CaV Record Updated
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Because I was bored and recently started my 50th 75th debate (so I officially have no life).
Here are a list of all my CaVs:
Because I was bored and recently started my 50th 75th debate (so I officially have no life).
Here are a list of all my CaVs:
For starters the no limits fallacy is not a real thing. No debating site has it listed and no one in the academic world knows what it means. It is a purely battle forum term. Which is why it bothers me when people just say “no limits fallacy (NLF)” as if it somehow debunks anything, because it doesn’t. Heck, no fallacy debunks anything on its own since that would fall under the Argument from Fallacy.
So what is the no limits fallacy? In general, people claim that the no limits fallacy means that if someone has no stated limits they are therefore limitless, for example: If Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets and if he can get infinitely mad, he must have infinite strength.
Now that obviously isn’t a good argument to make, but saying it is NLF, isn’t a good counterargument either. This is because the “no limits fallacy” is the Frankenstein’s monster of fallacies. Let me explain what is actually going on here.
It is universally understood that the burden of proof falls under the person who makes the claim. This means that the person who makes the said NLF claim has to prove it, which might not seem like a counter to you yet since you can find plenty of examples in comics that would ‘support’ no limit fallacies. Except most of the time they wouldn’t because......
The nature of proof
There are 4 types of acceptable proof in the court of law
To explain why this debunks a majority of ‘evidence’ for NLF claims we most discuss what each entails.
Basically this means feats or GTFO. If you have no tangible feats or statements that a tangible feat occurred then you have nothing but meaningless claims. Author statements or general statements of power prove nothing, at best they can be called expert testimonies, good supporting evidence. But if that is all you have then you have nothing.
If your opponent claims that a character has no limits, do not simply claim that they made a fallacy therefore GG no re. Again, that is a fallacy in and of itself. What you need to do is either 1. Ask for proof. 2. Show evidence to the contrary.
So if you want to disprove your opponent, by either questioning their assertion, in which case they would be disproved if they cannot provide adequate evidence, or by disproving them. So if you have tangible proof that a character has shown limits, for example Hulk falling to lift something, then you have counter evidence. Even if your opponent provides evidence, if your counter evidence is stronger than what they provided (either through quantitatively or qualitatively) then you would still win the argument. There is no such thing as someone who is partially limitless.
Some people use the no limits fallacy like this
Premise: Goku has infinite physical and piercing durability.
Conclusion: Goku is immune to anti-matter, because he has infinitely durability.
First things first the premise is flawed which is already fallacious. Asides from that, one can argue that this is a form of the fallacy of division. This fallacy states that one cannot infer information for a part because it is true for the whole or the majority. For example: That guy has a big chest therefore he has a big heart.
Now you might be wondering how this connects to the Goku durability example, this is circumstantial but I believe it would go something like this. According to Comic Vine there are four main forms of resistance that encompass the term durability
This means that, according to the division fallacy, one cannot assume what is true for parts based on what is true for the whole/majority. So just because Goku, as a whole, is infinitely durable in one or more aspects, does not mean that he is infinitely durable to everything.
I personally dislike the term “no limits fallacy” and I think that it’s kinda dumb sometimes. But it can be used, as long as the user understands what the no limits fallacy entails. Simply dismissing an argument vased on the premise that it falls under te no limits fallacy is ironic, as that would be a fallacy in and of itself, and the no limits fallacy isn even offically recognised do it would be the worst form of ‘argument from fallacy’ possible. I think that if you wanted to debunk a NLF user, you should just sinply ask for objective feats that are either shown or actually happened, as those are mainly the only types that count as actual evidence. Statements are just statements, they could he used as suppirting evidence but are not evidence themselves.
Disclaimer: I’ve been using the Vine for almost 3 years now and these are just my opinions. Take them as you will.
A bunch of people were making respect threads so I thought I would get in on that action. Marvel's Poseidon has a respect thread, the actual Poseidon has a respect thread, so now here is DC's Poseidon with a long overdue respect thread.
