ConcernedSpiderFan

@punyparker Quesada hates MJ that's why it happened.......the practical stage of the matter is that a single Peter is more relatable.

There is simply no other explanation a person can come to certainly not after OMIT. I actually didn't mind that much how everyone was written so out of character in OMIT or the extreme measures of the contrived demonic time travel or the extreme spitefulness of the way he gave the finger to older fans what bugged me about it was that he claims that he likes Spider-Girl but he wrote OMIT as a character assassination in the most literal terms. Quesada had to go so far out of his way to kill Mayday in 616 a hope fans had for so long to burn Spider-Girl a 135 issue apology letter for the clone saga and the one possible future of Peter's life that's not entirely miserable.

And the truth is Marvel could have both young mainstream Peter and adult Peter if that's so important they could have relaunched Untold Tales and told stories at any time they wanted. Lee/Ditko days filled out with ASM 1-38 and Untold 1-25 then write 25 issues of Romita, 25 Conway, 25 Defalco and so on and that would sell to new readers they would get the teen/college age character that's "more accessible" and they would be very invested in it because they would be reading fresh important parts of Parker history and old fans would love it as well. So while I've been very on the fence about getting ASM 700.1-700.5 I think I'll buy em all give Marvel a lesson who knows maybe we can avoid another retcon.

I liked Superior 11-19 and 20-21 were enjoyable enough the Venom battle in 22-23 was okay but the ending of the issue was very rushed. Who thinks that $3.99 titles especially ones with a lot of subplots like Superior would be better if they were 4 pages longer?

@punyparker Nice theory on Goblin King.

People Marvel never writes Spider-Man into a corner because of incompetence they wrote him into mediocrity (much of the 90’s) because of incompetence. Fans often say that the Civil War unmasking and what followed made Marvel desperate for a fix and the title needed a retcon wrong! OMD was what happened when the writers and editors who had been trying unsuccessfully to kill the marriage for over a decade (and created stuff like the Clone Saga as a result) and decided to plot together. Editorial has said the Civil War unmasking was approved not as a publicity stunt but because it would write Spider-Man into a corner where he would probably need a retcon. This only made the outcome BND worse because the psychic blind spots the civil war made necessary erased so much character development of allies and enemies. In the old day’s Spidey progressed but plagued by setbacks writers only had him fall so he could rise anew now progression like Big Time is only acceptable if it’s to facilitate greater falls. If Marvel tries to do a big reboot for the title after Superior which is quite likely I know they won’t learn from the past that would mean acknowledging that they this approach is wrong. So if Marvel goes for another round of “young” (FanFic) Spider-Man take notes on how it’s done.

And the thing is I appreciate the late 70's early 80's it was new and fresh enough in its time but its greatest value was covering that ground in Peter's life and demonstrating why he should not go through/be written in such circumstances again. I don't understand editorials fixation with that era Peter was in college for forever his money problems were boring by the two hundredth issue and the revolving door romance only served to show how uninteresting revolving door love interest are.

@camstevens80 You are making my point and you don't even know it. You think I don't know about FanFiction I write FanFiction most of it is awful and the reason why is because FanFiction is written to please one person the writer while comics are written to please thousands the fans. Because of the freedom that comes with FanFiction they often fall into two categories What-If's that fix things that aren't broken and "idealized" versions that authors live vicariously through. I'm not going to debate whether Slott has earned his job or if I could do any better. If you ask the people on this board many of them will agree that their problem is that Superior is a FanFic just like Brand New Day! Spider-Man is a popular and relatable character that people find very easy to identify with so much to the point that The majority of his writers since Conway's departure are guilty of trying to turn the character into their personal FanFic with mixed results. That is why Spider-Man is broken because writers try to sell the stories they want and if they are one of the minority that don't try to live vicariously through the character and write for an audience then editorial wants their own personal FanFic and muscles their way in. So if you were to ask me if I want to write Spider-Man I'd say I would love to but I probably wouldn't take it because however much confidence I have in myself I wouldn't want to abuse that "godlike" power. Are comic writers arrogant? Not all of them but a majority. Slott has a lot of fun in his work and I've said I can appreciate that quality but he does get gleeful kicks out of pissing off fans and I've known enough people like that in real life to be wary. Should a writer take a fans advice on a message board? Definitely not myself included. Should a writer listen to what thousands of fans on message boards are saying when they agree with each other on the exact same points? Certainly. Spider-Man will only be fixed when we get both writing and editorial of the caliber of Bendis or DeFalco. I don't expect, demand or want comics to be written to my taste what comic writers should strive for is the highest common denominator of what long term fans want.

