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Season 2 Trevor was still getting back into his groove and would most likely lose to Sypha. He just wasn't as fast and stable as he is later.

Season 4 Trevor on the other hand became a tank with more tools. He survived an attack from death after fighting through all of Dracula's castle, had shrugged off hits from night creatures, and even was fighting while littered with needles in his body. He is likely going to survive a basic hit from her magic. She does have some stuff like her ice disc that could kill him though. If he has full equipment he is also going to be as tricky to fight as she is for him. His range with his morningstar is insane and likely going to one shot sypha and also his cross boomerang is going to do massive damage if he can land it on her as it sliced right through basically everything it touched. He has an advantage in both close range (killed a night creature with his bare hands) and long range (cross boomerang and somehow the morningstar which seems to have infinite range on it). She likely has the mid-range advantage with her tools but Trevor was always a master in working fights into where he was best. I'll go trevor 8-9/10 times.

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He clears. Wolf is able to react to and catch natural lightning, which speaks for itself in terms of his speed. He likely just straight speed blitzes and cuts off most of their heads. If we want to scale him to some of the beings he fought the Divine Dragon would clear this list and Wolf bested it in its own realm just to get a tear from it, a being that Wolf deflected massive blows from. If we allow him his tool kit he straight up has items that would put out the fires from the fire benders too as well as having spiritual weapons such as the kunai.

Considering that he was able to parry straight wind attacks from the divine dragon, it is amusing to think that Wolf could parry the elemental attacks from the benders.

Adding owl and Isshin is uber overload.

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I guess if limbo clones could hit Lille? That's the only thing I could possibly see him doing without something like Kamui and idk why they would even be able to hit Lille.

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@famousroman said:
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@famousroman: You can see Gai with the outfit he wore in the academy and Kakashi before he got his headband (never takes it off after getting it besides ANBU stuff) meaning the oneshot has to be while they are at the academy which Kakashi entered the academy at 4 and and can be 4-5 in the oneshot. We also see Obito with no headband, another person that never is seen without theirs after getting it at the academy. Kakashi is 14 years older than Naruto, and since Minato is 24 years old when he dies (same night Naruto is born) Minato is 10 years older than Kakashi. So, Minato is likely to be 14-15 in the oneshot. He looks older but its the only age that can make sense from what we see.

I did some cuik mafs for we the gang, so we can get some ages down. First the general info, the root, where we start from:

Bee is scouted by the Raikage when he seems to be about 5 years old. Kakashi supposedly entered the Academy when he was 5 years old. Kakashi was promoted, at the start of the war, when he was 12 to the rank of jonin. At that same time, Obito was 13 years old, and by the end of Shippuden, Obito is 31 years old, and so is Kakashi. Minato died at the age of 24 when Naruto was born. At the start of the series, Naruto is 12 years old, and the third world war in the Naruto Universe started more than 10 years prior to that. The war ended before Minato died, so before he was 24 years old. Kakashi by the start of Naruto he was 26. By the time of Naruto Shippuden, Naruto is 15 years old. By the start of Shippuden Kakashi is 29 years old. By the middle of Shippuden, the 4th Raikage is 47 years old, and Killer Bee is 36, and at the point in which they are this old, Naruto is 16 years old.

So by the time of Obito's attack, Minato's death, and Naruto's birth:

Minato is 24, Kakashi would be 14, Obito would be 15, Ay would be 31, and Bee would be 20.

By the Obito Gaiden story:

Obito is 13, Kakashi is 12, Minato would be 22, Ay would be 29, and Bee would be 18.

By the one shot, in which Kakashi, Obito, and Guy are seen as 'Academeers':

Kakashi is older than 5, Obito is likely 6, Minato would be around 15 (got his hands on FTG already somehow and has deep, intricate, secret Uzumaki clan seal knowledge and mastery, idk and idc), Ay would be around 22, and Bee would be around 11.

I mean the math is fine, but Minato and Bee didn't fight until the third ninja war so I don't really know how you would claim that minato was getting matched by an 11 year old B when he was at least 16+.

I thought it was obvious? If they claimed Minato was a teen when he faced Ay, than Bee would've been a kid, that's the point. But he ain't. Mind you, the Ay we see fight Minato looks the same as the one who first met and recruited 5 year old Bee, so that would make anyone think Bee was young as fuck there.

