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#1  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon

Even if you took away Wolverine's abilities he'd demolish Widow on skill alone. 

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#2  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@Super_SoldierXII said:


First, you state that Thor needs to swing his hammer around for a while to achieve FTL speed throws. This has been proven false. Do you not agree that your statement is false?
Second, you state that Thor's hammer has a mind of its own and doesn't need Thor's directives whatsoever to fly true to its target... is this what you are saying? Because this is easily disproven if this is, in fact, what you are trying to state. Because even if Thor needs to have ANY input whatsoever to direct his hammer to its target, he would need to possess senses and reflexes that can react to FTL speeds. That is fact. 
Third, to back these points, you are stating that despite whast Surfer was saying, he was in fact, because you say so, not going as fast as he could to outrace Thor's hammer. 
 
I repeat... I am not refering to the battle where SS states he was going all out. I have not referred to that battle for a while now... OK? I am referring to THIS battle; 
 

 
 
Now, aside from the speed debate... how do the DC team deal with all Marvel team's magics??

I did state that Thor needs to swing his hammer to send it flying at faster then light speeds. And guess what? I still stand by that, the only time that Thor has ever thrown his hammer at light speeds, he freaking swung his hammer.  Not once has it ever shown Thor simply tossing his hammer and it suddenly moving at light speeds.  This hasn't been proven false because no one has shown an instance where Thor just randomly threw his hammer at light speeds.
 
Second I stated that Thor's hammer can lock onto targets.  If you actually look at the trajectory of the hammer when it chases Surfer, it's curving, there isn't any way Thor can throw his hammer and have it curve mid flight without some use of magic. Even if Thor needed to input some command to his hammer, he would only need light speed reaction time IF Surfer was actually moving faster then light in the instance, and there is no proof that he was.  
 
Also, Surfer actually questions if Mjolnir can oufly him, and doesn't outright state it as a fact.  It's more likely that he was caught by surprise that Mjolnir can keep up and match his speed.  This does not mean that Surfer was flying at light speeds.
 
Again you need to look at context, I'll summarize it for you really quick
 
- Mjolnir follows its targets, it's curving when it follows Surfer
- Surfer isn't going faster then light
- Surfer doesn't claim that Mjolnir can outfly him, he questions it.  
 
As far as you're scans go.  Most of those are abilities Thor has used like once or twice in his entire existence.  God blast isn't an instantaneous attack.  Both Superman and Captain Marvel have resisted transmutation before, and Captain Marvel can teleport by using the ROE.  The rest of those abilities are no more useless then Superman using HV or Captain Marvel using lightning or magic.
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#3  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Cosmic_Falcon said:



                    @AsgardianXeno929 said:

@Cosmic_Falcon said:

@AsgardianXeno929

: I think what you don't understand is  -Silver Surfer isn't even flying as fast as he can - Thor throwing his hammer has nothing to do with his reaction speed  I understand perfectly what he's trying to say.  None of it is relevant and none of it proves Thor having faster then light reaction speed. 

                   

               
-How do you know he wasn't? He said it can out-fly him, not "It can out-fly me if I go at 65% of my top speed" -Someone has said before, how would he be able to aim at surfer if he couldn't see/ react to him? Can you throw a hammer and hit a bullet?

                   

               
How do you know he was? If there was some indication that Surfer was actually flying at light speeds or faster, then you can argue Thor has light speed reaction time.  As far as aiming at Surfer goes, if you noticed the trajectory of Mjolnir it's curved.  Thor doesn't necessarily have to aim at Surfer because Mjolnir will lock on to him and follow him. 

                   

               
You cannot really believe that the Surfer would concern himself as to whether or not he can escape Thor's hammer throw ... while only speeding half assed? That is counter logical to the extreme. I am racing someone and am incredulously questioning whether I can outrace him and win ... but then I'm only putting out 60% effort? Nonesense.
I've already explained this, that Surfer doesn't always fly at his max in combat scenarios and that the character barely has any combat speed feats.  It's more likely that Mjolnir caught him by surprise.  And again the Mjolnir can lock onto targets.
 
