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@dangallant984 said:

@DarkxSeraph said:

'How do people automatically know it's a mutant when other superheroes have similar powers or stuff and they look like normal people, too? Why throw stones at one hero and not the other?'

I think it's context: most superheroes wear costumes when using their powers. Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Justice, Firestar, etc.. have not had issues with being mutants while they were on the Avengers, for example, while characters like the X-men, or X-factor, or the Brotherhood, put emphasis on the fact that they are mutants first. And most mutants probably don't even wear costumes to identify themselves as heroes, so it goes back to that, I think.

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Gallant: Then that utterly defeats your own argument--the X-Men virtually always wear costumes during field ops and they STILL get the short end of the stick when out in public on them. Every mutant team has a uniform, like any other super hero team. I think you're reaching a bit on that one, to be honest. This would say that if Luke Cage every got into a scrap without a costume, he should be labled a mutant and hated. Oh, wait... he virtually never wore a costume in New Avengers (actually, I think he may have never). Same with Dr. Strange. So a good portion of time his 'costume' was a trench coat, slacks, and a shirt. By the above logic, they should have been branded mutants for not wearing costumes to ID themselves.

I didn't mean the costumes per se, I meant that standing as an Avenger is to stand as a hero in general, while being an X-man is standing for a more specific cause, one which emphasizes the fact that one is a mutant.

and, again, I would point out that Dr.Strange is a largely unknown character to the general populace of the Marvel U.

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@neale7 said:

@dangallant984: Ahh fair enough. My aim from the list was go from the past to present stuff, with the most recent being All New X-Men, but with a list that big it needed to be shortend into essential graphic novels, leading from the past to where the x-men stand right now.

that's cool. I think I'd have to go back and reread the last 5 or 6 years worth of X-men comics (most of which I've only read once or twice) with that in mind, if I were to update my list.

good luck.

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Gallant: " many times the Avengers in general, and more have all been held up to public scrutiny or endured periods of unpopularity"I bolded the relevent word her. Periods. Other than that, faaaaaar more often than not, they are celebrities. For the X-Men, for some reason, people have an 'irrationality' switch that goes off in their head. Someone said this in another thread, but it stands true: (paraphrasing) 'How do people automatically know it's a mutant when other superheroes have similar powers or stuff and they look like normal people, too? Why throw stones at one hero and not the other?'

I think it's context: most superheroes wear costumes when using their powers. Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Justice, Firestar, etc.. have not had issues with being mutants while they were on the Avengers, for example, while characters like the X-men, or X-factor, or the Brotherhood, put emphasis on the fact that they are mutants first. And most mutants probably don't even wear costumes to identify themselves as heroes, so it goes back to that, I think.

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@neale7 said:

@dangallant984: Ok cool. I have Days of Future past but found it a bit of a bore. Yeah i ment Whedon and Cassaday's run. So you wouldn't recommend anything out my list after Astonishing then? Such as stories leading up to Avengers vs X-men and then after?

it's not that, I like lots of those stories, really.

I just don't think of that stuff as essential reading, as in essential to what the X-men are about.

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@neale7 said:

So could you guy’s tell me out of the list, which graphic novels are essential to the history of the X-Men, and which ones I could do without please?

Here it goes:

Dark Phoenix saga

God loves, man kills

Mutant massacre

Fall of the mutants

Inferno

Fatal Attractions

Complete Age of apocalypse vol 1,2,3 and 4

X-men vs Apocalypse: Vol 1: The twelve and Vol 2: Ages of apocalypse

Entire New X-Men run by grant Morrison

Astonishing X-Men vol 1-5

The one's in bold are the ones I consider essential reading, but I can really only recommend the first three of Morrison's trades as essential reading.

If you mean Whedon and Cassaday's Astonishing X-men, I would highly recommend all four trades (Gifted, Dangerous, Torn, and Unstoppable), but I really only consider the last two to be essential.

To this list, I would also add:

the original Proteus story (UXM #125)

Days of Future Past (UXM #141-142, often reprinted together)

The Trial of Magneto and Dual (UXM #200 and 201)

the original Genosha story (UXM #235-236)

other than the Genosha story, these have all been reprinted in X-men Classics, too.

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@jphulk26 said:

Great Topic

Leader: Wolverine

Gambit, Strong Man, Multiple Man, Synch

Rogue or M, Psylocke, Jubilee, Husk

I kinda like the 90's flavour of this team; the new guard of the blue team overlapping into generation X.

Much as I love Madrox, he might be overkill on a team with Synch and Rogue, and Guido I could take or leave, but otherwise, I could see myself really enjoying this bunch.

what about this?

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@Rabbitearsblog said:

I definitely agree with this. I was hoping that the X-Men would at least get past the angst stage of their lives because they were being mistreated by humanity, but we are still getting stories about the X-Men suffering from prejudice. I mean, Spider-Man goes through this too at some points, but at least he tries to make a good joke once in awhile to make his situation more tolerable.

Yeah, Spiderman, the Hulk, Human Torch, and many times the Avengers in general, and more have all been held up to public scrutiny or endured periods of unpopularity, and those are usually the serious stories for those characters; whereas with the X-men those things are at the core of their theme, and therefore should have more presence in their stories.

But I do agree that the X-men could still stand to be more fun, too. Or at least not quite so dire all the time. When is Cyclops' school gonna play baseball against Wolverine's? We can have it both ways.

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@dangallant984:

I think you're also belittling a lot of heroes here that can shapeshift and are still appreciated. Hulkling, for example. Then you have heroes that are obviously superhuman and were movie stars--Wonderman. Emotional robots: Vision. Men who summon and deal with demons and spirits: Doctor Strange. The FF aren't a rare case. Look at all the superpowered Avengers. Or Alpha Flight, etc.

You have the same things in those heroes as in mutants. If this is all about telepaths, however (as the vast majority are mutants), then why not just discrimination against telepaths?

There's a double standard here that makes no sense.

it's a superhero comic book about racism and social injustice, so I think in this case, a double standard makes perfect sense; it's at least kind of what the stories are about, isn't it?

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@DarkxSeraph: the FF haven't really tried to blend in since the 60's, and really, they're the exception that proves the rule. And most people probably only know Captain Marvel as one of the Avengers, up there with Cap' and Ironman. They still don't represent the things that people (even the Avengers) fear about mutants, like telepathy or shape-shifting; they don't represent a super race that could replace baseline humans because they still represent themselves as being human.

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I think the best X-men team you could make would be lead not by a single character, but by a council of core members who decided the direction of the extended team. I picture Storm being in charge of this with Wolverine, Cyclops, Emma, Kitty, and sometimes Beast, Iceman, or Rogue. This core team would be responsible for both the X-men and the school, and would have representation on the Avengers (Wolverine, Rogue, and Beast) as well as free agents who were not based at the school (say, Psylocke, Gambit, Cecilia Reyes, Northstar, etc).

In addition to this core team, there would of course be a student team, which I picture being facilitated chiefly by Kitty with help from other members of the core team, and sometimes other students (as not all students would be in training to be X-men)