Wonder Woman #7: Zeus calls upon Poseidon to rejuvenate Wonder Woman, and Poseidon complies by sucking her into the very bottom of the ocean
Aquaman #34: Creates an expanding ball of water
Can see and hear things happening across the ocean
Aquaman #35: Turns into water before vanishing
Aquaman Annual #1: Creates a massive whirlpool that sucks down Superman and Aquaman with monstrous teeth at the bottom of it.
Aquaman Annual #1: Manipulates the water to pull a girl towards him
Aquaman Annual #1: Overwhelms Aquaman by giving him a glimpse of his oceanic omnipotence
Aquaman Annual #1: Shows Aquaman specific happenings by sharing his omnipotence
Aquaman #35: Blinds Aquaman
War of gods #2: Hears Aquaman's call
Tempest #1: Stated to be immortal
Man of Steel Annual #4: Overpowers Superman with winds and one-shots him with an eye blast
Aquaman Annual #1: Superman being overpowered by Poseidon's storm clods retold
Aquaman Annual #1: Superman getting one-shot retold
Aquaman Annual #1: Creates blinding light just by removing his coat
Aquaman Annual #1: Blocks Aquaman's telepathy
Aquaman Annual #1: Teleports away before Aquaman can hit him
Aquaman Annual #1: Takes down a ship using lightning
Triton, Poseidon's son, stole his father's trident and power. This are his feats during that time.
Aquaman #45: Triton kills Atlan with the trident
Triton, with Poseidon's trident, creates a massive tidal wave
One-shots Tempest
AoE Trident blast
Destroys an army of fish without the trident
Toys with Aquaman using water manipulation and illusions
Aquaman #46: Triton moves an entire city with ease
Vaporizes a man
Poseidon absorbs back his power
Poseidon kills Triton with a behind the armpit stab
I will only be taking feats from both Death Battle Animations. Now, without ado, enjoy Goku's respect thread.
Blitzes Superman
Gets smacked by Superman through a bunch of buildings then immediately after gets blitz by him but lands on his feet, just fine
Withstands being blitz by Superman
Smacks Superman around as Kaioken
Busts Lexcorp with a Kamehameha
Fights Superman at hyper speeds and gains the upper hand
Beats Superman with the Power Pole
Instant transmissions from Metropolis to some forest place across the ocean
Stops Superman in his tracks
Blitzes Superman in SSJ3 and busts a hill
Blocks a blitz from Superman
Takes a beating from Superman
Fights Superman in hyperspeed again in SSJ4 and gains the upper hand again
Fights through Superman's freeze breath
Overpowers Superman's heat vision and sends him to the Sun
Fires a massive Kamehameha
Tanks gettings smashed into the core of the Earth from space by Superman
Planet busts with Superman, by the ensuing explosion, kills him
Busts through a mountain by kicking Superman through it
Blasts away Superman with a Kamehameha
Takes a beating from Superman but gets back up just fine
Blocks heat vision
Gets punched by Superman through large distances multiple times
Battles Superman through nations
Gets knocked through multiple buildings but doesn't stagger, and immediately starts whacking on Superman
Unleashes a massive Kamehameha
I'm basically just going to list everything I did on here for future reference.
This should be 70 but I can't find my match against Shirso
This is roughly a complete list of characters that I used or was going to use in a CaV or tourney match.
List of all my blogs from oldest to newest
All the tournaments and scenarios I hosted off the top of my head (there are others I can't remember, I'm sure)
Now, I'm sure some of you people just happened to stumble into this thread, wondering what it's all about. So before I begin, let me quickly answer some possible questions
Good question. Lucky for you I did find a badass song for you to listen to make reading less dull. I made the picture just cause.
Now, with that out of the way, without further ado, let me present to you Major Hellstrom's guide to the Battle Forums............maggot!
