathy I’m not seeing how she wins, hell she could get decapitated also.

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#3  Edited By ecstaticgrace

Namor hanged with base thanos ,aquaman hanged with superman.

Superman >hulk/thor>>>thanos.

Namor broke his hand punching Thanos once This scaling is bad all together though

Aquaman has better showings in regards to physicals and is more versatile.

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You seemed to be arguing that mera is a teambuster. Does WW scale to supoerman or not? What is she? Is this site still having double standard syndrome regarding scaling and ABC logic when it comes to Diana?

Not necessarily I think teambuster is an arbitrarily term. Deathstroke is a teambuster if we go off showings. There’s no real tier for it. Mera just has abilities that allow her to take down characters physically above her. It’s as simple as that. I’ve posted multiple instances and shown several scans there’s no double standard and ABC logic honestly backs up what’s honestly been blatantly shown…

1.) Direct Showings: Mera subdued Wonder Woman in their only encounter against each other in modern continuity

2.) Scaling: Ocean Master not only subdued Wonder Woman but also knocked her out. Mera was shown to be superior to Orm regardless of his lightning or hydrokinesis. Diana simply wasn’t.

3.) Feats: I honestly think Mera just looks better here with stuff like holding back a global alien flood and indirectly threatening the entire east coast with her hydrokinesis

Ive posted all this several times over in the thread. Logic just keeps getting thrown out the window for whatever reason

But i will give you a more clear answer yet. If i am supposed to believe that a whirpool or a lightning bolt should be enough to end Diana or Clark. Considering how powerful they are supposed to be according to DC. Then my conclusion would be they are not really powerful. And so, mera and arthur matching them doesn't make them powerul either. Because there is nothing impressive power wise, about going down by a whirpool or a lightning attack. That is pathetically weak.

You’re aware hydrokinesis is as powerful as the user right? I don’t get what kind of logic that is. Lightning being artificially created doesn’t imply it’s at the same level of power as natural lightning. Those are feats for Mera and Orm’s power not feats for whirlpools and lightning

I would like to know how powerful a whirpoll or lightning is supposed to be take out WW and SM. Those things must either be very powerful. Or WW and SM simply aren't as powerful as DC says they are.

Again those are feats for the Atlanteans power. Not for whirlpools or lightning. Those things are as powerful as Mera or Orm is. I’m not even sure how that’s a hard concept to grasp.

equivalent of complaining about GL’s harming high tiers with light… I get hit with light everyday in the real world… You get how weird of logic that is?

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@agent41:

You seemed to be arguing that mera is a teambuster. Does WW scale to supoerman or not? What is she? Is this site still having double standard syndrome regarding scaling and ABC logic when it comes to Diana?

Not necessarily I think teambuster is an arbitrarily term. Deathstroke is a teambuster if we go off showings. There’s no real tier for it. Mera just has abilities that allow her to take down characters physically above her. It’s as simple as that. I’ve posted multiple instances and shown several scans there’s no double standard and ABC logic honestly backs up what’s honestly been blatantly shown…

1.) Direct Showings: Mera subdued Wonder Woman in their only encounter against each other in modern continuity

2.) Scaling: Ocean Master not only subdued Wonder Woman but also knocked her out. Mera was shown to be superior to Orm regardless of his lightning or hydrokinesis. Diana simply wasn’t.

3.) Feats: I honestly think Mera just looks better here with stuff like holding back a global alien flood and indirectly threatening the entire east coast with her hydrokinesis

Ive posted all this several times over in the thread. Logic just keeps getting thrown out the window for whatever reason

But i will give you a more clear answer yet. If i am supposed to believe that a whirpool or a lightning bolt should be enough to end Diana or Clark. Considering how powerful they are supposed to be according to DC. Then my conclusion would be they are not really powerful. And so, mera and arthur matching them doesn't make them powerul either. Because there is nothing impressive power wise, about going down by a whirpool or a lightning attack. That is pathetically weak.

You’re aware hydrokinesis is as powerful as the user right? I don’t get what kind of logic that is. Lightning being artificially created doesn’t imply it’s at the same level of power as natural lightning. Those are feats for Mera and Orm’s power not feats for whirlpools and lightning

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Not even a Mera fan but can’t make this stuff up… not sure how Mera would struggle with Starfire when she physically should scale a tier above and has hax Kori has no resistance too… Post ain’t adding up.