Yeah Slott likes to make Otto the smartest person in the Marvel Universe so Peter's IQ will probably drop even though Peter is a lot brighter and has been outsmarting Otto since he was a teenager. Look at Otto's thesis a real one hit wonder.

Questions

How long will it take Peter to put his life back together 20, 50, 100 issues?

Will Parker Industries survive? It’s destruction would be a great part of Otto’s downfall but it could make a good competitor to Alchemax which is not going away anytime soon.

How many stars would you give ASM 700.1?

Goblin Nation is going to be great it contains the most iconic elements of a Spider-Man Green Goblin confrontation.

1. Attempted (and successful this time) domination of the criminal underworld

2. The enemies know each other very well

3. The death of a love interest

This story arc will be further boosted by the scale. It’s all out war with Spider-Man and his army versus 4 Goblins (not counting Kingsley who obviously loses his battle to GK) and every supervillain and thug Sp0ck has pushed into a corner.

@camstevens80 Its true fans are far more vocal about the things they dislike maybe it’s because they want them addressed which is beneficial to writers when they aren’t arrogant. Points like the rape and inability of people to discover Otto’s deception are very overstated but are opinions shared by tens of thousands of fans why because they are legitimate concerns and Dan’s inability/unwillingness to handle these issues with intelligence or class reflects on his talent. Your argument about different writers is invalid especially with characters as strong and fleshed out as those in the spider titles. If a character doesn’t have 50 years of history to drawn from and is inconsistently written nobody will invest in them it’s that simple. How would people react if the next Star Wars movie presented Palpatine as a saint or Yoda as a dimwit? The only part of Superior I hate is issue 9 and I’ve already half forgiven Dan for that. Sales don’t concern me I acknowledge that they went up. What I don’t accept is Dan’s attempts to have his cake and eat it too with those arguments. Say a fan has followed Superior on the internet but is unwilling to financially support it if they complain Dan will say that they don’t have a right to judge his work because they haven’t paid for physical copies on the other hand if they have bought his run he will say that it is proof that his work is engaging Sp0ck is awesome yay ignoring the reasons most of us are still reading our concern for Peter’s return and inability to look away at this train wreck. And you can’t say that we are complaining just because we want Peter back most readers accepted Miles.

Haven't read issue 23 yet but it's seems to of course be following Slott's idiot virus that started in Dying Wish. What Marvel is doing to Mary Jane and has been doing really been attempting since shortly before the marriage is to slowly degrade fans perception of the character like they did with Black Cat. They hate the character because her history and quality and in the past marital status means that whatever love interest writers and editorial wrote couldn't compete. Before OMD such attempts only backfired and resulted in things like the Clone Saga because of how fundamentally wrong it was to accomplish what they wanted they needed something even more extreme then the CS. her character has been very hard to assassinate because of how long she's been in the comics and her recognition very durable supporting character. That's part of why they keep pissing off old fans and want them to leave because new fans don't know the history and won't recognize the difference then the new fans get the very opinions Marvel wants and in time she gets jettisoned. It's a race because when management changes common sense will return.

Jameson's rolling out the Spider-Slayer's he never learns does he. Who thinks we won't see them till Peter's back in his body?

My thoughts on MJ so far. Pedro is just a stand-in for Peter before they got married it was clear that Peter was the only human MJ could imagine being serious with this feeling would be amplified after the "spark" first showed up in their lives. They keep dancing around each other as Joephisto wants until she's sufficiently corroded or someone else gets his job. MJ's stupidity really bugs me he'd be exposed in mere minutes but issue ten had the opposite effect on me then most people. I didn't see a Dunst level damsel addicted to being saved far removed from the capable woman we know I saw her faith the same kind that allowed her to throw everything away in the past and it made me sad. Why did she call Otto in 19 because he needed to know they were through or because she needed to hear it herself?

On the party thing once again haven't read it yet but I always thought that would make a comeback. When I first heard about the club I thought finally finally we are going to see the character go through some more evolution her character evolution was one of the things that made her more 3-Dimensional than most supporting characters I always thought a small portion of the party stuff was genuine she liked having fun and put herself in those situations all the time as part of the façade but she couldn’t fool herself. The wonderful thing about their relationship is that they intimately know one another they were the first people to peek under each other’s mask. So if Peter is completely absent and Pedro isn’t satisfying I could only assume she’d fall back into her old routine rather than Master her old way of life in her business. Without Peter only Aunt May knows the real Mary Jane and the mask comes back on. She could never have the same thing with the firefighter because then she would have to tell him her story which she won’t because of all the bits involving a certain arachnid.