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Unlike the rest of this guide, the following rules are not my opinion but are official rules created by the mods. Now, what I have posted here is just a short TL;DR version of the rules I wrote, but the full list with explanations can be found here.
Now that you've learned about things you can't do, now it is time to learn about proper etiquette.
So when you enter the battle forums you may stumble into different kinds of threads, and for a newbie that can be confusing. So let me now give you a rundown of common thread types you may encounter.
This will just be a brief overview of what each button above the textbook does.
As I just taught you how to use the superpower that is the quoting button, I shall now teach you how to properly wield this tool. As with great power comes great responsibility. (This is just a C\P from my older blog)
Desktop mode is a feature that most mobile browsers have. Using it will allow you to have the desktop versions of your favorite sites. Here I will explain how to access it and how to use it (this is also just C\P from my old blog).
As you may know by now, if you use a PC, there are such things as keyboard shortcuts or hotkeys. Learning what they are can save you a lot of time, so I shall list down the important ones for you. Note: I use Google Chrome, not sure if these are universal.
In the battle forum, you may encounter some of these commonly used acronyms or words that you may not know the meaning of, here I will explain what the most commonly used terms in the battle forums are and what they mean.
A common mistake newbies make is assuming that all feats are the same\equal. But that is not the case. Here I will break down the common types of feats, roughly in order of most reliable to least reliable.
People in CV sure use a lot of fallacies, so here is a short list of 5 fallacies that Viners need to stop using.
Well, that was pretty long-winded. But if you've made it this far then awesome! I hope you've learned something from this, and if you did I hope you will use that knowledge to become a better user.
Any questions, disagreements, suggestions, and feedback you may have is welcome, though preferably in a PM.
I salute you on your journey, good luck.
First of all, I am not writing this because I'm self righteous or something. I will openly admit that I have not had proper conduct in all of my debates. This is not a post talking about about who I am now, it is a post explaining who I try to be. I share this publicly, because there have been a couple things that have annoyed me recently, and I thought that maybe if I posted this, I would see it less. Also, keep in mind that this is obviously just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt. Also this is all just off the top of my head
Now with that out of the way, I would like to explain how I think CaVers should conduct themselves, as quickly as possible.
When it comes to making a CaV, the two most important characteristics are clarity and honesty. Now what do I mean by that? I mean that when you propose a match, especially if you are directly offering a match to someone, you should always........
1. Clearly explain how powerful your characters are and what hax they have. Yes, I know it is very tempting to attempt to pull a fast one on your opponent, especially when you have an unknown character, but it is honestly just a cheap a tactic that kills the fun for your opponent and is just a jerk move. How detailed you are is up to you, but it doesn't really matter as long as you are honest and clear. 2. Discuss the rules. A lot of the time people just use the standard rules, and that is fine, especially when you opponent tells you to make the thread. But if you want to add a particular rule that may change the debate, even if only slightly, (character version and\or limitations, win condition\s or battle field) it is always best to ask your opponent if they are okay with it first. 3. Be honest about how often you can post. This is just a mini point because these days CaVers seem to go on CV every other day, but if you can't post often or are going on a holiday, always be sure to notify your opponent so they can adjust their expectations.
Whereas in the pre-CaV the most important characteristics are honesty and clarity. I would say in a debate the most important aspects is respect and integrity. Now before I start this, I'd like to say that I do believe that respect should be earned, but I also believe that disrespect should be deserved as well, so you don't go around treating everyone with 0 respect until they've earned your approval, there should be a reason that you lack respect for someone. Earning respect works both ways. But as I was saying, you have to treat your opponent with respect. Which means:
1. Unless your opponent is okay with it, mockery, salt and trash talk should go out the door. 2. Stop with the cheap shots, seriously. The last post is not meant for you to bring up surprise points that your opponent cannot counter, if you are the last poster all you can do is counter your opponent's rebuttals and claims, no new points. This also means, no intentionally "sneakily" cutting parts out of your opponent's argument, no twisting their words or the evidence, none of that.
