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What Should Be Next For Matt Murdock?(Spoilers for SL#5 & DD#512)


Shadowland is over. This five issue series received mixed reviews and has finally ended. At the end of Daredevil #512 we see Matt getting off a bus somewhere in what appears to be small town America. What should his new direction be? Crimefighter? Small town lawyer? A combination of both? I keep flashing back to that Michael J. Fox movie where he wrecks the judge's fence and has to work at the small town hospital and ends up falling in love with the classic girl next door. 
 
Daredevil fans you have spoken out and aren't satisfied with the results of Shadowland. What should happen now for the Man Without Fear? What direction do you want to see his character take?  
 
Let's hear it here.  
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Give the storyline back to Ed Brubaker...that first.

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Not a fan of Diggle?
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@Jake Fury said:
" @Vance Astro: Not a fan of Diggle? "
He wrote Shadowland so, no not anymore. 
 
I don't know what I want for DD but I know that Shadowland wasn't a good idea.I thought it was at first.I was telling people to give it a chance...and it turned out to be one of the worst  arcs i've ever read.
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I was really shocked at the contrast in the actual Shadowland book and Daredevil's solo title during Shadowland. I felt like his solo title was very good but SL not so much. I think my biggest disappointment was Daredevil finally getting a big story arc centered around him but him having to be all demon possessed to be a viable threat.
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Marvel sucks in general right now IMO.I think what they need to do is start making some damn sense and stop recycling storylines and doing them wrong.If I was writing Daredevil I would make him tell Dakota North what's really up and keep them from having a relationship once he's back as the regular Daredevil.If they want him to be in a relationship so bad, why not Elektra?  Also they need to touch on some things from volume 1.What happened to Daredevil's ability to speak telepathically, what happened to his "ninja vanish",what happened to his "chi healing ability"? They need to write Daredevil more like current Spider-Man...hell, maybe retcon him.Daredevil needs a real rouge gallery too.He doesn't really have one.They need to leave Bullseye dead and give Lady Bullseye his spot and never let her become friendly with Murdock.Bring back Bullet and Gladiator.Create some new villains for him.Get rid of the Kingpin.They've done all they can do with him.Get some more meaningful cameos in his comics like in Vol.1 like Thor,Namor,Wolverine etc.Not just the Marvel Knights.Iron Fist,Cage,Punisher,etc are stale cameos.Figure out something to do with Black Tarantula and White Tiger.Having sidekicks isn't DD's MO..it takes away from his style.To put it simply he needs fresh ideas.I'm tired of the same things over and over and over.He needs new rouges,He's needs a new agenda,and he needs new allies.

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I know what you mean about Marvel and DD in general. I've pretty much dropped every big name Marvel title and started reading a lot of the lesser known characters like Avengers Academy and others.  
 
I agree that DD needs a new rogues gallery. That's one thing thats always kind of puzzled me about him.
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I say they need to create a new redemption story for him because I like Matt as Daredevil and he made this life for himself after his father died,but now he killed Bullseye and feels upset with guilt and doesn't know what to do, so I say they should create a story to help him face his demons and bring Stick to help him become Daredevil again.

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@guardiandevil801 said:
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I say they need to create a new redemption story for him because I like Matt as Daredevil and he made this life for himself after his father died,but now he killed Bullseye and feels upset with guilt and doesn't know what to do, so I say they should create a story to help him face his demons and bring Stick to help him become Daredevil again.

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So you want them to rehash something they've already done? But just Iunno make it better?
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Whatever happened to the Foreigner? He'd make a fine villain for DD.
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@Vance Astro:
well yeah i want to see a better story for him and see him in the red costume again because he is a guardian devil and a hero
 
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@Jake Fury:  When DD makes his return I want him to do what he should have down a long time ago Wipe out the Hand once and for all and go toe to toe with the Kingpin in an epic fight to the finish that really breaks Fisk's will kinda like when Daredevil fought bullseye in Daredevil Vol.2 issue 49 after that I want something new to be done between DD and Mister fear probably my 2nd favorite Daredevil Villain after Bullseye
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@Jake Fury said:
" Whatever happened to the Foreigner? He'd make a fine villain for DD. "
He's related in some way to Silver Sable so I would assume Marvel is just pretending he doesn't exist. 
 
