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@camilopezo said:

Legends SIdious is almost a god, he stomps.

This is only ROTS Sidious..

He was at this point already noted as the strongest Sith in history.

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Maul wins, mainly by virtue of having greater force reserves than Kenobi and possessing more raw power. He could lose if he gets overconfident or too reckless though.

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Together they clear, individually they stop at Ben.

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And let's not forget that force lightning is an ability strictly forbidden by the Jedi Council and Jedi Order. Force lightning isn't just some taser ability you can use to your own convenience. It's aggressive and passionate hatred and anger made manifest into the physical. It causes real and PERMANENT damage and agony to whoever is hit by it. It goes completely against what the Jedi stand for and it is everything they strive to avoid.

I think that if any Jedi were to be allowed by the Jedi Council to use force lightning, it would probably be in the form of the inferior and less aggressive electric judgement. However, considering that electric judgement isn't nearly powerful enough to destroy enemy ships with ease, this doesn't make sense at all.

Using force shockwave (basically repulse) and lightning while inside of a ship to destroy other ships and turrets? The game even acts like precognition and force enhanced reflexes are not a passive thing Jedi always have warning them and keeping them aware of their surroundings to react accordingly and it's an ability called 'force reflex'. Obvious game mechanic is obvious. Why is this even being argued?

I haven't played this game, and I don't like using Wookiepedia as a source, so I don't know if what your quote is accurate. However, if it is, it obviously raises some questions. As I've stated before, if Gallia uses a destructive force power such as force lightning or force shockwave inside the confinement of her star fighter, she's going to critically damage her own ship. The only way she can fire off lightning without hitting her own ship is if she opens her cockpit, but that would inevitably suck her out into the vacuum of space. The Wookiepedia quote also states that Gallia's lightning could outright destroy other ships and turrets. Even immensely powerful, fully fledged Sith lords such as Dooku don't have any showings that suggest their lightning is this powerful, and it's completely absurd that a Jedi who is vastly inferior to the likes of Dooku would have lightning that could incinerate enemy ships and turrets with ease. Only explanation would be that this is a game mechanic.

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Then why didn't she use this ability outside of the games then? There would be plenty of situations where it would've been helpful.

How a character behaves in terms of power comes down entirely to the specific writer. Plo is a master of Electric Judgment, but has only used it once. Could have used it many times against droids and whatnot. Dooku has only tossed around 215 meter cruisers once. Could have used such power to atomize those 30 pirates. And Yoda only dominated Separatist landing craft once. Could have used that kind of power to flatten the small groups of droids he faced in TCW. Different writers, different opinions.

I completely agree with your assessment, and it explains why SW feats are often inconsistent. However, Adi Gallia's showings with force lightning aren't inconsistent; they are none existent. There are no Legends or Canon material that even references her ability to use force lightning.

As I've stated several times already, I'm of the belief that if any of the SW writers wanted Gallia to be able to use lightning, they would've shown or at least implied that she was able to do so.

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- in her legends wookiepedia

Ah ha. Wookiepedia is a website anyone can edit, much like Wikipedia, thus making it unreliable. You're really grasping for straws if you're trying to use Wookiepedia to prove your point. Try again- and this time, use material that pertains directly to the Legends continuity.

you’re twisting and squirming, but the only reference to those events in legends continuity is the game, there was nothing before or after..

LOL. The only thing that suggests those events actually occurred in Legends is a very unreliable source that can be edited by anyone in Wookiepedia. Even if those events have occurred in Legends (an idea that is unsupported by reliable primary sources), that doesn't stop Adi using lightning from being a game mechanic as I would go into later.

therefore things like in game quotes matter, the game itself and everything, characters in it were seen as source material.

Uh no. First off, nothing suggests the events of the game are actually Legends except Wookiepedia, which is often inaccurate and unreliable, so you have not given definitive proof of the events of the game being part of continuity. Until you provide me with references of the events of the game in primary, reliable and officially approved sources, I'm not going to regard the game as a legends source.

Secondly, games can be based off actual events that have occurred, but that doesn't mean those things happened just like the games portray it. For example, in SW games that are based off actual events in Legends like TFU, characters have been known to be able to survive multiple lightsaber strikes and direct hits from tanks, things we know won't be possible in continuity.

