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@darkpsychiclord_prime: Hmm. Actually you're right, I just assumed It was Enigma because he's been going around feeding on other Dominions. So I could be wrong about that.

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@darkpsychiclord_prime: Enigma is stronger than other Dominions and is considered a rogue Dominion that eats other dominions.

He was stated to be a threat to eternity and TOAA, and The Beyonders were so scared of Enigma that they tried to reboot the multiverse to end him.

Enigma eating Legion doesn't mean that other Dominions would be able to beat Legion.

And Galactus being above other Dominions doesn't mean that Galactus is above Enigma.

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. There's no need to distinguish between offense feats and general TP feats. Given Xemnu has proven to be telepathically superior to Savage Hulk's psychic resistances, the very same resistances Jean and Xavier struggle to get through, he's automatically a very good opponent for Jean. Multiple planetary feats. Explicitly mentioned that he controlled and altered the minds of the X-men. Very powerful and respectable psi-bolts. Psychically superior to Cho Hulk and Devil Hulk. Whatever way you wanna cut it, Jean is not beating Xemnu before Hulk and Colossus deal with the others. It's practically a stalemate for a while, and his physicals + TK put him above Jean IMO. He could certainly still multitask and damage other ladies on the team.

Interested in the Xenmu vs Jean parts of this thread, soo I wanted to reply to this.

There's no need to distinguish between offense feats and general TP feats.

1. Tp range feats, and power feats in general don't always determine how psychic fights go. Gamemaster is a telepath was able to read the mind of everyone on the planet automatically, and 90s Jean who didnt have feats on that level was able to send him running on the astral plane. Shadow King has controlled the planet but been beaten by Psylocke in astral combat.

There are things like

> Astral combat

>Astral plane manipulation and astral traps/cages, use of astral or psychic armor

>psychic viruses

>psychic draining

>special abilities like psi knives or psi blades

can come into play

2. Given Xemnu has proven to be telepathically superior to Savage Hulk's psychic resistances, the very same resistances Jean and Xavier struggle to get through,

> Jean has faced Savage hulk only once, back in her second weakest form (mini skirt marvel girl) and she got through his defesnes and turned him back to human, and shes gone through lik 5 power growth spurts since then.

Xavier had issues with him but still got into his mind, and Xavier has also gotten 2-3 amps since then. You can't directly use those feats to compare and place Xenmu above the current versions of them (especially when a weaker Jean didn't fail)

3. Multiple planetary feats.

> Jean and Xavier are also planetary telepaths, what set's Xenmu apart is he mindcontrolled the planet while they did stufd like draining or channeling. While the planetary control is good power level feat, it doesn't necessarily place him above them.

> Its already been mentioned that Jean has fought multiple people that have tped the planet. People far stronger than Xenmu ( The celestial, supreme intelligence, nightmare, Knull who controlled trillions, Nova who lobotomized trillions, Onslaught 3.0 who controlled a planet) and a weaker teenage 616 Jean has statements of being stronger than Ultimate Jean grey who brainwashed her planet. She also has feats scaling her over current Cerebro Xavier, who in his base form has beaten a planetary mind controller multiple times.

Jean has gone up against multiple people with better mass mind control feats than her , and has done pretty well against them. So Xenmus multiple planetary control feats aren't really giving him the advantage you think. She has the combat feats, skill feats, the scaling, the experience, the psi defense feats and her own planetary tp feats (mostly draining and channeling, but solidifying that she's in the same power class to do tp on a planetary level), to say that she can deal with Xenmu adequately.

4. Explicitly mentioned that he controlled and altered the minds of the X-men.

> This never happened. Not on panel. Xenmu making a psychic announcement and claiming hes an Xmen doesnt mean he controlled the Xmen. The xmen were specifically busy and not available as stated in the comic, its not even known if they're on the planet.

Meanwhile Xmen foes like Shadow king controls the entire planet (with multiple psychics shown to be affected on panel), and Xtelepaths have been able to fight and beat him. The Celestial controlled all the eternals, a phoenix host, the planet and all xmen on panel and jean could shield from its attacks, break into its mind and was stated to be able to kill it with her psi knife.

Nightmare dropped all the avengers, plunged the universe into sleep and Has been beaten by Jean twice.

5. Very powerful and respectable psi-bolts.

>Yeah, Xenmu has powerful psi blasts, but Jeans psychic defenses have stood up against powerful psychic attacks

> Jean takes psychic attacks from a celestial, while holding apart a mini star.

While strained She outright blocks psychic attacks from Nova who was tearing apart Cerebra Xaviers mind, and lobotomized trillions of minds.

The original Onslaught couldn't break into Jeansmiental defenses, and then when he was amped by franklin and nate grey (and draining the entire astral plane), she and cable were protecting the xmen from him.

At a time where she had no telepathy, her regular mental defense could protect her from 4 alien telepaths trying to break into her mind.

Shes shielded millions of people from a psychic attack confirmed to be able to kill them All.

She shielded herself ironman, 2 eternal telepaths and mr sinister from psi pressure from acelestial that they confirmed would kill them.

Shes had the pain of trillions thrown into her mind as an attack and got back up after a minute

Shes had the stranger open her mind to see the entire universe and no sold it while its had people like juggernaut screaming or mastermind catatonic.

While stabbed with power suppressing magic knife her astral form still protected people from Cerebros Xavier mental command.

Xemnus psi blasts are great, but I have more faith in Jeans psi defenses holding out against them

6. Psychically superior to Cho Hulk and Devil Hulk.

> No comparison to make Here. Jean has never interracted with cho hulk and his psi defenses arent particularlyastonishing. Her only interraction with Devil hulk is not finding when searching. In an actual fight with him in her front, we don't know if she would be unable to affect at all. Multiple people have been able to mask from cerebro, but when facing the actual psychic face to face would lose (Pale girl, Hope, Cable when he had no tp, teen Jean etc Pale girl was masking from cerebro xavier, but getting trolled by Quentin face to face)

And compared to Jean wrestling with the minds of cosmic threats like A celestial, Nightmare, Knull, Lifeseed Nate grey, Onslaught, Phoenix, supreme intelligence etc... Xenmu being superior to Cho Hulk or Devil Hulk isn't going to change minds

I don't subscribe to the use of scaling chains, but if we use them

Xenmu got stalemated by classic Moondragon. Amped current Moondragon (fusion between classic and Heroverse moondragon) gets trounced by Knull, while jean breaks into Knulls mind, causes him pain and ransacks his memory.

Also Moondragon and 2 other other telepaths struggled with a weakend Thanos mind. Emma breaks into weakened Thanos mind and hurts him. Jean beats Emma multiple times (including Emma with a piece of the phoenix force, and emma witha shard of the cosmic cube)

Now, know it's not all cut and dry like that, but it paints a picture.

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@oceanmaster21: I was not aware of that, noted. Yeah, team 2 is taking the win.

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@oceanmaster21:

Probably go with Team 2, with Mr Terrific on prep.

Rock lee should also be way faster than anyone on team 2, and has the raw power to take them out.

Team 1 has xavier, jean, moondragon and cable, team 2 has miss martian, manchester black and palpatine. Sidious really tips it in team 2s favour with his force drain

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@oceanmaster21: hey man, take it easy. Looks like an interesting match up.

Is Rock Lee only a kid gere, or are feats up to when he's an adult in boruto and the naruto movies allowed? Or when he's in his late teens in shippuden?

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