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@mister_surreal: Guess I was right. Seems like you haven't seen the GotG movies either or you wouldn't have said that. I don't have my computer or I could have shown you his SS level feats. And I don't think his father's death affected his physicals at all as he was able to briefly wrestle Iron Man in IW.

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@mister_surreal: Diggle is not beating someone with SS level durability. And his father being dead has got nothing to do with his physicals.

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Team stomps. Either of them could give Oliver a run for his money.

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Seems to me like most people on here haven't seen the GotG movies. Quill takes this handily due to stats.

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@rbt: Does Oliver have feats against tasers that suggest he can fight through them because the only instance I remember of him getting hit by one was Anarky which one shotted him and kept him down for the count.

@supremegeneration: Oliver can solo the second round, neither have feats to suggest they can consistently Arrow time or that they can close the distance on someone as fast as Oliver.

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Team 1 rather easily. Throw either one of team 2 against the likes of Proxima or Vin-Tak and they won't last 30 seconds.

Bobbi got stomped by Tak and the only reason Widow lasted that long was reach and gear, in raw hand to hand she'd get trashed worse than either.

Please don't use the "stomp" word like this without thinking. It's irritating. Heck, I feel like this word should be banned on this site seeing how people misuse it all the time. Bobbi was never stomped. I don't have the GIFs on me right now but she gave Vin-Tak a decent fight, especially in their second encounter. She even kicked him a fair distance in their first fight and pinned him to a wall if I recall correctly. And Vin-Tak was not your regular Kree. Beating an Asgardian warrior of Sif's calibre is not a joke, even with context. So Bobbi parrying and enduring hits from a Kree of Vin-Tak's calibre is not a joke either. As for Black Widow vs Proxima, please tell me who had greater reach again? Because as far as I remember Proxima was the one with greater reach due to her huge a$$ sword as opposed to Natasha's batons which is what she was using when she took on Proxima solo. So Natasha was parrying attacks from Proxima's huge a$$ sword with her friggin batons. And not only that, she was also able to disarm her while at a gear disadvantage. She also displayed great strength and technique in a disadvantageous position when she stopped Proxima from stabbing her when she was down. Given how much Cap was straining to stop Proxima's attack earlier in the movie, it shows that Nat is no slouch in the physicals department either. So Oliver has got nothing on her. I genuinely lol'd when you said "gear" because the only gear she used were her batons. And to be clear, am not debating. So don't spam me with a long a$$ reply or Oliver GIFs because I might not be able to reply as am busy with work.

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Sara should take this not because she's more skilled but because she has better physicals.

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Team 1 rather easily. Throw either one of team 2 against the likes of Proxima or Vin-Tak and they won't last 30 seconds.

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Curtis is a non-factor. Rene has improved a lot but I don't think it's enough to make a difference here. Both him and Dinah can give Ward a decent fight, but there's only one possible outcome of this fight: The recruits getting their a$$es kicked.

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@arcus1 said:
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Natasha. Not debatable.

How is it not debatable?

She's below Oliver, isn't she? I don't watch LoT, so I'm simply going by what I think is the general consensus on this site. Now IMO, Oliver can never beat Natasha in a fair fight. So unless Sara is better than him, she has no chance here. I know you don't agree with me but that's fine, I respect your opinion.