You have done nothing to disprove that Gallia using force lightning is just a game mechanic, while the fact that the way she uses her lightning is illogical and contradictory to how force lightning works supports this idea. In addition, Gallia's lightning is also able to outright incinerate enemy turrets and ships in the games, making her lightning more powerful than that of vastly superior beings such as Dooku, which is ludicrous and farcical. The only reasonable explanation to these problems is that her lightning is a game mechanic. To compound this problem, she also has no showings with lightning outside of the games.

-because of limited exposure? Because she never had a chance to use it or have it referenced? Because she wasn’t as well recieved as say plo koon?

She had plenty of chances to use it as she appears in a multitude of situations in Legends. And the idea that she never had a chance for it to be referenced is ridiculous.

there’s no sound in space yet ships and blastfire and explosions make sound, space vacuum sucks people and air out in an instant yet this doesn’t happen in various times ship ruptures occur.

That's because the physics of SW are very different to the physics of our universe, which most people have no problem with. However, the way Gallia uses lightning blatantly contradicts how force lightning works as established by numerous sources.

Snoke used force lightning, it went straight to the floor then up at the target, that had never been seen before,

So? A starfighter is a physical object yes? If it is, then there's no way Gallia can fire a destructive force power such as force lightning into space without critically damaging her ship except by opening her cockpit, in which case she would be sucked into a vacuum.

neither had what palpatine did in episode 9 with lightning spreading to all ships above exegal in space,

And that further proves that force lightning does indeed affect most of the physical objects that it touches, which supports my point.

kinetite, a form of energy similar to force lightning can be used to create orbs, projectiles, be gathered force energy mentally through intense concentration, force lightning has also been used to cast in tandem with objects thru telekinesis to intensify impact of objects on opponents and yes to use as electric shields around one’s self, not just gameplay, but in novels.

I know this, and none of it disproves the fact that if Gallia tries to fire force lightning at another ship in her starfighter without opening the cockpit, it would severely damage her own ship.

Nice try, but that’s rots, where there’s a film, a comic, a novel, a picturebook, a lego game, a kids cd readalong and they all show different versions of the same story so game mechanics is much easier to claim when there’s more than one media of the actual story..

How about Ventress summoning tornados that follow her bidding? Far from inconceivable, and I'm not aware of anything that suggests she can't use this ability.

-well why didn’t she use telekinesis against grievous or savage?

She was likely being pressed too much by them to use a force attack.

Answer, like with lightning she was not given proper reprieve, preparation, in each scenario she was in close quarters and didn’t have time to concentrate enough to break away with a force attack like tk or lightning.

Nice red herring. The fact that she didn't use lightning in a heated fight with formidable enemies such as Savage or Grievous isn't a problem as that would be absolutely understandable. The problem is that she has never ever used the ability in continuity even when she wasn't being pressed by enemies and was given proper reprieve and preparation, despite it potentially being very useful in several scenarios. To make matters even worse, her ability to use lightning isn't even referenced once. If the writers really wanted her to be able to use lightning, she would've been shown or at least implied to be able to use it in Legends material

Doesn’t mean she couldn’t.

If a character has never been shown or suggested to be able to use a certain ability, there is no reason to assume they can. Otherwise, I could say that Darth Maul or any Jedi could use force lightning despite nothing suggesting that to be the case.

Same way we never saw plo use any lightning, required focus and isn’t something many can incorporate at a moment’s notice.

Plo does have showings with electric judgement (force lightning) and has been referenced to be able to use this ability as well

Koon could employ the Force Push ability without needing to face his target, manipulated the environment to create fog or ice, and even employed the controversial fingertip-lightning technique, which Koon called “Electric Judgment.

Star Wars: The New Essential Guide to Characters

The suite was spacious, and I was separated from Pommel by a distance of fifteen meters. Keeping an eye on me, Pommel began pulling the crying girl- I estimated her to be five years old- out through a wide doorway, beyond which I could see a small ship that rested on the suite's private landing pad. Obviously, his intent was to escape, and he considered the child his insurance. I had no reason to doubt that he would eventually kill her, even if i allowed them to board the escape vessel, for I could see what he'd done to the girl's parents and two siblings, whose bodies lay upon the floor of the inner suite.

In hindsight, there were many possible tactics I might have employed to apprehend Pommel and rescue the child, but I did not consider any options or calculate angles of attack as I watched him drag her toward the ship. I believe I acted instinctively when I extended my right arm toward Pommel and released a barrage of lightning.

