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Superman vs. Hulk part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmjHaiO59lc&feature=youtu.be

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@darkraiden: Being undetectable to Odin is a great feat, but i honestly dont think that is applicable in the fight. His illusions are extremely powerful though, but an AoE rocket puts that's away. What happens if Tony just...flies up 10 feet and blows him up?

He tanks the explosion or moves. Hawkeye's explosive arrow didn't do much (and that destroyed tanks and bunkers). Neither did the Bifrost explosion. And he's shown he can leap very long distances.

Also Tony would just catch a knife to the head and be dead. His armor hasn't shown the durability to take any of Loki's attacks.

Plus we've seen Bloodlusted Tony...he fights hand to hand. So he gets stomped even worse.

As for illusions, it worked vs. both Kurse and Thor (Thor 1) to the point that Thor needed AoE lightning and Kurse was outright defeated. It also worked vs. Frost Giants and to sneak up on the random Asgardian and Odin. It'll work vs. Tony too.

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I know the kids suck and will fold in an actual fight, but theoretically, couldn't they all just launch spells at the same time and Voldemort wouldn't be able to block them all?

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@darkraiden: Which could be apliccable to taking down a bloodlusted Tony?

Taking down Frost Giants from Thor 1, Being completely undetectable to Odin, Heimdall, etc. with illusions, matching Thor in a fight (even if he was holding back), stomping 4 or w/e Dark Elves with complete and utter ease.

Illusions+weapons that pierce Frost Giants, Thor, and Kurse mean a loss for Iron Man.

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Big Boss does it without breaking a sweat

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#5  Edited By DarkRaiden

Stop at 1. Out of order, but they really can't beat any of the rounds anyways.

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Loki and it's not close if we use any of his feats from the Thor movies

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@lvenger said:
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@lvenger said:
@20damon said:

@darkraiden:

Seriously man, wtf are you saying? Are you just saying random words? "Hulk couldn't defeat depowered Juggernaut"... Have you SEEN that fight? Because he absolutely murderstomped him before he regained Cyttorak's full power. "Debating" with you is like playing chess with a pigeon, the pigeon just knocks pieces over and shits on the board, then struts around triumphantly. You're literally making shit up as you go.

However, i do admit it is effective in a way, since there is no way to debate these things with you and win, since you're obviously reading and seeing different things than the rest of us.

Bravo, truly one of the most accurate and vividly hilarious summations of DarkRaiden's debating style.

Stop fanboying and cheering from the sidelines. Try to actually debate with logic and feats sometime.

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  1. I see you didn't even think about it for a moment as usual. Hulk's strength consistently increases in battle as he gets madder and thus stronger. It's literally impossible for Thor to match Hulk's strength like that for an hour because his strength does not rise. Hulk should have surpassed it at some point just like he did against Abomination when Galaxy Master made him 10 times stronger than Hulk.
  2. Not casual planet busting, resetting tectonic plates or casually shrugging off continental and planet busting attacks though. None of which came into play in the 30+ years ago Hulk vs Thor fight which barely destroyed the town they were fighting in. Hardly a best performance for either of them.

1. No it's not. If Thor is 15x stronger than Hulk and Hulk rises by a set amount per minute, and only gets 10x stronger in that hour, then Thor can still hold him in place. It's just a matter of Thor being waaaay stronger than Hulk

2. Hulk has casually resisted all of that even back then. And Dimensions which are much larger.

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As it's already been said, this is exceedingly ironic coming from your fanboy driven excuses for arguments. All I've been doing is debating with logic and feats to debunk your rubbish yet you persist in clinging to mistaken and disproven beliefs.

  1. Citation needed, evidence has already been provided from multiple users of Hulk demonstrating much greater high end strength feats than Thor and that the Sakaar core breach permanently increased Hulk's baseline strength to greater than any other Earth hero's physical strength.
  2. Only twice from The Stranger and Galaxy Master whereas modern Hulk has consistently tanked planetary attacks from more than two instances. Also Thor hasn't tanked any dimension busting attacks so Classic Hulk was shown to be more durable than Classic Thor by your own logic then.

I don't fanboy for anyone. I like Hulk and WW more than Thor. They're still weaker by feats. I'm dictated only by logic and feats.

1. Incorrect. Thor's high end feats include:

  • Hurting Galactus/breaking his helmet
  • Hurting Odin
  • Busting Celestial Armor
  • Breaking parts of reality
  • Shaking the Multiverse by hitting another Mjolnir

All above Hulk's best

2. Thor has tanked blasts from Celestials and infinite gravity, both which would be above that dimension busting attack

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@darkraiden: Is... is that book written in a first-person PoV? lol

Second Person POV. First Person i where "I" is used afterwards

@queen_marceline: It's a second-person PoV. It's essentially a poorly written Naruto fanfiction with the sole intention of self-inserting yourself into the story.