And in terms of integrity you always have to.......
1. Know your scans. Yeah, unless it is a gimmick like it some tourneys, stop RT debating, RTs are there for you to either get to know a character or have easy access to a compilation of feat you already know the context to. 2. Know your claims. Obviously, you have to back up everything you claim, every piece of your argument that matters needs to be backed. But also please, for the love of all things holy, stop making claims when you don't know what you are talking about. Don't compare your character to your opponents if you don't know anything about your opponent's character and don't make claims about your opponent's character if you have no knowledge on them. It will prevent you from poetically looking bad and it's super annoying to deal with baseless claims. AKA 3. Just do your research. Yes, it is time consuming but if you don't have the time, don't join a CaV with or against a character you do not know. 4. Fight clean. Lastly, don't really on dirty tactics. Don't rely on broken abilities or a stronger character, don't rely on dirty tricks like cropping scans. Rely on your character and your skill. If you don't think you can do it with just that, then concede, winning isn't everything. Also keep in mind the word rely, using mind games and hax here and there is fine, but it shouldn't be your main weapon.
You know the drill for know. The two most important characteristics for this category is contentment and good sportsmanship. This super simple, in fact everything I wrote here is simple, all you have to do is 1. Be content with the arguments you have already made, and trust in them, proof reading before posting helps a lot in this aspect. This means once the debate is done, it's done. No adding new arguments, just let the voters vote. Also in terms of voters, that is where good sportsmanship comes in. Because with good sportsmanship you will know not to 2. Argue with voters. Asking for more clarification or detail is fine but anything beyond that is not. If you aren't satisfied with the vote and have reason to believe it is biased, simply talk it over with your opponent in hopes that it will no longer be counted. 3. Beg for votes. Again, there is a fine line between advertising your debates and intentionally asking, even pestering people to vote. Especially when you ask people who will be biased to vote (and let's be honest 90% of vote beggars get biased votes. It is a subconscious bias you instill unto a voter if you ask them directly for a vote) such as your friends or someone who is a fan of the character you are representing. I have had 55 debates, with indie\cartoon\comics\anime\video game characters, known and unknown alike, and let me tell you it is hard to find voters some times, but they will come eventually, maybe not a lot of them but they will come. So stop begging for votes, it is really annoying, you have no reason to do it and it is pretty obvious you are desperate for a win. More on bad voters here.
To sum it all up in 3 words
Don't be a wimp. Never say die, fight with honor and intelligence till the last word, if you do so, you may not win every match, but you sure as heck will steadily improve and have some great matches. And anyway, if you lose, then so what? It's just Comic Vine. Get back up, see why you lost, improve and try again.
EDIT: Also just want to add that some people may have the thought of "It's just a CaV, it's not a big deal if I rely on cheap tricks" instead of "It's just a CaV, it's not a big deal if I lose", and in fairness both are true. But 1. While CaVs aren't a big deal, it feels a lot more frustrating to be tricked than to lose, at least from my experience. 2. It's a bad practice. If you get used to cheating in the small stuff like CaVs, it may affect your outlook on bigger things outside of CV.
Anyway, that was just my thoughts, what do you guys think?
Unlike my last thread like this (which coincidentally was my first blog), I don't really have much to say, or rather, I can't be bothered to write out my thoughts. However, surpassing 15K is quite a milestone especially since I have been on here for only a year and change, so I thought I should make a thread in celebration.
Oh yeah, and since it's a milestone thread, I'm expected to either do shout-outs or an AMA, but I decided to to neither and instead merge the two concepts.
So I will give you my honest opinion of you if you ask me to (and if I know you well enough). And since this is a public thread, I am guaranteed to only say pleasant things.
Because I was bored and recently started my 50th debate (so I officially have no life).
Here are a list of all my CaVs:
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