dark_globe

adonis is not tougher - he lost vs watered down version of drago and almost lost the second fight as well ...
rocky is never going down vs adonis , and remember rocky can box as appolo as well after the 3-rd movie ,
so rocky can also switch styles to counter his opponent -
he used staight up brawl tactic vs drago -
rocks punches that put drago on his ass would certainly KO baby creed and completely destroy his ribs as well
(even more so than baby drago did)
creed does not do all that well vs brawlers and strong punchers
and rocky 4 is jacked AF and has big power .
even if power would not work and creed is winning on points
rocky can switch to his rocky III style and score some points with
some "dancing" and light jabs as well .
not to mention rocky has big stamina advantage over creed - creed after his win vs drago
was totally exhausted and collapsed to the floor in pain and that was after 10 rounds -
and rocky went 15 rounds vs the big daddy .

rohan stomps .
unless dothraki use their superpower and respawn ...

he stops at dooku as always .

yoda and sidious ragdoll him and proceed
to deal with base anakin in bonus round .

adonis lost (got stomped) in the first fight vs "baby" drago easily and than in
his primest of primes almost lost the second fight vs "baby" drago as well -
adonis was down and counted 2 or 3 times during that fight with shattered ribs -
adonis only won because drago was gassed out
(keep in mind rocky and drago went the full old school 15 rounds distance
whereas adonis and baby drago only boxed for 10 rounds and they were both already exhausted) .

dragos father was physicaly even bigger and stronger and
on top of that he was enhanced to the moon by steroids .
adonis would not be able to handle this kind of power
whereas rocky was stopping dragos punches with his face and KOed him .

rocky in his prime is an unfair fight .
rocky IV is too far gone (out of reality) ,
rocky vs drago is basically like captain america vs winter soldier .
rocky V and VI are more grounded again (also creed movies are much more realistic compared to IV-th movie) .

adonis is out of his prime by the time of the 3-rd movie -
his prime remains to be second fight vs drago from creed II .
my tier list would look something like this:

Rocky IV>ivan drago=>rocky III (second clubber fight)>adonis (second drago fight)>=viktor drago/clubber lang>
rocky II=>appolo (rocky I/II)>rocky V>tommy gun>=pretty ricky conlan>=
damian dame anderson>mason dixon>rocky VI

(it should also be noted that prime appolo may be much higher ,
i hope one day we can get a spin-off dedicated to young appolo about
how he cleared and dominated the division in his prime years) .

rocky 6 was a slow boxer in his late 50s/early 60s ,
the only thing he had going for him was a brute strenght -
and rocky from the 5th movie is still insanely durable despite the brain issues ,
he is far more resilient than dixon was and can deal with power punches
better than any other boxer in the franchise ,
so he negates the only advantage 6-th rocky may have in a fight against his younger version .
rocky 5 is faster , better reflexes , same durability and much closer to his actual fighting prime .

dixon was a champ in a soft era - him reigning long in such era means nothing .
rocky also had a soft reiging era after second fight vs creed
with 10 consecutive title defenses vs weak opponents
and it made him lose to clubber in 2 rounds
due to this soft era he lost the edge and the competition was weak until clubber showed up
hell even dixons own manager said after a "dinner" with rock that rocky would have killed dixon in his prime
dixon has much less pain tolerance compared to tommy or rocky because he never before met anyone that could hit him really hard , he also broke his hand vs 60yo rocky -
so there goes his durability - dixon is a softie .

there is absolutely a context lol , do i really need to spill it out for you one more time ,
or you just choose to ignore it as usual ? :D
i repeat this quote was 100% intentional to promote the new creed II movie ,
the quote originates 4 days prior to movie premiere .
if rocky was promoting the movie with clubber in it
he would have said the exact opposite ... lol

you need to understand the context - this quote was made 4 days before the premiere of creed II -
of course stallone wanted to promote new movie so he needed to hype the main character -
he would hardy raise any interest if he said lang would KO adonis ...

besides stallone no longer has any creative control over creed franchise .
he did not participate on the latest movie and currently has no ownership rights to his "own" franchise .

anyway rocky from rocky IV is more like a superhero than a boxer .
he is the best and most durable in the entire franchise .
rocky from the second fight of rocky III holds the second place .
both of these versions would KO adonis with no real issue .

adonis VS clubber would be a tough fight ,
creed from the beginning of the creed II would 100% lose to clubber just like rocky did
creed from the second fight would be a different story , and he could actually win .

rocky V is better than rocky 6 -
tommy gun is stronger than dixon , dixon has a better technique
but tommy could and probably would KO dixon especially in a street fight with no rules .
rocky V tanked the best shots (with no gloves on no less) ,
from a reigning champion and KOed him
in the 6-th movie old rocky needed luck to even compete -
remember dixon broke his hand and still managed to win on points ...
rocky 6 is way too old to compete with faster rocky
who is 15 years younger with better stamina and equal durability
and is still in shape to KO the reigning champ in a street brawl .

sure kenobi was "off guarded" with anakin as his back up ... lol
i guess MFV was also "off guarded" by the high ground then ...

seriously :
MFK is a myth , a by-product of a terrible writing
some use it to fantasize about 3 or 4 different non-existent versions of RoTS kenobi
they think IH kenobi "evolved" into utapau kenobi and
then evolved again to MFK all in a span of a few days , which is complete nonsence of course .
kenobi never had this massive potential for growth , if he had sheev would have choose him as his apprentice .

one more time : IH kenobi is the same as MFK
kenobi can´t grow 2 power tiers in 3 days , not even anakin on dark side steroids has this kind of potential .

and seeing as this fight already happened and RoTS kenobi got trounced by RoTS dooku i consider this thread to be pointless .


the only version of kenobi capable of beating dooku is twin amped OWK obi-wan .

you are his spokesman now ? :D lol
frozens faithful follower at his best
i see nothing has changed in the last few months

anyway i can gurantee nobody cares about your yapping either :*
since you are only repeating what your master is telling you ...

i didn´t even bother correcting you about ahsoka again
(you are still stuck at trying to sell ahsoka > dooku (which is funny) ) -
still trying to boost her to titan level or beyond via vader fight -
which of course nobody is buying
not even after 2 or 3 months of your futile and weak attempts .

i think rocksalt summarized it very nicely and explained how and why suit vader is overrated
and where he actually stands in the food chain .

i will add my 2 cents here:

if you hype someone via quotes and statements yet he fails to live up to the hype in pretty much every single fight
than the statements are meaningless and he is just an exagerration of himself and not to be taken too seriously .
i will use GOT analogy :
(in the north) snow has the reputation of being the best swordsman who ever lived -
does this mean we buy this idea based on his showings ?! absolutelly F-ing not -
and the same goes for suit vader :
he can have quotes of being "titan slayer" but they are meaningless if he fails to deliver every single time
because in reality he is getting tagged by mid tier characters and he always gets into prolonged fights with them
while based on his reputation he should be hand waving these opponents .