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@the_kidd said:
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Sure Lance situation is terrible but Siren despite biologically being his daughter is a complete stranger who shouldn't be trusted.

Well, you're a very ice cold person in that case lmao. I believe in forgiveness, so I'm hoping E2 Laurel repents somehow.

I guess I am, lol. This isnt the first time Oliver/Lance offered to help Siren but she always chooses a villain for assistance.

She's had a pretty bad life, especially in comparison to her counterpart. Of course that isn't an excuse, but the idea is that if somebody as bad as Oliver Queen can find redemption, then Laurel can too.

Just to weigh in, Oliver isn't THAT bad a person. Correct me if I'm wrong, but everyone or nearly everyone he's killed has either been a remorseless killer or worked for one and at his worst Ollie was killing to survive, prevent the death of those closest to him or the destruction of the city. I don't recall the specifics, but the only killing I thought was truly morally questionable was when he snapped the neck of a guy in a Russian prison in one of the flashbacks, who may have been an innocent informer or the lawyer of a rival mob boss. More importantly, Ollie clearly lives in a failed state/city/world, where the normal rules don't and can't apply. Star City and the World would have been destroyed at least a half a dozen times, if he didn't take extreme action. Given how awful and unstable his world truly is, Ollie is a paragon of restraint. Also, ARGUS has known who the Green Arrow is all along and they've never made it a point to arrest or detain him, in fact they sponsor and support his vigilantism, so there's an argument to be made that his actions are secretly Govt. approved.

As for Siren, she's clearly struggling with her dark side and her feelings for her faux-father, but, unlike Oliver, she isn't actually worthy of redemption. Oliver's worst actions were never motivated by money, accumulation of power or other forms of personal gain, whereas Siren's actions have been solely motivated by greed, money, power, or the pleasure she receives from destroying, killing and hurting people. Ollie's revelation from last season that he enjoys killing isn't the same, he enjoys it because it makes him feel righteous, like he's correcting a wrong and objectively he usually is doing the right thing. On the other hand, Siren enjoys it, because it's wrong, like Sociopaths and serial killers, she knows her actions are wrong, but does it anyway, not because its for the greater good, but because it feels good. Her romance with Diaz in her father's home shows you that she's too weak, cruel and opportunistic to change on her own or even with her father's help. Unlike Sarah and Ollie, Siren really needs to hit rock bottom to change, so my guess is that she'll be responsible for her father's death and then with Sarah's help she'll start down a new path.

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What obligatory scenes, character or action beats are missing that would have made Season 2 better?

IMO, JJS2 was incredibly light on action, especially in regard to its anti-climactic final showdown, relying on a handgun in a confrontation between three super-powered characters is bad writing!

I felt Trish needed a stronger, more personal motive for pursuing/shooting the mother. Her ex-fiancee should have returned after Trish was hospitalized and been killed by Jessica's mom. Then, the final showdown could have played out as a physical fight between three powered individuals, two of whom blame each other for the death of their loved ones, with Jessica stuck in the middle. It makes sense for Trish to be the one to put the mother down, but punches needed to be thrown either between Trish and the Mom, the Mom and Jessica or Jessica and Trish. Preferably, all three fight scenarios should have played out in an escalating fashion. This season, Jessica's biggest fear is that she'd become a monster, like her rage-fueled mother or Killgrave, so going after Trish in a more aggressive and physical manner before stopping herself would have paid the theme off better. Also, having Trish learn to use her new powers on the fly in a fight to the death would have been much more entertaining. It also would have given Trish and Jess another reason to separate: Trish doesn't need Jessica to protect her anymore!

I was also disappointed by the reveal that IGH is really just this one hippie dude! I think they could have created a more compelling shadow organization for Jessica to uncover and deal with, at least to set-up the conflict for the next season. If the Mom and hippie dude are on the run from IGH with its military connections and plethora of super-soldiers/agents, that would give the Mother a stronger motive for cleaning house in her desperate attempt to keep her loved ones safe. It also would have led to better and more diverse action.

For me, these two things would have turned a good season into a great season! How about you?

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@assemblesquad: Russo's only chance is surprising Bourne with the Hidden knife and unless he lands a killing blow Bourne will still win every round. In addition to being more skilled all around, Bourne is also capable of fighting through crippling injuries. Russo folded to easily when Frank cut his face. The moment Bourne does the same, it's over.

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@mutant1230:The idea of superman's pal and Superman's greatest villain's sister hooking up is fantastic. The reality of their lack of chemistry is horrible. I really liked Lena and Winn. They're both brainiacs and speak each other's language, at the very least they should become best friends. They're also potentially both future supervillains.

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I think I'm in the minority here, but I don't think they have any chemistry whatsoever. Contextually I don't think they make sense as a couple in the slightest either.

I prefer Cage with Jessica Jones, but that's more because Jessica is actually really interesting and she keeps me from falling asleep whenever Cage is on-screen. I really only liked Claire in Daredevil, I felt she paired best with him by far.

Agreed. Luke's superpowers naturally pair better with Jessica, ahem, physically. She also animates any straight-laced character in a scene with her humor and unpredictability. Claire also stacks up best with Matt because he's the only one who actually needs her as a night nurse. His physical vulnerability pushes Claire to sympathize and empathize with Matt in ways she can't with Luke.

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@depinhom: Probably Colossus or a draw. Cap can't physically hurt Piotr and Piotr will have great difficulty connecting with a punch. In the end, the fact that Colossus can KO Steve and Steve can't KO Colossus should give Colossus the win.

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Again, Iron Fist is a bullet timer.

Cap running 40 mph has nothing to do with combat speed. If Danny is zoned in, with Chi active , Cap is slow mo.

Did you see Defenders? Danny got hit multiple times from characters slower and weaker than Cap. His only chance is a full powered Chi shot and Cap will most likely put him down before he can wind up to throw it, at least the majority of the time. Danny hasn't used his bullet-timing feat consistently enough, especially during H2H fights for it to be a factor, though I'll grant you that when he can move at that speed throughout a prolonged H2H fight I'll give him the win.

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Yeah, they were almost a good couple. They were short-changed by some bad writing. They have the right mix of character qualities to make a good couple. I have to say that Caity Lotz doesn't have good chemistry with anyone on any of the shows. She plays badass well but she's never quite vulnerable enough to make a romantic connection. She probably has the best chemistry with Nyssa but they never had enough scenes together to really make that relationship soar. Her one night stand with Alex is DOA.