I know that the Jedi Council was hesitant to send me on any assignment so soon after the death of Master Tyvokka, but I did not let loose with Force Lightning the way undisciplined beings might release stress. Like other Jedi, I learned of Force lightning at the Jedi Temple, and I am well aware that it is regarded as a dark side power. I never had any special interest in Force lightning, or felt compelled to experiment with it, but I knew it was- at least in me- an innate ability. I did not feel anger as I directed the lightning at Pommel's head, nor did I fear for the girl's safety. I was calm and in control of my faculties. I merely acted to end the situation before any more innocents died.

Upon being struck by the first bolt, Pommel reacted as anticipated as the shock seized his system. His arms flew out and away from his body, releasing both the blaster and the child, who fell to the landing pad. A second bolt ensured that Pommel would remain unconscious until local authorities arrived. I was never tempted to deal a killing blow.

Upon my return from Metellos, my use of Force lightning was included in my report to the Jedi Council. I maintained that I did not embrace the dark side when I used this ability, and that I acted by the will of the Force.

I appreciate the Council's concern with my report. I have not forgotten that is was Master Tyvokka's last wish that I join the Council. I also acknowledge the Council's observation that the Force runs strong in my family. My uncle was a Jedi Knight, as is my niece Sha Koon. While Kel Dors like ourselves have a reputation for seeing moral issues in black and white, I urge the Council to disregard my family in this situation, for I alone am responsible for my actions.

The Council asked me to contemplate whether I would hesitate to use Force lightning again, and whether I was wrong to employ it on Metellos. After much meditation, I believe it would be wrong of me to ignore this power that I might develop into a useful technique for combat. As for whether I was wrong to use it, I believe the only person who can rightfully answer that question is a five-year-old girl. Her name is Claria Labreezle, and she has been placed with relatives at Stratablock 7 on Metellos. May the Force be with us all.

Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

Plo Koon was not only appointed to the Jedi Council but apparently succeeded in perfecting the technique that he called Electric Judgment.

The Essential Guide to the Force

This is not at all the case with Gallia.

"Oh and she had limited exposure and everything we did see didn’t get as well recieved as ahsoka, shaak ti or plo koon."

Irrelevant. If the writers wanted Gallia to be able to use lightning, they would've shown, or at least implied she was able to do so no matter whether or not she had limited exposure. Moreover, Gallia does appear many times in both canon and Legends, so to say that she had limited exposure isn't extremely accurate.

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back after a thorough detox, what makes it not a game mechanic is the fact she says “force lightning will do”, in the game, just before using force lightning. Referring to her own power, in a game story that is part of legends continuity.

When were her game missions referenced in Legends source material? Even if they were, that doesn't mean the game itself is part of legends; it simply means that the game is based off some events that may have occurred in continuity. Thus, that quote proves nothing, especially since Gallia was likely referring to her power within that game itself in it.

That means its a real power she had.

Then why didn't she use or even reference it outside of the games?

None of this “lightning can’t work in space while flying” crap, stranger things have happened.

The way she uses lightning completely contradicts how force lightning works. To even get force lightning to not hit her own ship, she would have to open her cockpit, and that would suck her into the vacuum of space. Her lightning is also seemingly more powerful than that of much stronger force users such as Count Dooku, which is completely absurd unless it's a game mechanic of course.

It is far from inconceivable that adi can throw protective electric bubbles around herself and her ship

Cin Drallig can fire massive force energy blasts that explode on contact. That's also far from inconceivable.

or cast electric projectiles outward without necessarily using her arms, just her mind and maybe like storm just summoning lightning rather than creating it.

Then why didn't she use this ability outside of the games then? There would be plenty of situations where it would've been helpful.

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Anakin will act rashly. It's part of his character. Especially AOTC unrefined, inexperienced Anakin.

Perhaps I should've specified more clearly. Anakin will make rash decisions, but I don't think he's going to recklessly charge in like he did with Dooku since there's nothing motivating him to do something like that here.

It won't be as rash as against Dooku because he had great distaste for the Count due to what he did to the Jedi on Geonosis.

Precisely.

Maul is just an assassin to them and Obi-Wan would really dislike him because he killed Jinn.

Which will make the fight harder for Maul.

Regardless, it still will be enough where I can see TPM Maul taking a decent majority.

I agree, but unless he's able to separate the duo for an extended period of time, he probably won't be able to defeat both of them before Yoda arrives.

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R1: Darth Maul can beat Obi-Wan and Anakin, but unless Anakin acts rashly like he did against Dooku, they could probably hold their own until Yoda arrives and stomps Maul.

R2: Either can solo. Together, they beat Maul decisively.