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@godhatesfaags: If you read most studies in the world about racism and individuals like you who have a need to be trollish and shout their opinions for attention, especially online, usually all of them have a history of sexual abuse. And the reason they lash out about this topic is because they themselves cannot stand the idea that they were once a part of it a while back and it grows like a shadow at dawn in their minds over time. Eating at them. Knowing they are essentially trying to cover up the fact that they were in that "lot" too once.

Sorry for your troubles and for the no no butt touches in your past.

Only true if you judge via the Old views of the Torah. Which Jesus came to abolish and tell you that God loves all equally and the only correct anything from the old view was the Sabbath and some characters like Moses. Odds are good you are one of those religious zealots who never actually, you know, read the Bible.

@lordflawlez: That is a community meme. No limits stated doesnt mean he has none. Was never detailed, nor ever stated he was limitless.

@cognitive: So ellaine is meta and a thing that can override Grant Morrison, Kirby, Matteis and Synder? Rox already defeated the Presence. What is your justification for ellaine thrashing TR? I read so many FC related threads and not one user ever justified their opinion with any evidence. :\

I'm so confused. I just dont understand the level of trollishness and bias around this. I understand you guys get a rise off making the threads and knowing Ill come in and vent about it all, but seriously, you guys really think these characters are > the editors of the comic? like...seriously?

ugh

I'm seriously handing over the win and submitting my resignation on FC threads. you guys win. I don't have interest in debating this anymore. Seriously, the other side of the debate is lacking too heavily on the subject matter and its not fun to talk about. You guys sucked all the enjoyment out of the debate. Hangin' up the debate for good on all FC threads from here on. Enjoy fellas. Im outtie 5000 on this subject.

@soratoumiga: Rox already defeated the Presence. Mandrakk is the confirmed meta editor of DC comics in character form. Are you saying Ellaine > DC comics editors?

If so, I am not sure what to say anymore...the level of bias occuring is infinite when it comes to anything final crisis related. It is getting out of hand and I'm stepping off this subject indefinitely. At this point, like 2 users on this entire site have actually read final crisis, there can be no victory and debate if that level of information exists and is being fully, totally ignored by everyone. Can someone explain why the acceptance of the power levels of these FC charactesr harms so many users here on an emotional level, so much to the point they just flat out ignore the entire comic completely?

I dont understand. Its the only comic nobody will actually read. Author statements dont seem to matter confirming things, panel and actual scans dont matter. Its just a big troll fest in every FC related thread there is. And its really sad.

It wasnt a physical battle. It was stated many times there was no reality there, no physics.

Stated once

Twice

three times

Four times

Five times

do you need more? Because there are more mentions of no physics there, no time, no space, no reality to warp, no space, and nothingness but narratives existing. How many more are needed?

Round 1: Eternity

TR contained the entire infinite Orrery inside of it. Including all Retconned characters, places and more. The entire Morrison and Kirby sub megaverses, continuities and even Vertigo were inside of it. Multi Eternity doesnt even contain Oblivion or Beyonder spaces. TR by feats alone is infinitely above Eternity and already contained the DC equivalent of all of Eternity. Reality Warpers beat Enternity. No amount of reality warping can defeat TR. TR contained infinite sub realities and continuties, far exceeding Multi- Eternty in power.

Round 2: Marquis of Death

Is a high tier reality warper who is nowhere near PR beyonder, nowhere near captain allen in Final Crisis. Captain Allen hit quantum Super position and became every piece of everything not only in Morrison continuity, but Kirby's as well. All that power was nothing to a Monitor. Who in turn were scrubbed and one shotted by mandrakk.

Round 3: Thanos w/ IG

A reality warper who can't even use the power outside of that one universe it was from. the Hell would IG ever do to the author of the comic? Nothing.

Round 4: Mr. Mxyzptlk

TR already contained all of the 5th dimension. Has authorship override. Has infinite power statements. Myx doesn't have any of that.

Round 5: Protege

Deadstopped by authorship override and high tier reality warpering command in Tribunal and Scathan. TR has authorship override of the meta writers of DC comics, Kirby, Morrison, Matteis, Snyder. Does Protege? nope.

Round 6: Destiny of the Endless

Is already stated to be above all of the endless on the cosmic map. Nabu is Morrisons higher concept of Fate in his continuity. And Nabu stated he is scared of Mandrakk.

Round 7: Composite Molecule Man and Beyonder

highest teir reality warpers who still arent everything, who arent all of time, who arent omnipresent, who dont own all of physics there is. Captain allens QSP achievement bests every single feat of the PR Beyonder by infinite degree. Neither of these characters can override the meta author of their own comic book.

The Empty Hand craps all over these two by infinite levels of power and command. And the Empty Hand was as nothing by comparison to higher tier monitors.

Round 8: Great Evil Beast

Rox Ogama defeated the Presence already. And he had no monitor powers. Monitors were one shotted by Mandrakk, and TR beat Mandrakk.

The questions were all answered already. Just that nobody wants to accept what they read, or just didn't read final crisis at all.

@chosenone1222: Yep. I can.

So he ate the Presence, The Radiant, the Spectre, was stated to be literally infinite, stated to have authorship override of Grant Morrison himself, stated on the comic to exist outside of said comic entirely, no sold the Over Monitor and ignored it completely and still came back, can multiverse hop, is stronger than Barbados who murdered the 3rd monitor who created infinite realities and had infinite reality warping power, is stronger than someone who was physics incarnate (stronger even than Beyonder), has confirmed infinite adapting power to anything, is composed of narrative and not reality or particles so no amount of reality warping works on him, litearlly encapsulated the entire DC structure within itself, was confirmed GOD multiple times, defeated a being who ate reconstituted continuities, was stronger than the Presence, Radiant, Spectre and Anti Monitor/Forging Monitor and all the 5th dimensional imps.

Anything else you need, let me know and I'll show it with scans.