Incorrect, it's not Naruto fanfiction at all. It's an entirely different universe with different rules and different characters. It's actually nothing like Naruto at all.

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OK, I'm representing Blade

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He's the protagonist if the book Blade Forged in Darkness, and is a spunky badass character who doesn't afraid of anything. Now let's get to Neo

Neo

A Few Things I want to Point Out

1. As seen in the fights vs. the Agents and henchmen, Neo moves comfortably at high level human speeds. He's not FTE and is often forced to block attacks.

2. Neo did NOT fly faster than that explosion. Look at 0:20-0:23 of the first video and the explosion and shockwave both happen before he exits the building. The second video is pretty close, but explosions do go off before he gets there. It's still impressive though, not taking anything away from him.

3. Neo was harmed by a bladed weapon in his fight vs. the henchmen. He blocked the sword, but still bled. Just shows he's not completely invulnerable.

Blade

Strength:

Not Blade's strong suit, but he has a few feats still.

Example 1: Through a tree

Not even bothering to activate your metal armor, you charge in and dropkick the weakest of the group into a tree, leaving him unconscious for now. Then, while on the ground, you catch one of the other two in a headscissors and whip him into his teammate and through another tree.

Example 2: When enhanced, small Crater made when hitting someone into a wall

And with that, you were off, racing towards the crater in the wall Musume made, and quickly headbutted her, sending her back into the wall, making a bigger crater then before.

Speed:

Blade's pretty good here...with enhancements at least. The first example is lessened only a bit due to no wings at the moment, but wings wouldn't really make you faster on the ground.

Example 1: Blitzing at FTE speeds by combining lighting aura, jets, and the lightning flash technique. As described, the flash technique increases speed exponentially for a small moment.

As soon as you finish the last word of your taunting, you start to blitz him, with the combined speed of a lightning flash (the flash technique being a technique that greatly increases the user’s speed exponentially for only a moment), your wings, fire jets blowing out of the back of your feet, and the Lightning Aura enhancement, making you go nearly as fast as you imagined the Lightning Lord at his base speed. Sanma's eyes widen as you disappear from his vision and reappear behind him and grab him by his throat, black lightning cackling on your hand.

Example 2: Jet Shoes, clearing 14 floors at once

You take a few steps back, charging your feet with metal and fire kani, and sit there charging, flaring your kani to build enough power, and then......

You blasted off.

ZOOOM!! You began running at speeds far too high for your body to normally handle, thanks to the fire jets boosters, and speeded straight for the side of the building. When you got there, you changed your trajectory slightly so that you were no longer running on ground but on the building itself, using kani to stick to it like a BOSS would.

Feeling impatient all of a sudden, you combine it with a fire flash and reach the Fourteenth floor quickly, and place your hands on the window sill, and then flip through the window feet first, completely shattering the glass, but allowing you to land on your feat unharmed.

...And then you swan dived out the window, like a boss, regrew your wings and soared out of there to your next objective

Example 3: Lightning Aura Speed

Quickly, before she had much of a chance to react, you charged her with the speed of a cheetah and hit her with another lariat to the other side of the arena. Before she could hit the opposite wall or the ground, you push yourself to your max speed and hit her with a dropkick high into the air

Example 4: Combining the Flashes for maximum speed:

Using the jets yet again, as well as a lightning, fire, and earth flash to gain maximum speed

Lightning:

Yep, Blade can generate and shoot lightning. Disclaimer: It is not as fast as natural lightning. It does catch people who are severely FTE though.

Also note, some feats of him using fire are here too

Example 1: Lightning vision

As you slam him, you roll off and charge your Dragonbreath technique. Being the BOSS you are, you also prep your Lightning Vision technique and release both at the same time, hitting him with both a stream of fire from your mouth and bolts of lightning from your eyes.

Example 2: Boss Nova

Your most impressive one was when you had an idea to focus the fire and kani from your jet boots into holes in your hand instead, mix it with lightning kani, and shoot a huge blast that enveloped a five meter area in a huge blast that wrecked the victims. You called this the Boss Nova.


Example 3: Lightning Prison

Expertly you weave through the handseals and slam your hands on the ground, generating lightning kani into them. Nothing seemed to happen when all of a sudden, Masaki began to feel the electricity around him.

"Electricity in the air?? What is this?" He murmured as he was trapped in your lightning prison, a literal construct made of lightning, a lightning ball if you will.