Diana has been dropped by Ocean Master and restrained by Orm in Throne of Atlantis. 2 different instances.

1.) Being restrained by a whirlpool

2.) Being dropped by lightning

Diana also got held back by Orm’s hydrokinesis in Obsidian Age…. Mera‘s only instance of losing to Orm is being weakened… partially recovered she beat Orm while he was cheating.. Not sure how anyone could even argue on consistency Mera being below Diana… Diana doesn’t consistently operate at a planet level… and in terms of who they fought and how they performed any scaling favors Mera.

How consistently does Diana is and should be defeated by a whirlpool and a lightning attack nased on her whole catalogue? Doesn't she has better feats than those onstances too?

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Consistently enough by Atlanteans since the three times Royal Atlanteans have done it to her Diana was subdued. I’d argue that’s basis enough to credit it. Diana has a lot of antifeats in regards to lightning as well. So does Superman actually..

Diana has barely operated at planetary level anything in most of her modern hostory. But i am pretty sure mera has never operated t that level like not even once.

I don’t think I claimed Mera did, but on high ends consistently Mera’s feats outweigh Her lower end feats. the same can’t be said for Diana. Mera also does have a feat of holding back a global alien flood. So that would technically be planetary

Alot of you argue with emotions instead of logic and debates become messy because of this. A lot of the stuff your stating I never said. Last paragraph highlights that.

So mera is consistently portrayed as stronger and faster than WW Post Crisis and onwards based on feats? So she is above Aquaman too, who is said to be equal to current WW? mera has the advantage that, as a less known and used character, she has been used as a jobber less amount of times than Big IP characters like superman, WW, Flash etc. You can bet they all have more low end moments than her because of this. Doesn't mean she is more powerful than either of them overall

Never stated Mera was faster or stronger then Wonder Woman. I did however state Mera has kept up with Zombie Wonder Woman in physicals. Which is backed up with the fact it happened in the comics. A bloodlusted Diana didn’t overpower Mera and this was a Mera who didn’t do a lot of her internal hydrokinesis stuff. Which didn’t happen until after Flashpoint. The internal hydrokinesis stuff Diana has no defense or counter against. It’s as simple as that. Lightning which Diana doesn’t really use could be Dodged. Narration has stated Mera moves faster than lightning. Wonder Woman is stronger and faster? So what? Mera has shown she’s able to keep up which is backed up by multiple instances in comics

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Not even a Mera fan but can’t make this stuff up… not sure how Mera would struggle with Starfire when she physically should scale a tier above and has hax Kori has no resistance too… Post ain’t adding up.

Diana has been dropped by Ocean Master and restrained by Orm in Throne of Atlantis. 2 different instances.

1.) Being restrained by a whirlpool

2.) Being dropped by lightning

Diana also got held back by Orm’s hydrokinesis in Obsidian Age…. Mera‘s only instance of losing to Orm is being weakened… partially recovered she beat Orm while he was cheating.. Not sure how anyone could even argue on consistency Mera being below Diana… Diana doesn’t consistently operate at a planet level… and in terms of who they fought and how they performed any scaling favors Mera.

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@mage101: A lot of your examples are context heavy, don’t really hold any semblance of meaning or didn’t happen the way you think it happened. The whole site is filled with bias and other wack debaters I don’t get why mentioning any other users on here would make you feel like you have any reasonable credibility

Superman, Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman didn’t move the earth for example in Obsidian Age. Thats probably one of the most misconstrued feats I’ve ever seen. I don’t even get how anyone who has read the story even comes to that conclusion. I could understand someone thinking that’s what happened if they’re just looking at the images but if you actually read the story and came to that conclusion. Your ability to comprehend is sketched.

“A demonic onslaught that would of destroyed the earth” in what capacity?

I honestly question a lot of the black hole stuff that’s done with a magical lasso but that’s its own thing.

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@mage101:

Monica isn't carol having the same power set doesn't give you the same feats and I'm not too familiar with Kyle and I never stated that green lantern energies can't be drained, but not all green lanterns are equal in terms of uniqueness and power levels. And Monica didn't fully drain Kyle he was still able to operate after that.

Weird excuse. Energy absorption isn’t Monica’s bread and butter. It is for Carol. Kyle was on the losing end. He got saved by Captain Atom..

Carol in Binary has also overwhelmed Monica to put that out there.