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I mean, the entire party atrophied by Advent Children according to Tifa explicitly and Vincent implicitly (explicit via Ultimania clarification) anyway.

No one in the party did particularly worse against Sephiroth's TK at the end of the OG game, with Cloud coming out looking the best in terms of his resilience. Anyway you look at it, she clearly scales to things like Cid's efforts vs Ultimate WEAPON where he and 2 other randos eat its trio of scripted attacks before its driven off. Her own showing of enduring Sephiroth's (Jenova Body) attack in Whirlwind Maze isn't something to ignore either. Not to mention her Limits flat out replicates the kind of strength demonstrated by Cloud's Finishing Touch vs the WEAPONs, if not less impressive in the sense that Cloud accomplishes his feat with air pressure/tornado while she uses direct physical contact.

Honestly, the Player Turk is mostly just a measuring stick.

@gold_lightning: The Player Turk still hadn't become faster than Reno post time skip according to Sears/Shears who fought the pair far back in like... the 4th chapter IIRC. He defeated them 1v1, but they overcame him 1v2.

Reno also fights about 4 New Ravens at once while he and the Player Turk headed to capture Red XIII, so pound for pound he performs about the same with some better speed.

Rude is considered the "strongest Turk" prior to the time skip. I vaguely recall a tweet advertising Rude as such during the lead up to Remake's release, but I don't remember what official channel it was or if my memory is flawed at all. Same with Reno being the fastest. Rude definitely retained his advantage over Reno either way.

Honestly, the beating they took from Loz and Yazoo aren't bad feats as far as performances go either given that still doesn't place them THAT far behind Cloud Strife with Geostigma.

Before Crisis is basically the part of the franchise that decided to cement the middle finger towards the illusion of exponential power progression.

Supposedly, Sephiroth was already the strongest in the world during Crisis Core.

Zack was chosen as the main character as a representative of a BC era SOLDIER. Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth, and we couldn't possibly see ourselves making a game over type situation where he loses (Nomura)

ge-maga October, 2007Interview Extracts/Summary

I know where the quote came from in terms of the magazine it was in (as is obvious with my hyperlinking), just a matter of collecting the raw (which should arrive sometime this month, probably) and seeing if the quote is a direct translation or a summary (easier said than done, I'm next to useless reading Japanese).

With or without that quote in mind, I just don't see Chaos Vincent mattering here. Mind you, it says a good deal about how powerful Hojo was juiced on Jenova Cells that his body survived mostly intact and long enough to load his mind into the internet (DoC is weird), but Chaos Vincent still wasn't enough to outright murder the guy given the former fact. Just means Lifeform N Hojo is some form of WEAPON tiered threat... which makes sense given Proud Clod's purpose just before hand?

@marka: Did Zack, Genesis, and Angeal first as they were the least painful to gather everything for.

Plan to do the Player Turk(s) of Before Crisis next. They're actually kind of important for tier comparisons as they're just kind of a massive measuring stick. Zirconiade and their victory over Jade WEAPON offer hilarious context to the start of OG FFVII.

Probably will do Sephiroth thereafter as he's next closest to being complete.

Mind you, I can't read or translate Japanese, so the completion of his entry will be nominal as I can't give the English of every panel of Supernova's description from Ultimania Omega *shrugs*

Best I can do is offer the partial I already have and paste the Japanese text in a format copy-able for others to play with in machine translation *shrugs*

Holds me back from doing a summons thread too. Have KotR/Typhoon's description partially translated from elsewhere, but doesn't help me with the rest.

Plan to cover most everyone in general for at least FFVII, FFVIII, and FFIX (I'd love to do every game, but I don't even realistically have time for all 3 that I mentioned). It's just a matter of collecting everything (think Cloud will be the worst to gather everything for).

Will probably take a while. I'm going to guess years...

