DocJude

" @DocJude: So ... you join a comic forum so you can call the people on it they have no lifes .. and why ? because they joined a comic forum:S point well made :S:S "

All of the scans you posted of GA fighting random thugs and beating them, Nightwing has three times as many instances of fighting highly trained assassins/ninja's in droves and destroying them. GA is not at Dick's level of skill. "

" @Vance Astro said:

" @k4tzm4n said:

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Vance, don't bother trying to have a serious debate with DJ.  I made that mistake in another MK thread before quickly realizing it's a total waste of effort.

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He hasn't responded.My last post to him was from this morning.I've seen your debates with him.I only responded because I caught him trying to use a ridiculous comparison involving DD. "

Correcting one of his (many) ridiculous statements is how it always begins. lol "

" @DocJude said:

 The differences in Daken having super speed and pheromones and somehow "always being where his opponent isn't looking" being something he was supposedly trained to do, WHILE PRODUCING THE SAME EFFECT, is exactly like Lee & Miller's differences. In one, DD gains all these abilities from chemicals, while Miller has DD gain abilities through training.  How is this different????  & as far as this "always being where his opponent isn't looking" crap goes, WHY DOESN'T HE DO IT ALL THE TIME? No one should be able to touch him then, esp if he can pull it off with Logan. This guys shouldn't ever get hit by anyone, but he gets hit by Franken-Castle & taken out by those jokers in Dark Wolverine #79 & the only reason we're even talking about him is because that women decides to let him live. The list goes on... "

Just because you said not to mention doesn't mean there was any purpose to you mentioning those instances.They had nothing to do with the point I was making. The things you are trying to compare aren't comparable.Pheromones and Super Speed DON'T produce the same effect.If Daken is using pheromones to APPEAR faster..that's not the same thing as HAVING super speed and that has nothing to do with Miller and Lee.Stan Lee wrote something that doesn't make sense (someone losing their sight and then somehow how they're a great martial artist and acrobat) and Miller fixed it (giving him one of the best martial arts masters so that his skill level makes sense). You tell me how those things are comparable because I don't see how they are.Someone becoming a top tier martial artist two different ways is clearly alot different than having or NOT having superspeed.Daken either has it or he doesn't.Also if you're using Frankencastle to try and say he doesn't..that's another failed comparison because NOBODY in comics is untouchable..not the Flash,not Silver Surfer,not the other dozens of characters we know are far faster than half of the characters fight.No comic company is going to ever show you consistent fights where one opponent doesn't get hit because of their superiority in speed.Nobody would read the comics if they could predict who will win based on speed.Marvel wouldn't let Daken fight Frank if they weren't going to let Frank hit him. "

There's nothing wrong with changing position.I make mistakes and can admit when I'm wrong.However,Stan Lee's DD and Miller's still have the virtually same abilities.Stan Lee's DD is an Olympic level acrobat and a great boxer.Miller's DD has the same stats.His agility and boxing prowess are both addressed in Miller's run.Now what I was responding to was about Daredevil's abilities in comparison to what you're saying about Daken.Miller is only a better judge of DD's skills because he added on to what Stan Lee had already done.He didn't however change any skills or abilities that DD already had,just changed how he got them.Developing a character further is different than having a completely different depiction of what someone can do physically.(ei. differing statements between writers about Daken's speed) The stuff about Murdock's mom and his age and Foggy..none of that has anything to do with Murdock's skills and abilities.

Lee and Miller would barely have differing opinions on fighting skill in DD's case because Miller just added some fighting styles and training by a master,DD's skill level didn't hardly changed.The caliber of characters he was able to defeat and fight well against in Lee's run are the same caliber of characters he was able to defeat or fight well against in Miller's run and even in more recent comics (pre-shadowland).

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Here's Green Arrow dodging bullets.....from a dude that has lost his glasses and has one eye covered.  
 
He also admits that even though he's fighting just one gunman who is damn near blind, he's GETTING LUCKY in that he isn't getting hit. 
 
Then, instead of defeating the blinded assassin, he turns tail and RUNS AWAY.
 

  Tell me that's half as impressive as Grayson regularly taking on a dozen guys with automatics and demolishing them. "

" @DocJude:
For being a troll, narrow minded, and total doucher.  Those seem like pretty valid reasons. I guess if everyone hates you, the problem is clearly with everyone else, right?  Just one example.  You'll cry about "bad writing" if it goes against a character you love, but you'll have no issue pulling the "bad writing" card if it goes against your case.  Classic trolling 101. "

@Vance Astro said: Stan Lee's take on DD's origin and Frank Miller's is basically the same.Miller just had Stick teach Matt what he learned on his own in Stan Lee's rendition.Murdock's solo training at Fogwell's gym was still shown..it just wasn't used as the sole reason for Murdock's level of control over his abilities and his level of martial arts skill.Miller didn't change his abilities he just gave a better explanation for how good Murdock is at using them.All of the skills Stan Lee created Daredevil with were addressed in Miller's run.He didn't change Daredevil's abilities

" @DocJude said:

"dodging them is dodging them."

Really?  Because in that story, it looked a lot more like Ollie took cover and Drakon just missed him. "

" @Ferro Vida: I assure you he'll be banned right as FA returns.  But, he'll likely be back shortly after under an alt account. "

" @DocJude said:

So, I actually AM going to have to provide scans of The Man W/O Fear #1... this is pathetic....

Posting those scans didn't contradict what I just said. "

" @DocJude: There's a shocker, you twisted something I said around to change it's meaning. Where ever have I seen you do that before?  I'm done talking to you, if you hadn't guessed. "