DocFatalis

@Chibio said:

@DocFatalis said:

I don't understand what you mean? Why would villains like Metallo or Luthor in armor or Darkseid or Atlas hitting Superman would be a plot device? It happens all the time, and even if they don't get the upper hand after that, they do manage to hit him. Dante has a sword that cuts through everything effortlessly, so it seems reasonable to me to imagine that if he manages to hit Superman with it the way those villains have, we'll just get two half Supermen.

Are you suggesting that we shouldn't consider what happens in the stories but only the statistics or something?

Dante has NEVER faced anyone who is as durable as Superman.
And I will repeat it once again. Lady, a mere human, is able to defeat the regular demons in the DMC universe and would probably not die instantly, if she would face one of the more powerful demons. Everything we saw from the demons in the game wasn't that special. Why not? Because the powerlevels of that universe are vastly below the powerlevels of the DC universe.
Mundus as a demon king is not as powerful as most of the more powerful DC villains. Saying that Dante would cut through Superman is just stupid. It's plain stupid.

Superman gets tagged by Metallo and Lex Luthor, but it was already stated once that Superman often takes the attacks, to avoid enviromental damage. He knows that he can take it, while that doesn't apply for the others.

@SlimJ87D said:

@Lady_Liberty said:

@e3zombie: Considering Dante is shown being stabbed, and shot fairly regularly I think its safe to say he doesn't have Clark's reflexes.

The only times I really saw him get hit was from Nero and he was laughing and toying with Nero. I think all the other times were just for dramatic effect. Like in DMC3 he lets all the monsters stab him and he walks around eating a pizza while they're stuck on him.
In combat he has cut bullets in mid air, shot bullets with bullets, traded sword blows with his brother that their sword strikes covered so much area it created a barrier that stopped rain from hitting them. He also performs the stinger 1000 which does 100 stabs in a few seconds, the description says he does 1000 of them but that could be a hyperbole due to the name.

People aren't arguing what I wrote above though, they're saying if you throw in his quicksilver ability and it just multiplies the ridiculous speed he already has a dozen times or more.

Yes, Dante in his Devil Trigger WITH Quicksilver would give him amazing speed, but he still wouldn't be able to take down Superman fast enough. You're all talking like Dante is able to dish out planet busting attacks with everything he throws at his opponents. That's not what Dante is doing at all. Additionally to that Dante does lose demonic energy when he uses his devil trigger. Also when he uses the Quicksilver. If he would use them at the same time, he would be empty in a matter of seconds and that's not enough to defeat someone as durable as Superman, who would STILL be faster than Dante. Even if Superman needs 3 seconds to circle the globe, that's more than Dante can even imagine to do. Supermans strenght combined with the additive force that comes from the increased mass of Superman after he traveled around the globe would create such a devastating impact that Dante would simply drop. Dante gets way too overrated in this thread. I'm thinkin about creating a Dante VS Bayonetta thread and look what you guys have to say there :-|

You watch the language. If you can not debate without insulting people, just stop logging in and look at yourself in the mirror repeating "you are right" all day.

@Vance Astro said:

@DocFatalis said:

Otherwise all I see is a Superman cut in half by someone much faster than many of the DC villains who have once landed a punch or two on Superman.

Don't use plot devices to make a point.

I don't understand what you mean? Why would villains like Metallo or Luthor in armor or Darkseid or Atlas hitting Superman would be a plot device? It happens all the time, and even if they don't get the upper hand after that, they do manage to hit him. Dante has a sword that cuts through everything effortlessly, so it seems reasonable to me to imagine that if he manages to hit Superman with it the way those villains have, we'll just get two half Supermen.

Are you suggesting that we shouldn't consider what happens in the stories but only the statistics or something?

@Chibio said:

Everyone, stop responding to NeonGameWave. It's obvious that he is very biased towards Dante and that he ignores the fact that Superman would be faster than Dante even while the Quicksilver is active, since the Quicksilver does not stop time, but just slow it down, to a point where Superman would still be moving a lot faster than Dante. Additionally to that the Devil Trigger does not give Dante invulnerability. It just lets him regen the health, while Superman would still be able to do more damage than the Devil Trigger could heal. Dante is vastly, vastly, vastly outclassed in this fight and I'm saying it again: The only character from that type of fighting games who could compete (and actually easily defeat Superman) would be Bayonetta.

Who died and made you ruler of the forums?

I for one think that @NeonGameWave has brought a lot of valuable information that has been consistently ignored because the other debaters wanted Supes to win no matter what. Most of your argumentation relies on the fact that Dante's powers would not be coming from magic which is pure interpretation on your side. Try to find anything solid to prove that, anything that is not you arbitrarily deciding that demonic power is not magic by origin and then it might make your points vaguely interesting. Otherwise all I see is a Superman cut in half by someone much faster than many of the DC villains who have once landed a punch or two on Superman.

This needs to be locked for cause of spite I believe.

I'll ask for professional opinion though:

@god_spawn

@Vance Astro

This thread did spin out of control. A mod to lock it maybe please?

@Vance Astro

@_Mercy_

Step 1: Freezing time.

Step 2: Cutting Superman into thin slices with magic Yamato sword.

I've said it before in an other thread, I don't think it's a good idea to root Dante against classic comics character: if we take is complete power set and equipment, the guy is almost unbeatable by anyone below skyfather level. Maybe a serious telepath could do it?

@Babs: Both Deadpool covers are exceptional. Did you ever think about having yourself drawn by some of those artists? If I were you I would already have a broad collection of "myself according to..."

If you give Hellboy a bit of preparation, he can take this, otherwise, Estacado is way too powerful and the only thing the BPRD will find in the morning is the right hand of doom.

@Pfcoolio15: That is precisely what I expected you to say, and that is one of the reasons why the old concept of race can not apply to our world anymore. So it's not really important to know what the colour of the face of the speedster is like, what's important is who he is and what his moral values are. You can complain that someone is behaving like a jerk or incompetent at what he is doing, but you can't complain at the colour of his skin or where he's coming from.

I think I understand what your observation was about (as much as someone not living in USA can), but I also think that you are picking the wrong fight here: the number of black or white speedster is I believe far less important nowadays than what those guys stand for and what model they represent for children, no matter their cultural background.

@Pfcoolio15: So "mixed" is a race? Interesting.

I believe you have to reconsider a few things in the way you see human beings.