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• Orion literally stalemated Base and Amped Supes everytime they fought.
• Thor literally got KO'd by base Supes (unlike Orion) and beat an ambiguous Doomsday we don't even know which form applied during the fight.

• Either way you slice it, Orion > Superman > Thor > unspecified Doomsday

As we can clearly see

^The Bodied poster literally keeps saying "40 scans" when he didn't even post 21...... adding can't count to the long list of his inabilities. Along with: Basic Reading.

The rest of that unintelligible parrot babble is just a joke, as is his general posting history. Orion was clearly praised and referenced by Superman as beyond him and anyone with half a brain knows this, won't hold my breath for you.

Son really cried typing that post LOL, I don't even care enough about him to care one way or another lol.

Anyway, Orion wins since He's matched Superman both before the Mental unlock and after. Meanwhile Thor go KO'd

On top of Orion literally flexing Superman + the entire JLA away like flies: When has Orion or Superman ever suggested Superman > Orion?

Here is Superman himself saying otherwise:

• Superman believes that after seeing Orion fall there is no hope for any of them. Including himself:

Superman understand why THEY are Gods after seeing Orion's true power

Lets see who actually is telling the truth with their claims, no more assumptions.

Look below, he won't post a confirming Supes > Orion. Another falsehood lol, this debate is done. Actual feats ftw:

^2 for Cos

Post 169's cope is sponsored by someone who can't prove Superman is Superior to Orion and would rather cope with the same 3 feats. It's kinda sad how terrible his reading skills are despite me patiently breaking things down. Buddy literally hasn't posted 40 scans but claims he did..... can he count? That debating is very butthurt and bitter... Which alt are you that got destroyed? i mean aside from the time a mod made you have a hiatus while we watched? Bro literally said:

Him: "Superman said he > Orion in a scan!!"

Me: Where?

Him: "Trust me bro"

^Type shi.

Observe the parrot babble and the love/hate of my lingo Original content below~

By everyone to see meaning Superman leaving Thor snoozing when he kicked it into gear and went all out. Yes, everyone with eyes saw it.

Who cares about context though right? Especially when Thor literally got washed by Supes in the same series.

• Also JLA/Avengers came out in 2003-2004, well after H/P Doomsday or even Imperiex's Doomsday. After Imperiex killed him, Doomsday received a canon nerf to his power and speed compared to H/P as literally stated by Superman in story. Superman is literally withstanding his punches and the nerf doesn't happen gradually it was noticed by Superman at the beginning of the fight as stated. His consciousness IS the nerf and was failing to put down Suprman on page 23 which is what caused Superman to comment on his weakness in strength compared to H/P through page 24-25:

We never saw Doomsday at the beginning of the fight so choosing fashion to headcanon H/P Doomsday vs Thor is laughable at best. So no proof Doomsday wasn't even paying attention to Thor? Not to mention there was no proof the Thor doomsday fought did or didn't have a suit since we didn't see the fight. "Naturally" aka an assumption, as is the energy projection unless we forget Thor has lightning. Doomsday starts with the green suit, and since we don't see the Thor vs DD fight in full, we don't know if he had it on or not n or do we know how long the fight spanned. All headcanon and a waste of time since green shorts is all he ends up with in most fights. Lack of assumptions ftw:

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Unless stated that was H/P Doomsday (Orion's Doomsday), Thor beat the sub-Superman Doomsday of the time. Weakened Doomsday, and certainly not the one Orion fought. Also even with mental Blocks he was till only able to match Doomsday when Doomsday was probe busting. Keep in mind Mental block less Superman said he'd live to regret not confronting Doomsday there and was calling him destruction personified with awe, showing H/P Doomsday as a problem unlike Rex who got hilarious owned much like Thor did by Superman. Something Superman has never done to Orion, but Orion has done to Superman. Also Superman doesn't regret not killing villians, quite the opposite. Only doomsday. Mental blocks were removed during OWAW and even then Doomsday was Superior to Superman. Nothing Hype about it, nor does a claim by Superman count as an actual feat

• God forbid we ignore all the times Orion literally flexed Supermans level of power off.

((Unless we use "Duplicate Orion" which is laughable or TP feats from Brainiac which Thor doesn't have any of. Or act like Superman saying "even Orion went down. We're doomed" is vague lol. Brainiac literally shot a Telepathic blast that left the building standing. Would be like adding Orion resisted Hammond while Supes got possessed and took more hits from Void hound Than Superman. Kryptonite was countered by the fact he went near the Sun to drop off the nukes. So makes sense))

• Literally Laughs off Superman's pissed blitz

Amped Superman still finds himself tangoing with Orion

Literally pimpslaps Superman while trying to break his mind control:

Young Supes is 1-shot

Orion was the only one (Lightray & Barda too) who could bust the hole in the Void hound, something a group of heroes including Supes had trouble withstanding much less busting down:

• Or how Orion was the only one who could withstand Psywhips that submitted Superman twice:

• Orion tanked multiple Psywhips at once. With no Motherbox:

There are little moments like that, which are overshadowed by the General/Martian/Mageddon feats. And that last one was very circumstantial given Superman absorbed the light. Orion fought Mageddon twice, and when Orion fell Superman thought all was hopeless:

Orion absolutely destroyed Darkseid in Countdown, a feat that's impressive given Supes was struggling with an inferior version just moments before. He even flexes Heroes (Including Superman) away with a gesture:

• Lastly, Superman himself said he was bothered as to why Orion and even all of New Genesis called themselves Gods.... Untill he seen this fight. It's levels, and Supes is not messing with Orion when he gets serious:

Duplicates are not the Originals, literally reaching but I get why when Orion has far better feats against Superman. Like at least 15 listed above. Superman himself has said Orion > Him and to say otherwise without a scan is pure cope. Unless you're biased, the answer is clear. Good post Jim oh, and one more:

Orion tanks attack Superman succumbs to and Orion has to save him

Who do you think wins here guys?

@jimohkolawol10:

@mage101:

Of course my friend!! honored you want my input~

Orion will take Thor in a mid-diff fight. Orion consistently matched Superman in fights physically, even some amped versions of Supes got matched by Orion. For every instance where Superman looks better (VS Doomsday/Eiling) Orion turns around and dwarfs Superman (VS Darkseid/Skeletons that 1-shot Supes). Superman, even from his own mouth, seems to put Orion over himself pretty often:

• Orion >=Superman = Thor

Black Adam vs Bill is close. Black Adam consistently lolstomps powergirl (Something Captain Atom can only dream of) and has teambusted quite often. Bill has more raw power in my opinion but with Black Adam;s recent showing with his lighting against the Great Darkness and other Cosmic beings..... he is close to thor level.

I love Herc, but Shazam has the speed to really make this fight a given. Herc has better strength feats and even scaling IMO, but Shazam with his speed plus consistency in strength and who he won't lose to? Shazam for the majority.

Overall: Team 2 wins, with Bill being the only one who could win his match.