BTW I also wanted to address that the two instances you showed were from entirely different comics.  In one instance from Silver Surfer 4 where Thor throws Mjolnir at Surfer, in another instance where Surfer said he would stop holding back against Thor, that was from Infinity Watch 23.  2 entirely different instances.
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#4  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@Super_SoldierXII said:


@Cosmic_Falcon: 

Exactly. Thank you.  
This is the point that gets continuously glossed over despite my spelling it out repeatedly. Cosmic_Falcon, while I respect your argument and see your reasoning, your responses only addressed the battle where SS states he's not holding back. Wherein the bulk of my argument centers upon the scan reattached here. I will try ONE more time. Surfer states, incredulously, that the hammer is outflying him. The Hammer only missing because Loki's magic is protecting the Surfer. This telling comment stated thusly proves; 
1) That the Surfer, after his dialogue, took off flying at top speeds when battling Thor; 
2) That Thor was fast enough to get a bead on him and throw despite said speeds; 
3) That the SS could not out race said throw or hammer speed... and this by his own admission. An admission missing from other battles purported by you to have taken place in a similar manner;
4) That Thor by no means needs to wind up for forever and an age to achieve FTL speeds with a hammer throw 
5) Thor's reflexes in effecting such an aim at a FTL speed oponent must be at levels allowing him to content with the likes of Superman and Captain Marvel.  
 
Unless you somehow want to prove SS is not a FTL speed being...? 
 
Again, if Thor's reflexes cannot match the speed of his throw, then that feat would have been impossible.  Surfer would have been out of sight and out of mind long beforehand... 
 
Cosmic_Falcon, irregardless of speed feats, you have yet to show how either Superman or CA contend with;  

None of your points get glossed over, they are just weak arguments that get dismissed because they don't prove the point that you claim you're trying to get across.  Why do you think that because Surfer isn't holding back, that Thor hitting him mean's he has light speed reaction time?  When slower characters have tagged Surfer when he's going all out as well?  This does NOT validate Thor having light speed reaction time.  
Surfer states that the hammer is outflying him, but guess what? Not once does it state Surfer is flying as fast as he can or flying at light speeds.    Also if you looked at the scan posted Mjolnir is curving which means that it's locked onto Surfer.  Thor didn't really aim his hammer, he threw it and it was able to lock on to Surfers position and follow him.  It has nothing to do with aiming or reaction time and has more to do with magic that Thor can use that lets Mjolnir lock on to it's targets
 
1. What dialogue? Surfer saying he wouldn't hold back anymore and Surfer running from Mjolnir at 2 entirely different instances.
2. Thor's hammer can lock onto targets, he didn't have to aim at Surfer, he just had to throw his hammer and it would of followed him.  Again, nothing to do with reaction time
3. Surfer wasn't going all out in the instance where Thor sent Mjolnir after him 
4. Apparently he does, because the one time that he threw his hammer at faster then light speeds, he needed to wind his hammer up before throwing it.
5. Again, Mjolnir can lock onto targets.  Mjolnir was curving direction when it chased Surfer.
 
Surfer being a ftl means nothing unless he's actually moving faster then light during the instance where said feat happened. 
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#5  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@AsgardianXeno929 said:
@Cosmic_Falcon said:
@AsgardianXeno929: I think what you don't understand is  -Silver Surfer isn't even flying as fast as he can - Thor throwing his hammer has nothing to do with his reaction speed  I understand perfectly what he's trying to say.  None of it is relevant and none of it proves Thor having faster then light reaction speed. 
-How do you know he wasn't? He said it can out-fly him, not "It can out-fly me if I go at 65% of my top speed" -Someone has said before, how would he be able to aim at surfer if he couldn't see/ react to him? Can you throw a hammer and hit a bullet?
How do you know he was? If there was some indication that Surfer was actually flying at light speeds or faster, then you can argue Thor has light speed reaction time. 
As far as aiming at Surfer goes, if you noticed the trajectory of Mjolnir it's curved.  Thor doesn't necessarily have to aim at Surfer because Mjolnir will lock on to him and follow him. 
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@Susanoo said:
@Cosmic_Falcon: Thor swings it for effect. His hammer goes as fast as he wills it to.
Right, I'm sure he swings it for effect /rolls eyes
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#7  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@AsgardianXeno929: I think what you don't understand is
 
-Silver Surfer isn't even flying as fast as he can
- Thor throwing his hammer has nothing to do with his reaction speed
 
I understand perfectly what he's trying to say.  None of it is relevant and none of it proves Thor having faster then light reaction speed. 
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#8  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon

If Karate Kid and Midnighter aren't allowed, maybe Batman 1 Million then.

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#9  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@randumo24 said:
@Cosmic_Falcon said:
Anime vs Comic fights aren't allowed anymore.
I think the ban is really only for DBZ threads. 
It's for all anime vs comic threads. 
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#10  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon

Anime vs Comic fights aren't allowed anymore.