They aren't claiming minato was a teen when he fought Ay, he fought Ay during the 3rd war which could be 5-7 years after the end of the oneshot. The oneshot takes place towards the end of the 2nd war as Jiriaya is still there and he can't be there if the war is over as he would be in the village of the rain during the end of that war for a considerable amount of time. We don't know the exact time that Ay and Minato first fought during the 3rd war but considering that Minato was already a flee on site when he fought Ay then it was definitely not the start of the war as Minato would not have that reputation until after he began doing mission for that specific war. As you said, Bee might be 11 during the one shot, but for some reason you are assuming the two fight directly after the end of the oneshot when they definitely don't fight for a few years after the end of it. So I think it's far more reasonable to assume be is 16ish at the time of their first meeting.

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@famousroman said:

@co-boss said:

@famousroman: You can see Gai with the outfit he wore in the academy and Kakashi before he got his headband (never takes it off after getting it besides ANBU stuff) meaning the oneshot has to be while they are at the academy which Kakashi entered the academy at 4 and and can be 4-5 in the oneshot. We also see Obito with no headband, another person that never is seen without theirs after getting it at the academy. Kakashi is 14 years older than Naruto, and since Minato is 24 years old when he dies (same night Naruto is born) Minato is 10 years older than Kakashi. So, Minato is likely to be 14-15 in the oneshot. He looks older but its the only age that can make sense from what we see.

I did some cuik mafs for we the gang, so we can get some ages down. First the general info, the root, where we start from:

Bee is scouted by the Raikage when he seems to be about 5 years old. Kakashi supposedly entered the Academy when he was 5 years old. Kakashi was promoted, at the start of the war, when he was 12 to the rank of jonin. At that same time, Obito was 13 years old, and by the end of Shippuden, Obito is 31 years old, and so is Kakashi. Minato died at the age of 24 when Naruto was born. At the start of the series, Naruto is 12 years old, and the third world war in the Naruto Universe started more than 10 years prior to that. The war ended before Minato died, so before he was 24 years old. Kakashi by the start of Naruto he was 26. By the time of Naruto Shippuden, Naruto is 15 years old. By the start of Shippuden Kakashi is 29 years old. By the middle of Shippuden, the 4th Raikage is 47 years old, and Killer Bee is 36, and at the point in which they are this old, Naruto is 16 years old.

So by the time of Obito's attack, Minato's death, and Naruto's birth:

Minato is 24, Kakashi would be 14, Obito would be 15, Ay would be 31, and Bee would be 20.

By the Obito Gaiden story:

Obito is 13, Kakashi is 12, Minato would be 22, Ay would be 29, and Bee would be 18.

By the one shot, in which Kakashi, Obito, and Guy are seen as 'Academeers':

Kakashi is older than 5, Obito is likely 6, Minato would be around 15 (got his hands on FTG already somehow and has deep, intricate, secret Uzumaki clan seal knowledge and mastery, idk and idc), Ay would be around 22, and Bee would be around 11.

I mean the math is fine, but Minato and Bee didn't fight until the third ninja war so I don't really know how you would claim that minato was getting matched by an 11 year old B when he was at least 16+.

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#8  Edited By Co-Boss

@famousroman: You can see Gai with the outfit he wore in the academy and Kakashi before he got his headband (never takes it off after getting it besides ANBU stuff) meaning the oneshot has to be while they are at the academy which Kakashi entered the academy at 4 and and can be 4-5 in the oneshot. We also see Obito with no headband, another person that never is seen without theirs after getting it at the academy. Kakashi is 14 years older than Naruto, and since Minato is 24 years old when he dies (same night Naruto is born) Minato is 10 years older than Kakashi. So, Minato is likely to be 14-15 in the oneshot. He looks older but its the only age that can make sense from what we see.

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The new one shot shows that the first ever rasengan used for combat was able to at least halt a bijuu bomb. Even if this was a weakened bijuu bomb, that level ap from a 14 y/o Minato who still had not really began to work on making it stronger makes it fairly clear he is going to be one shotting any pain with a rasengan. And I didn't really think it was a ever a debate that Minato was faster than Pain, he has shown to be faster than some of the clear cut fastest people in the universe with out pacing both Obito and Raikage (who was pretty much in awe in the speed of minato.)

Minato will be able to figure out everything everyone else deduced about Pain pretty much right into the fight. The guy worked out how the dang Kamui worked after seeing it twice and has shown to be one of the best tacticians in the verse every time he appeared on panel. This is his fight to lose to be honest.

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yeah with only base form he's stopping at 7