@shootingnova: Speaking of speed, any sources give us an idea how long the final battle of the Great Hyperspace War lasted? I'd be hard pressed to imagine it lasted a combined day or 2, let alone the pursuit to the stars (now wouldn't that be some storm trooper tier aim :maybe), but I've hardly ever come across a timeline :hmm

@shootingnova: Yes

The size isn't really important outside remembering you're essentially playing bulls eye with a target 6 million times smaller than the stars they're racing through

So barring Sadow possessing ungodly precision to make up for the fact he needs to tag objects ever changing in position over a surface area laughably larger than all of them at speeds that, by that point in their trek, are probably able to cover the diameter of a star in minutes?

Sadow needs to make up for their speed and small size in sheer surface area the Solar Flare may cover. Which is corroborated by the fact Teta even noticed the explosion occurring at all

Scale's important, and Stars are massive. Both speeds and mass moved are going to end up hilarious as an end result. Even at average speeds I mentioned, you're still looking at minutes of time for the solar flare to finally grow enough to even have the range to tag the ships.

@shootingnova: IIRC, I think I saw you use it in a thread with Exar Kun vs Nihilus recently.

The supplemental material's wording helps to corroborate your/my interpretation I'd figure

Sorcery/Pyrokinesis/TK are all arguable I suppose :hmm

FYI, a solar flare with average approximate parameters for mass (something like 10^12 kilograms for an average solar mass ejection IIRC) and velocity (something like 500 km/sec IIRC) of the mass being ejected trumps Nihilus' TK feat by a good margin (granted, Nihilus' feat is highly dependent on how fast he's tugging the ship much like the KE of some of the corona's mass... just Nihilus' is harder to gauge to to vaguer parameters).

And I'd argue it was far from average on account it not only had to tag ships that had already accelerated across a large stretch of solar system (so, probably similar distance to an AU given the planet appears to exist in the habitable zone), the sheer magnitude of the explosion was apparently notable and distinguishable enough for Teta to comment on it from some safe distance away.

@shootingnova: "We spent four years fighting Mace fanboys here. You'd think that Silver's blog would put an end to it all, but it didn't."

You've been doing this for years and you still think that this hobby has some kind of universal debate structure and standards (as your second sentence would appear to imply anyway)? :hmm

Standards vary from board to board. Some structures can be argued to function better than others. Still all comes down to established precedents largely based on a community's agreed upon subjective conclusions *shrugs*

The main point is to keep your conclusions, subjective they may be, consistent in all like scenario as you can.

But that's just my 2 cents from having partaken in this stupid hobby for more than half a decade now *shrugs*

As for the blog itself?

What other powers/feats do you plan to add? Mostly been offensive powers so far, got anything for Anakin's defensive prowess?

@shootingnova: And I was just asking for further clarification (I'm not exactly used to associating "mastery" with "power he can currently turn into joules") *shrugs*

Don't believe I called his accolades meaningless (I've called some like "unprecedented power in the Force" worthless given that's clearly hyperbolic when you remember the Ones, but never meaningless). I worry about the puzzle. How the series fits together. If how I play connect the dots ends up going in the circle, I know I'm going about putting the picture together incorrectly. This probe was purely for clarification on your exact stance and reconciliation of usage.

@shootingnova: Never said Zonakin was a Sith Lord

Also wasn't really discussing Anakin in any other context than a Force Powers battle (TK vs TK attack kind of stuff) between Yoda or Sidious. He can wave his glow stick as well as them or better for all I care, that's not really what the accolades I'm worried about causing circular logic discuss

The ones I care about, him being the most powerful Jedi, determine how many joules he can shove into a given generic psychic/magic/does it really matter what I call the power source energy attack. And him being the most powerful Jedi in that sense, when Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord and Yoda is his peer creates a wonderful circle in this chain, especially once he falls and he gets the generic power boost all that fall to the Dark Side receive.

So, is Anakin the most powerful Jedi in that sense? If so, Sidious can't be the most powerful Sith Lord per RotS. Is Sidious still the most powerful Sith Lord and Yoda still his peer? Anakin as of RotS can't generate as many joules as them then and the accolades need to be discussing his potential to be anything but ignored *shrugs*.