@The Angry Comic Book Critic said:
" @Jake Fury:  When DD makes his return I want him to do what he should have down a long time ago Wipe out the Hand once and for all and go toe to toe with the Kingpin in an epic fight to the finish that really breaks Fisk's will kinda like when Daredevil fought bullseye in Daredevil Vol.2 issue 49 after that I want something new to be done between DD and Mister fear probably my 2nd favorite Daredevil Villain after Bullseye "
Have you read the DD vs. Elektra what if?
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Weren't they married or something?
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@Jake Fury said:
" @Vance Astro: Weren't they married or something? "
Yea.
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@Vance Astro:  I skimmed through it once matt ended up marrying elektra and never saw Foggy nelson again that's about all I remember
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Maybe the Foreigner's old criminal organization could come back to be a thorn in Matt's side. I think one problem with Shadowland was all the mystical stuff involved. That's just not the Daredevil I grew up on.
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@Vance Astro said:
" @Jake Fury said:
" @Vance Astro: Not a fan of Diggle? "
He wrote Shadowland so, no not anymore.  I don't know what I want for DD but I know that Shadowland wasn't a good idea.I thought it was at first.I was telling people to give it a chance...and it turned out to be one of the worst  arcs i've ever read. "

Sadly, I can not help but agree. I wanted Shadowland to be great but it really, really wasn't. I will give Diggle a chance with Daredevil Reborn, but it's sad to see the state DD is in these days. That is especially tragic when his book used to be one of the most consistently good on the shelves. At present he doesn't even have a book.
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@Icon said:
"@Vance Astro said:
" @Jake Fury said:
" @Vance Astro: Not a fan of Diggle? "
He wrote Shadowland so, no not anymore.  I don't know what I want for DD but I know that Shadowland wasn't a good idea.I thought it was at first.I was telling people to give it a chance...and it turned out to be one of the worst  arcs i've ever read. "
Sadly, I can not help but agree. I wanted Shadowland to be great but it really, really wasn't. I will give Diggle a chance with Daredevil Reborn, but it's sad to see the state DD is in these days. That is especially tragic when his book used to be one of the most consistently good on the shelves. At present he doesn't even have a book. "

what I found so puzzling was the difference in quality between Diggle's SL story and Diggle's DD tie in story. The DD tie in stuff was really good.  
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@The Angry Comic Book Critic said:
" @Vance Astro:  I skimmed through it once matt ended up marrying elektra and never saw Foggy nelson again that's about all I remember "
In the beginning of the book...DD easily kills the Kingpin.I never understood how those two were a match but then DD would beat characters like Tombstone... 
Oh and if you didn't get to the end of the book...Elektra ends up recreating the Chaste but with Echo,Wolverine,and Iron Fist and she also kills Daredevil.
 
 
@Jake Fury said:
" @Vance Astro: Maybe the Foreigner's old criminal organization could come back to be a thorn in Matt's side. I think one problem with Shadowland was all the mystical stuff involved. That's just not the Daredevil I grew up on. "
That could be interesting..but it has to be executed well.Execution seems to Marvel's enemy as of late. 
 
@Icon said:
Sadly, I can not help but agree. I wanted Shadowland to be great but it really, really wasn't. I will give Diggle a chance with Daredevil Reborn, but it's sad to see the state DD is in these days. That is especially tragic when his book used to be one of the most consistently good on the shelves. At present he doesn't even have a book. "
I thought Diggle has something until Shadowland actually got underway.
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First step is re-establishing his Rogues.
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@Jake Fury said:
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Damnit, I didn't want to say it but  
*runs crying to the bathroom* "
You would like to think so because his Daredevil in comparison was better than Diggle's so far but compare New Avengers Vol.1 to New Avengers Vol.2.Bendis' writing has fallen WAAAAAAAAAY off.
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@Jake Fury said:
" @Vance Astro: First step is re-establishing his Rogues. "
Agreed.
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@Vance Astro said:
" @Jake Fury said:
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Damnit, I didn't want to say it but  
*runs crying to the bathroom* "
You would like to think so because his Daredevil in comparison was better than Diggle's so far but compare New Avengers Vol.1 to New Avengers Vol.2.Bendis' writing has fallen WAAAAAAAAAY off. "

I picked up the 1st issue of the new Volume and hated it immediately.  
 