Example 5: Palm Lightning

The lightning kani begins crackling, ready to erupt, wanting a release. So you grant its request and unleash a stream of lightning from your free hand towards Masaki. Surprised and shocked (get it?) as he's never seen this technique, Masaki is caught in the stream and electrified. The electricity flows through his body from your hand, burning, shocking, stunning him as he screams in pain. After around ten seconds, the technique is done and Masaki is on his knees smoking and convulsing slightly.

Example 6: Lightning Aura shocks

In addition to this, the Lightning from the Lightning Aura gave him a decent shock, electrocuting him

Fire

Blade can also use fire. Mostly breathing it or mixing it with lightning, but it has some other uses

Example 1: Fire Geysers

You started destroying teams left and right. Some by divebombing while covered in Iron Spikes and Lightning Aura, some by burning them with Dragonbreath and Fire Geysers

Example 2: Fire Prison (also Lightning, Stone Prison and Metal Prison (not usable at the moment):

Focusing ALL of your kani into these last techniques, you weave through countless handseals and bury the Kraken under a gigantic Fire Prison, then a Stone Prison, then a newly made Lightning Prison and of course finishing with the Iron Jail technique.

BOOM! THWACK!! CRASH!! The Demon Squid flailed in the prisons, constantly being electrocuted, burned, poked, and stabbed inside its newly created jail, trying to break free.

Example 3: Fire Dragon+Dragonbreath

"Right." You say, going through hand seals for a combination of the Fire Dragon and Dragonbreath techniques, ...True Dragon attack, breathing out a stream of firebreath shaped as a giant dragon towards the clones. The dragon-shaped fire stream crashed into the area where the clones stood with a loud ‘BOOM!!’ and kicked up a large amount of smoke.

Example 4: Flaming Fist

Charging up, you applied fire kani to your hand as you busted through the snake's stomach with a Flaming Fist

Example 5: Flaming Fist again

He's drawn near and you hit him with a Flaming Fist technique in his stomach as your hand is coated in a red flame aura, the size of your head

Example 6: Flaming Kick (also Lightning Punch and Kick):

You yank him towards you again, this time hitting him with a Lightning Kick, and again he goes flying, you do it again with an Iron Fist, then again with a Lightning Punch, then again with an Iron Leg, and then again with a Flaming Kick

Earth

He can also use the Earth element. Also with this element, he can make clones (10 is the limit in this scenario):

Example 1: Earth Dragon

Getting up, you flash (use the flash technique to move at blur-like speeds)over to the left of the snake, all the while going through handseals and let out a giant Earth Dragon technique.

The giant winged lizard made of Earth, flew towards the Head snake with power and purpose, much bigger and more powerful than you remember it being. The dragon quickly closed in before the giant snake could dodge and hit it head on

Example 2: Earth Clones (armed with other earth techniques)

First, you made around thirty Earth clones for safe keeping, and one more that you took in the room with you. Making your presence known, you stepped out in front of the Sun Lord, right into the hard gaze of a God amongst men

...And with that your thirty earth clones armed with only your earth techniques jumped out and began the hopeless fight against the God of the Sun himself.

(Someone else fighting the clones)

Thirty clones. Duck, left, sweep, overhead strike. Twenty-five clones. Parry, block, spin, slam, throw into the crowd, handseals, Earth Dragon technique. Fifteen clones.

Example 3: Super small earthquake

. Putting a small amount of kani into the technique, as small as you could, you performed a mini version of it, right where you were standing.The result? A minor earthquake that merely shook the ground, throwing all who were not prepared off balance. You named your new technique Earth Style: Disrupting Balance.

Metal Control:

Example 1: Metal shrapnel and control

Sanma has his sword out in front of him, and Mifeng-sensei has nine swords on him, attacking at once. If you do this right, you may be able to end the battle.

Swiftly you hold out both arms, focusing deeply on the metal question.

Simultaneously two things happen, with one arm you shrapnel all ten swords, and with the other you send all of the shrapnel towards Mifeng-sensei, mostly towards his face. By the time this happened Mifeng-sensei was right up on Sanma, getting ready to strike him down, and the look on his face was that of utter shock and surprise.

Because of that surprise, well that and the proximity of the metal shrapnel, Mifeng-sensei was caught in the shrapnel storm with no reprieve and no dodging of any sort.

Example 2: More Metal Control

Using your metal control, you turn a portion of the wall behind you into a sheet of metal and sling it through the path of the obstacle course by air, and watched as only one trap was triggered, a knives barrage. Shrugging it off, you cover your team in a metal ball (made of the wall you just used with some added metal to it) and quickly fly through the course, barely hear the "ping" the knives make on the ball.

