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"Finished" the strength and speed section.

Will need to make this into a part 1 and part 2 in order to "finish" durability off.

Only thing that'll be done either way is the overall skeleton of the respect thread, but that's sufficient for now as I try and collect the remaining interactions available in Remake and a few other things from the original game (like what can be reflected with Reflect or examples of successful hax forms of magic)

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Awesome work. Making all these gifs had to be tedious.

Cutting them is tedious, but uploading them and tagging/organizing them is about equally so lol.

And this is only about 1/3rd to 1/4th what I'll have for Cloud/Vincent/Tifa/Cid/etc.

Mind you, that's mostly because in a game where the worst that can happen to you is getting KOed, everything is a durability feat when you still have a body left standing.

Also discovered from reading some of the AI scripts they literally call the flinching animations for some bosses "HurtAnim", so I guess I'm stuck gathering strength feats for that too now that I started citing those...

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@the_wspanialy: The overall skeleton and meat of the thread is completed if you want to take a look *shrugs*

There's definitely still some things I could add that are purely related to Sephiroth (would like to find more cinematic versions of Cloud's Ascension and other Limit Breaks hammering him in the Remake for durability [after all, the bestiary actually bothers to tally/acknowledge Limit Break usage and regardless of what phase you hit Sephiroth with an attack, the boss fight doesn't end with him dead or even mortally wounded per the entire ending sequence], still need to bother recording Safer's Heartless Angel, figure out how to trigger Bizarro's "Slow", and I can't seem to find Frostpike/Windmail from Remake in the clips I watch), but I'm also considering adding Jenova/Kadaj/Yazoo/Loz's feats into the mix as they're basically just Sephiroth, but weaker.

Probably missing a number of quotes or accolades, especially from the Novellas. Kind of a given when most supplemental material remains untranslated into English.

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@the_wspanialy: Sounds like a plan.

I know their profiles as they had at one time ripped them from my work on the OBD wiki when I bothered to work on it. They've since made their own adjustments (the hell are they doing treating post-Midgar as some massive power uptick? Even ignoring Before Crisis, a pair of Sweepers is considered something Ifrit wants to wake up to fight in the first story induced summons), but they still link my calcs.

Dissidia might happen. I'd prefer gathering more characters across the franchise first though as playing connect the dots post hoc sucks. KH is too different beyond compositing. At least Dissidia is linked to the greater FFverse per the Interdimensional Rift/Void/Gilgamesh.

I mean, that and they canonically kill the Jade WEAPON... all before the start of the OG Game. Reno is still the fastest Turk and Rude the strongest in spite of this.

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@the_wspanialy:Appreciate it. It's technically "done" in the sense I have it all uploaded to gfycat, but I need to organize it and post it in order to actually call it usable.

Ideally, I'll be able to cover the PS1 era FF games in general (I'd like to cover the entire franchise, but I'm too old to even pretend to attempt that), but who even knows when I'll be distracted by something shiny~

After this, probably the Player Turk from Before Crisis (because they're both obscure and critical for understanding the general tier of the verse) or WEAPONs next. Cloud's going to be right after and he's a pain on account that even if most of the Remake is a bunch of bit feats until like the last 2-3 chapters (which are still just mostly power/tier comparisons on account of nuking the Fate/Destiny WEAPON/Whisper Harbinger, Kadaj/Yazoo/Loz as Whispers, and Sephiroth)? I still need to cut them all up and upload it to gfycat... and the size of those files take a long time to upload.

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@shootingnova - What are your thoughts on Naga Sadow's solar flares btw?

Its pretty clear from the scans he's channeling the ship's power to do them (he even references the fact he's going to use that power), but how he does so between his chain reaction of Primus Goluud and the Solar Flares of the Denarii Nova differ greatly

For Primus Goluud, Sadow isn't wreathedin blue energy where as his showing at the Denarii Nova he's actively drawing the power of the ship into himself to channel through his sorcery.

Basically, I'd argue the Denarii Nova showing is a display of Tutaminis combined with TK/Sith Sorcery where the Primus Goluud showing is purely the technology :hmm

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@shootingnova: Not really what I'm getting at, but I also get the impression our approach to the series is a bit too different to convey what I'm talking about

I can try though *shrugs* (bear with me, I'm garbage at explaining my thoughts normally. I'm even less coherent now that I should be asleep)

Accolades are largely used to determine A>B>C when used properly

We can all agree when the example becomes A>B>C>A the logic circles on itself and the the contradiction needs expunged for the logic to not collapse on itself

In the context of treating accolades of Anakin being the most powerful Jedi ever as being not about his potential, but actual power he can feed into attacks?

The issue at hand becomes the A>B>C>A scenario I described

So the question then becomes which accolade do you throw out/reinterpret. Does Sidious' get ignored? Or does Anakin's get reconciled in a different manner?

For Sidious to be the most powerful Sith Lord, Zonakin as he is during RotS shouldn't surpass him or Yoda, Sidious' peer. Equals at best to preserve the accolade, but that doesn't work given falling to the Dark Side should increase Anakin's power yet again, right?

Anakin definitely has greater power he can eventually achieve, as been stated by many sources, but for him to have greater power he can shove into his attacks or defenses than those already espoused as being the most powerful Sith Lord at the same place in the timeline?

It's a giant circle than needs to be a line

Again though, 5 am. Sorry for the wall of possibly incoherent text. I'd really rather be asleep tbh *shrugs*

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@shootingnova - So, are you just establishing a rough parity between Anakin and Yoda/Sidious?

Or are you calling for him to be an outright peer?

If the former, fair enough

If the latter?

Seems incredibly difficult to reconcile with accolades that espouse Sidious being the most powerful Sith Lord ever by RotS and Yoda who's not only his peer, but more or less fought him on an equal level.

After all, accolades calling Anakin the most powerful Jedi ever (equal to or greater than Yoda as interpretations can go) in the context of power he can readily tap into would also by proxy briefly make him the most powerful Sith Lord ever as of the time of RotS (given Yoda possesses parity with Sidious as of RotS in terms of raw power demonstrated in their Lightning/Tutaminis struggle)

So the entire picture just kind of circles on itself in my head at nearly 5 am *shrugs*

Assuming you're going for outright peer

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@shootingnova - At what point in the game would have Sion's Force Crush and Drain of the Exile have occurred?

Or is that unknown?

As an offensive showing, it's progressively more impressive in terms of raw power the further into the game it happened :hmm

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@shootingnova - Think you missed a durability feat

Can't she eat a scripted Force Push from Nihilus depending on dialogue choices on the Ravager?

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Sure, it sends her flying, but she's not dead/mangled, so that's something :hmm

Granted, suppose he has vested interest in keeping her alive IIRC. *shrugs*

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