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Nice, just started REALLY looking into Halo's lore and stuff so I can debate it properly when the occasions arise.

Was wondering, do you think you'll do one for Thel 'Vadam (the Arbiter) as well?

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@kbroskywalker: It's not about that, lmao. It's about people ranking Sith like Tenebrous or Venamis super high based on scaling, but not doing the same for other characters, Revan being one of them. I don't care that most people don't hold Revan as high as I do, nobody will ever share the same views as another person 100% of the time. These threads are merely to show my reasoning. What I take issue with, is people using scaling and one or two feats to wank the hell out of one character, but completely ignore scaling and feats for another character.

Now, enough with the veiled insults.

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@the_wspanialy: The quote about Tyth that you brought up is shaky. Depending on how you take in-game difficulty or how you interpret the quote itself. That quote, and the quote about Revan being the galaxy's greatest hero, could both just as easily be advertisement or hype for the boss fight, as it could be an actual statement of ____ > ____. It's up to personal interpretation imo.

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Nice work.

I'm glad you've decided to point out community hypocrisy. It's honestly sad that in times when the might of Tenebrous the Featless is based almost solely on vague scalling BS, guys like Revan (who has feats, accolades AND scalling) can be still ridiculously lowballed. I vaguely remember a thread when somone claimed that Darth Gravid would/should be able to STOMP Revan (based on scalling, of course). Infinite keks.

I agree completely. I will admit that I hold Revan quite a bit higher than most do, but still, to completely ignore the scaling he gets, while wanking Banite scaling (which is honestly just as questionable as someof the scaling I have here for Revan) is laughable to me.

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Eh, I don't see it as hype, obviously. But believe me when I say I get where you're coming from.

Maybe. Based on the research I did for this thread though, I don't see it as impossible for Darth Revan to not do the same under the same circumstances (like on a LS nexus or something). Though, again, I see where you're coming from. Plus, there is the quote from Drew concerning the disparity between the Revan iterations as not being that big.

I'm not saying that Knowledge is EVERYTHING, just that it plays a large role in determining how powerful a Force user becomes. Apologies if that's not what I implied.

Fair enough.

It seems I may have negelcted some of Redeemed Revan's abilities, and the circumstances surrounding them. I'll think on it and edit the thread appropriately.

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@slayedigneel:

The events of KOTOR only cover the span of a few months, a year at the most. Aside from Skywalkers, there are no Force users that have shown the ability to grow as significantly as you're suggesting, in such a short amount of time.

True, he did spend decades with Revan, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Malak knew the full extent of Revan's strength. Which was obviously the case when Revan detached Malak's jaw from his head. As well, Drew Karpyshyn says he believes the battle on the Star Forge would also be a long and desperate battle (I don't think he used those exact words, I'm paraphrasing), so there's really nothing to suggest that the duel on the Force had played out differently than their first duel.

Knowledge=power, to a greater or lesser extent. Mastery of more abilities increases your connection to the Force, the more you know, the stronger you can become. That's why people like Sidious and Vitiate were so powerful, or rather, a large chunk of the reason at least, because they knew and had mastered FAR more of the Force's abilities and secrets than anyone else had. Ignoring Skywalkers who are the exception to that rule because they're frigging Skywalkers, lol.

Being the Taris dueling champion doesn't really compare to the skill he would have possessed as a Sith Lord or as a Jedi before falling. Back then, he'd been able to fight Mandalore the Ultimate and win (the ease of which he did this doesn't seem to be agreed on, but I assume he did so easily enough), so Bendak Starkiller really is nothing overly special, and is nothing Revan hadn't been to kill BETTER of before. Also, while Revan's potential is stated to have been greater than any other student they'd ever seen (this would include Exar Kun, just as a fun fact), that's only POTENTIAL, and it isn't a measure of the level of power that's been amassed and controlled.

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@slayedigneel: That's something I find highly debatable in all honesty. Malak's word isn't really trustworthy when it comes to Revan, because he's CONSTANTLY underestimating Revan and believing Revan is less powerful than he actually is. There's another quote from Vandar Tokare saying Malak surpassed Revan, but that's also arguable, because Vandar had no contact with Revan or Malak after they left to fight the Mandalorians. Given that Revan had several decades of experience and growth, as well as VAST degree of knowledge superiority as a Sith Lord, it's only logical that Darth Revan was more powerful than Redeemed Revan.

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@necromancer76: Not so sure Plagueis is > Valkorion, besides the novel blurb, there's nothing suggesting that's accurate. But I digress, not trying to start a shitstorm.

Also yeah, Az will probably have some choice words here, lmao.

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Malachor isn't a Nexus because Force Nexus' aren't a thing in canon, they haven't been mentioned or seen. The only thing we've seen that's ARGUABLY a nexus, is Mortis, and being the Force itself flows from Mortis, it can be easily argued that it's the exception, not the rule. Plus, all of Vader's feats on Malachor line up pretty well with his other canon feats, he didn't do anything there that would suggest he was amped in any way. So no, Malachor is not a nexus, Ahsoka was beaten by a non-amped Vader who was clearly holding back.