Volume 1 was some of his best work if you ask me. It was excellent right up to the Secret Invasion stuff. (some of the Civil War stuff wasn't that great) The mission in Japan with Maya was how Shadowland should have been IMHO.
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@Jake Fury said:
"@Vance Astro: First step is re-establishing his Rogues. "
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Some massive retcons would be nice.

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lol
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Hopefully he can go back in time and be on the bus outside the X-manson w/ all the depowered mutants...not to help them but just to join them when it goes Boom!

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"Hopefully he can go back in time and be on the bus outside the X-manson w/ all the depowered mutants...not to help them but just to join them when it goes Boom! "

Only if he gets to meet Psylocke.lol
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@The Angry Comic Book Critic said:
" @Icon:  That's my Que to say DAMN YOU MARVEL COMIC AND YOUR UNCANNY ABILITY TO FUCK OVER YOUR CLASSIC CHARACTERS!!!! "
It wasn't all bad. 
 
@Jake Fury said:
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what I found so puzzling was the difference in quality between Diggle's SL story and Diggle's DD tie in story. The DD tie in stuff was really good.   "
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@PumpkinBomb said:
"Some massive retcons would be nice. "

(prints One More Day in Braille.)  
 
@The Angry Comic Book Critic said:

" @Icon:  That's my Que to say DAMN YOU MARVEL COMIC AND YOUR UNCANNY ABILITY TO FUCK OVER YOUR CLASSIC CHARACTERS!!!! "


You ain't the only one saying that, TRUST ME 
 
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I personally think it could be cool to see DD do some sorta small-town crime-fighting.  He's been attached to the city since his inception, and in many ways it's part of his identity.  BUUUUT, considering Matt's identity has been pretty well and screwed as of late, I think it could be a cool direction for him if he does a kinda small-town sheriff style of crime-fighting for a while. 
Just my opinion.

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@The Angry Comic Book Critic said:
" @Jake Fury:  When DD makes his return I want him to do what he should have down a long time ago Wipe out the Hand once and for all and go toe to toe with the Kingpin in an epic fight to the finish that really breaks Fisk's will kinda like when Daredevil fought bullseye in Daredevil Vol.2 issue 49 after that I want something new to be done between DD and Mister fear probably my 2nd favorite Daredevil Villain after Bullseye "
 
No, what DD needs to do is get together with Elektra (with a small team, maybe Black Tarantula, Master Izo, etc) and stalk & finally kill the Snakeroot. ALL OF THEM. They are the head of the snake, after all. Then Master Izo can fulfill his long-term desire of cleaning up (if not purifying) the Hand. They are ninja after all, let them do ninja stuff, but clean up the demonic influences.
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@ImperiousRix said:
"I personally think it could be cool to see DD do some sorta small-town crime-fighting.  He's been attached to the city since his inception, and in many ways it's part of his identity.  BUUUUT, considering Matt's identity has been pretty well and screwed as of late, I think it could be a cool direction for him if he does a kinda small-town sheriff style of crime-fighting for a while. Just my opinion. "

Well he is headed to Ne w Meico in Daredevil Reborn so we will see if something loke that happens
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@ImperiousRix said:
" I personally think it could be cool to see DD do some sorta small-town crime-fighting.  He's been attached to the city since his inception, and in many ways it's part of his identity.  BUUUUT, considering Matt's identity has been pretty well and screwed as of late, I think it could be a cool direction for him if he does a kinda small-town sheriff style of crime-fighting for a while. Just my opinion. "
I agree with this.
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I like the small town crime fighting idea too. 

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@Jake Fury said:
" I like the small town crime fighting idea too.  "
Although DD did already do this in Daredevil: Redemption.
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@Vance Astro said:
" @Jake Fury said:
" I like the small town crime fighting idea too.  "
Although DD did already do this in Daredevil: Redemption. "

I loved that story
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@daredevil21134 said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @Jake Fury said:
" I like the small town crime fighting idea too.  "
Although DD did already do this in Daredevil: Redemption. "
I loved that story "
Me too..
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it was tight
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I loved the echo story too