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@scouterv: Yeah, I'd love to see a GA movie too, one that actually sticks to his own stories and proves he's more than just a Batman copy. The saddest thing about the show, IMO, is how little faith the producers have in their own character that they feel the only way he can appeal to a mass audience is by making him closer to Batman. Kinda hard to expect people NOT to compare them when the show itself actually steals Bat villains and stories to pass off as GA's. There's really no excuse for the whole Ra's Al Ghul heir thing. Total rip-off right down to the shirtless sword-fighting.

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@scouterv: GA can't be a dark brooding vigilante in the DC universe without being compared to a certain other dark brooding vigilante that he happens to be based on. There's just no stopping the comparisons, I'm afraid. It comes with the territory. That will always be GA's burden as a character. So why not make it easier on the poor guy by sticking to the distinct personality he's come to be known for? Even his goatee has a distinct personality all its own. IMO, they'd be doing him a favor. Think JLU animated GA or Injustice GA. Those are great versions that are not dark and broody. The less like Batman he is, the better for him.

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@scouterv: Oliver may be a vigilante, but I wouldn't describe him as dark and broody. At least, not till the show made him so. And I realize that Batman is hardly the first to do the "broody night vigilante" thing in general, but he is thebroody night vigilante of the DC universe and anyone within the same universe who does the same gig will inevitably be compared to him. The least they could do is keep Oliver's own personality intact for the show.

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@scouterv: I mentioned how I love Ra's using the honorific 'Detective' when addressing Batman. I didn't mean he was actually looking for a detective. He was looking for an heir, and Batman was the whole package for him. I agree that comics GA has distinguished himself from Batman over the years, and he may not be a detective, but the show's interpretation of him as this dark brooding vigilante of the night is actually a lot closer to Batman than to the Green Arrow in the comics. If they really want to distinguish him from Batman, they should have just stuck to their own source material.

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@scouterv: They deal with superpowered people all the time. Why wouldn't they talk about Superman or at least make some small reference to him if they existed in the same universe? Vixen shows up out of nowhere. They could say, "So she's not a native of Central City. She was nowhere near the particle accelerator when it blew up, and yet she has powers. You know who else fits that description? A certain alien in blue. Hey, what if Vixen's an alien too?" It's not unreasonable to think the subject would be broached. I don't expect them to talk about Superman 24/7, especially in the live-action show, but calling Vixen the first outside of Central City when Superman (and possibly his supervillains) has been around for years, that's quite an oversight on Cisco's part. He should know better.

To be fair, I don't think New52 Batman even has a degree in anything. I don't care about that or about exaggerating his abilities to superhuman proportions. But he is the World's Greatest Detective. It's his freaking title. (I also love how Ra's Al Ghul addresses him as "Detective" in BTAS.) That's who he is. It's the essence of the character. I think it should be constant throughout any universe. No one can take that away from him. Certainly not Green Arrow. Sure, there's always gonna be a better fighter or a stronger warrior or someone with a higher IQ. But it's the combination of all these traits that Batman has in varying degrees that makes him the best at what he does. Unfortunately for Green Arrow, he's a blatant copy of Batman. Even DC calls him "Batman with a bow". So he will always come in second to the Bat. Unless of course, Batman doesn't exist in a certain universe, in which case Green Arrow is free to fill in the "Batman" role all he wants.

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@scouterv said:

I thought they said Deadbolt was the first one to leave Central City? Like, he got his powers from the Particle Accelerator, saw The Flash was cleaning up Central and didn't want to tangle with him. Saw Starling as easy money with no other metas.

And to be fair, neither Vixen or Superman is a meta. I feel like Alien would probably be the first guess if he was nowhere near Central City. Vixen would likely fall into the Meta category for them first though.

In the Vixen webseries, Cisco said she was the first meta spotted outside of Central City, not the first to leave. She's from Detroit, nowhere near Central City either, but "alien" never even occurred to them. I've always just thought "metahuman" was an umbrella term for anyone on earth with special powers. If they made a distinction between meta and alien, then they should have at least considered that Vixen might be one or the other, but they automatically labelled her a meta (she later tells them it's magic though). Nothing wrong with that, but it does become a minor discrepancy if they do decide to merge the Supergirl universe with the CW. It's possible Superman might have fought other metas through the years as well. It can't have all been natural disasters and kittens stuck in trees. In which case a whole bunch of superpowered people might have already existed outside of Central City and long before Vixen ever showed up.

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Also, to be fair, even in the comics, everyone has essentially been around for the same amount of time. Green Arrow, Nightwing, and Batman aren't terribly far apart, I think. Dick's gotta be in about his mid-20s? Give or take. So Bruce is early to mid-30s. Oliver is in his early 30s I'm pretty sure. Ra's targeting Oliver in this reality doesn't necessarily mean Batman doesn't exist (I don't think he does, but this is food for thought) it could just mean Bruce isn't as good as Oliver. Oliver is the one who fulfilled the prophecy of surviving Ra's sword. (Technically Malcolm did too). He may be aware of Bruce, but probably just didn't see him as an heir, even if he was Batman.
I also believe Dick was going to be Robin to start the series off. Which could hint that Bruce does exist as Batman. But (and I'm not sure if Flashpoint changed this,) he got the idea to be Nightwing from a Kryptonian legend. It's possible, he knows Superman which would sort of also open the door to crossover with Supergirl. Just a thought.

Yeah, that's another theory. And no offense to Oliver fans (I love him too) but personally, I think a world where Batman isn't as good as Green Arrow is a more far-fetched idea than a world where Batman doesn't exist. ;P

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Oh don't worry. For Marvel you do count. The numbers are just kept secret. Marvel doesn't release any numbers in fact. These are all from a third party.

Oh I know that. But it's one distributor. In one continent. That's pretty localized. Tip of the iceberg. Or is Diamond the only one that releases numbers? Would be nice to see the whole picture for a change.

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Super cute. Same team behind Li'l Gotham. I'm gonna read this.

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O.O Would love to get that gorgeous Lee Bermejo cover as an art print.

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What's with all the complaining? I used to think DC neglected their other characters too. But now I can see there's been a genuine effort to push more characters in the spotlight. So a popular character's getting another book. Big deal. But their comics lineup has never been more diverse than it is now, and just look at all the upcoming movies and TV series. When the movies come out, their corresponding comics will likely get a sales boost as well, same thing that's going on at Marvel thanks to the MCU. So just chill, people. No need to get so bitter and negative.