Example 3: Metal Armor durability, swords bounce off

Sanma reached you soon after and swung his sword in rapid succession, each hit bouncing off of your armor harmlessly and giving him a bit of shock, or feedback, each time.

Example 4: Shuriken bounce off too

Thinking quickly you activated your metal armor and watched the shuriken bounce off of you harmlessly

Example 5: Divebomb

you quickly sprouted wings and your jet shoes and flew high into the air, having distance between you two now.

This was your time, to show the world who was the true BOSS. You fly higher and higher until Mifeng-sensei is but a speck on the land. Then you brace yourself, activate the Lightning Aura, and begin a combination of spinning and dive bombing. You quickly pick up speed and in no more than five seconds, you are near Mifeng-sensei, ready to ram into him and knock him out cold

Example 6: Spinning Divebomb of Death

Flying high as you can, you activate your Lightning Aura. When you get around one thousand meters above the Demon Kraken, you begin your descent. Rapidly you begin spinning until everything is a blur, while using your jets to boost your speed. Closer and closer you got, and when you were around fifty meters away, you performed a constant Dragonbreath technique, turning you into a flaming, electrified, spinning, spiked divebomb of death.

Skill/Fighting:

Blade has some skill, mostly with stringing together wrestling moves with each other and with his techniques.

Example 1:

Keeping your grasp, you jump high as you can into the air and turn mid air and land with her (more accurately, you throw her into the ground, using your weight and momentum to increase the force), performing a devastating belly to belly slam.

Example 2:

Quickly, before she had much of a chance to react, you charged her with the speed of a cheetah and hit her with another lariat to the other side of the arena. Before she could hit the opposite wall or the ground, you push yourself to your max speed and hit her with a dropkick high into the air. Swiftly you scramble to get up and as she is falling, jump and grab her from behind, and hit her with a rolling german suplex, driving her head into the ground. Rolling off of the momentum, you continue the roll and throw her back into the air, and catch her with a bone shattering powerbomb into a canadian destroyer (flipping piledriver), and then for your final moves, you launch her into the air slightly, once again, grab her head with both of your hands, with your back facing her and hit her with an RKO/jumping cutter.

Example 3:

Quickly, you blitz the two clones with a double lariat, destroying both, and then speed off towards Musume who looks at you with shock, awe, and surprise as you interrupt a battle technique she was preparing. As you reach her, you raise your leg high above your chest, and level her with a huge boot to the face that sends her into the wall.

Example 4:

You raise him up by his throat and drag his head through the ground for a good one hundred meters, and then proceed to throw him high in the air. Deeply bending your knees, you leap, and with your wings, fly and catch him mid air in a Rolling German Suplex, grabbing him from behind and heaving him over your head, head first into the ground. As you slam him, you roll off and charge your Dragonbreath technique. Being the BOSS you are, you also prep your Lightning Vision technique and release both at the same time, hitting him with both a stream of fire from your mouth and bolts of lightning from your eyes.

His neck broken, and his vision blurry...

Summary:

  • Several ways to enhance speed (Flash techniques in all 3 elements, lightning aura, jets)
  • FTE Speed
  • Clones that can use all Earth techniques
  • Prison of fire, stone, and lightning
  • Can shoot lightning from hands and eyes
  • Can breath fire
  • Strong enough to hit people through trees
  • Can control Metal

Strategy

1. Blade makes 10 clones who overwhelm Neo with the Earth Flash technique, Earth Dragons, and Stone Prisons, and the super mini earthquake to disorientate him. It's documented Neo likes to go all kung fu on people so he'll be easily be baited into it. If he has any metal on him, it's instantly shrapneled and used against him. If he can block it, it's then used as metal armor for Blade.

The Earth Dragon should KO him and Stone Prison should hold and stab him as it did the monster.

2. While this happens, Blade will be breathing fire, using fire geysers, and shooting lightning from his hand and eyes. Neo's TK shouldn't be able to stop any of these.

3. If Neo survives that, Blade will trap him in the lightning prison where he simply can't escape without being completely shocked and taken out

4. Finally if all else fails, the various Flash Techniques+Jets+Lightning Aura will be activated as well as 10 more clones. It will be an 11 on 1 assault as Neo has to take all of them while losing balance, being hit by lightning from Blade's eyes, and from his aura, as well as dealing with Blade's FTE speeds. Not to mention a sneak attack from the lightsaber Blade has as he can also control metal and use it remotely.

And this doesn't take into account everyone else that Neo has to deal with.